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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:50 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | greenfrog wrote: |
I think he's worth it in the same way Pau Gasol was worth it. You just need to add the #1 guy. |
Gasol led the Grizzlies to 3 playoff appearances. That's why he was a legit number 2. . |
In Pau's five years with Memphis, they made the playoffs three times, and got shut out 0-4 each time. For me, your justification for why he was "a legit number 2" is random and uncompelling. |
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Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
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yinoma2001 wrote: | defense wrote: | Westbrook yes
Love no |
What if signing Love all but guaranteed Russ coming to the Lakers to play together with Love? | Then you do it. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Vancouver Fan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | defense wrote: | Westbrook yes
Love no |
What if signing Love all but guaranteed Russ coming to the Lakers to play together with Love? | Then you do it. |
What we will find out, going from Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom to whatever CRAP we have now, is that we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Rebuilding is painful, and is one part luck too. If Love is the road to Durant (assuming healthy) or Russ, I can see the FO taking that gamble and hoping that Love finally gets to be at a place he wants to be and will thrive. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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laker4life Star Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | defense wrote: | Westbrook yes
Love no |
What if signing Love all but guaranteed Russ coming to the Lakers to play together with Love? |
Westbrook wants to be here, so all we need to do is wait. And put together a team that he would want to join.
Westbrook
D. Green
Carroll
Randle
Towns/Okafor/WCS
A team like that should be able to compete and let Westbrook be the top offensive option. |
I sure hope you are correct on Westbrook wanting to be here.
The way he has been playing lately is very impressive.
The Lakers can definitely build its team around him. |
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Vishnu Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:23 am Post subject: |
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We should get all the UCLA players and trade Nick Young. |
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FreakofNature Star Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Westbrook/Clarkson
Mudiay with 4th/5th pick/D.Carroll FA for 8 mill per/
Randle/D.carroll/Kelly
Love/Cliff Alexander with Rocket pick/Kelly
Robert Upshaw with early 2nd/T.Black
Something within this? Herzonia as a 3 peaks my curiosity too.
Cliff Alexander and Upshaw are "if's, but there is a chance.
Randle at the 3, with short stints at the 4....
Clarkson can be a real nice 6th/7th man along with D.carroll, Clarkson at the 1 and 2, and Carroll at the 2 and 3....
Upshaw can be a true stopper, getting 4.5 blocks in 24 minutes per game at Washington showed that.
I wonder if that team could win rings in 17'> Not sure however, but could certainly contend... |
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Bard207 Star Player
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FreakofNature wrote: | Westbrook/Clarkson
Mudiay with 4th/5th pick/D.Carroll FA for 8 mill per/
Randle/D.carroll/Kelly
Love/Cliff Alexander with Rocket pick/Kelly
Robert Upshaw with early 2nd/T.Black
Something within this? Herzonia as a 3 peaks my curiosity too.
Cliff Alexander and Upshaw are "if's, but there is a chance.
Randle at the 3, with short stints at the 4....
Clarkson can be a real nice 6th/7th man along with D.carroll, Clarkson at the 1 and 2, and Carroll at the 2 and 3....
Upshaw can be a true stopper, getting 4.5 blocks in 24 minutes per game at Washington showed that.
I wonder if that team could win rings in 17'> Not sure however, but could certainly contend... |
Some risk involved with that roster since a few people see Caution Lights flashing for both Love and Upshaw. |
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jankobe Starting Rotation
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Kobe
Westbrook
Clarkson
Randle
Towns/Okafor
Ed Davis
Wes
Tarik
Ellington
Jabari Brown
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32 Retired Number
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Westbrook today at Indiana 54 points, 9 rebounds and 8 assists. Do it Mitch! _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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K0BEE 2.0 Franchise Player
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I say the lakers pull the trigger if a top 5 pick and randle and Clarkson is all it takes to get westbrook. |
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dmorans1 Franchise Player
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K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | I say the lakers pull the trigger if a top 5 pick and randle and Clarkson is all it takes to get westbrook. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Westbrook is a man on a mission.
DO IT MITCH! |
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32 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Might have to throw in Hill or Young to make the salaries work in a trade. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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32 wrote: | Might have to throw in Hill or Young to make the salaries work in a trade. |
I'm sure no one here will care |
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MJST Retired Number
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By the time Westbrook got here he'd be 29 and about to exit his prime on top of the fact that the majority of his game is based upon his athleticism and already has had multiple knee surgeries.
Pass. What he's doing for OKC now or for the next year could likely be his swan song. We've seen it before, and it isn't exactly leading them to many wins.
You want to see someone doing it on EVERY level on BOTH sides of the floor while leading his team to wins watch Anthony Davis.
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Potato-Mania Star Player
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MJST wrote: | By the time Westbrook got here he'd be 28 and about to exit his prime on top of the fact that the majority of his game is based upon his athleticism and already has had multiple knee surgeries.
Pass. What he's doing for OKC now or for the next year could likely be his swan song. We've seen it before, and it isn't exactly leading them to many wins.
You want to see someone doing it on EVERY level on BOTH sides of the floor while leading his team to wins watch Anthony Davis. |
In his defense the Thunder also have Serge out and are a complete new team since the trade deadline. I think they easily beat the Peilcans out for the 8 seed if they have a healthy Serge plying. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Potato-Mania wrote: | MJST wrote: | By the time Westbrook got here he'd be 28 and about to exit his prime on top of the fact that the majority of his game is based upon his athleticism and already has had multiple knee surgeries.
Pass. What he's doing for OKC now or for the next year could likely be his swan song. We've seen it before, and it isn't exactly leading them to many wins.
You want to see someone doing it on EVERY level on BOTH sides of the floor while leading his team to wins watch Anthony Davis. |
In his defense the Thunder also have Serge out and are a complete new team since the trade deadline. I think they easily beat the Peilcans out for the 8 seed if they have a healthy Serge plying. |
because of how the Thunder build, and being cheap with Jeff Green and Harden they are always "one turned ankle" away from being an irrelevant team in the West. Or at least not a finals contender.
What Westbrook is doing right now is amazing.. but his body can't keep this up for two more seasons and expect the same Westbrook to arrive here.
I would rather develop Clarkson through those years as well and keep him around. Because it would take more than Kobe, Westbrook and a Top 5 pick to get us anywhere and I'm not trading our top 5 pick AND Clarkson for a guy that's gonna be a UFA in 2 seasons.
2 seasons of DEVELOPMENT time for both Clarkson and Randle and hopefully our Top 5 pick. You are a MUCH MORE potent destination if you do that.
What would be the point of getting Westbrook right now? Think about that for a moment.
Is he leading us to a championship with the current roster? No. Is he the missing Championship piece that would take us over the top right now? NO!
he isn't taking us anywhere as we currently stand. All you'd be doing is watching Westbrook carry this team through bad season after bad season till his legs are finally shot within the next 2-3 years.
YOU make the move for Westbrook if you already have a roster that just needs him to take them over the top.
It would make sense for the Mavs to offer draft picks, Monta Ellis and Rajon Rondo for Westbrook. THAT would make sense.
It would make sense for the Clippers to offer Chris Paul for Westbrook.
It would make sense for the Grizzlies to offer Conley and Zbo for Westbrook.
It makes NO SENSE for the Lakers to send Randle, Clarkson and a Top 5 pick or ANY of those to OKC for Westbrook. Because we aren't winning a championship, stripping down this roster and just bringing him on board.
IF you want Westbrook then wouldn't be a better idea to develop Randle, Clarkson and our Top 5 pick over the next 2 seasons and hope they are ready to beast in the league and THEN add Westbrook to that team? and after the cap jump not only maxing him but another player as well?
Wouldn't it be better to have a team of
Jordan Clarkson
Russell Westbrook
Justise Winslow
Julius Randle
Deandre Jordan
After developing and watching Clarkson, Winslow and Randle grow and be ready to take the league by storm? (It usually takes 2-4 years for a prospect to start really playing at that HIGH level consistently to who they will become). So Randle, Clarkson and Winslow about to hit their primes while having Westbrook on the team makes more sense don't you think?
Isn't that a better idea over unloading all the talent we're about to develop for a guy who's a free agent in 2 seasons? |
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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If the Thunder are willing to do #4 or #5 pick + Clarkson or Randle for Westbrook then you do it.
You want a megastar ... Westbrook is on the cusp. He does his 25+ pts 7+ reb 7+ ast in LA and he's going to be HUGE. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | If the Thunder are willing to do #4 or #5 pick + Clarkson or Randle for Westbrook then you do it.
You want a megastar ... Westbrook is on the cusp. He does his 25+ pts 7+ reb 7+ ast in LA and he's going to be HUGE. |
it would be pointless. Because you're doing nothing for two straight years but having the name "Russell Westbrook" on your flyers. The team doesn't go anywhere. And by the time you built something to go somewhere 3-4 years down the line Westbrook is pushing 30, and isn't the same guy you wanted. Or the Westbrook you wanted him to be by the time you built something.
IF it's gonna take 3-4 years to rebuild something (Westbrook or no Westbrook) then why not just develop Clarkson, Randle and the Top 5 pick for those 3 years and then land Westbrook in free agency. That's your better chance of "instant gratification" after landing Westbrook. |
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BennyLava Star Player
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The lakers have to rebuild, and do it systematically. This old adage of the lakers don't rebuild, they reload is no longer true.
That made sense when you had a permanent generational player on the team, we still have to find that player, and it is looking more likely that that player will have to come from the draft or will only happen a few years from now. |
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If we land #1 or 2. Towns or Okafor with Clarkson / Randle >>>> Westbrook and it's not even funny. |
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K0BEE 2.0 wrote: | I say the lakers pull the trigger if a top 5 pick and randle and Clarkson is all it takes to get westbrook. |
And then Westbrook goes to a team that wins 20 games for two seasons and leaves as a FA? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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MJST wrote: | By the time Westbrook got here he'd be 29 and about to exit his prime on top of the fact that the majority of his game is based upon his athleticism and already has had multiple knee surgeries.
Pass. What he's doing for OKC now or for the next year could likely be his swan song. We've seen it before, and it isn't exactly leading them to many wins.
You want to see someone doing it on EVERY level on BOTH sides of the floor while leading his team to wins watch Anthony Davis. |
The word is in his prime, not exiting his prime. At 29 he should have another good 4-5 years in him. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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MJST Retired Number
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venturalakersfan wrote: | MJST wrote: | By the time Westbrook got here he'd be 29 and about to exit his prime on top of the fact that the majority of his game is based upon his athleticism and already has had multiple knee surgeries.
Pass. What he's doing for OKC now or for the next year could likely be his swan song. We've seen it before, and it isn't exactly leading them to many wins.
You want to see someone doing it on EVERY level on BOTH sides of the floor while leading his team to wins watch Anthony Davis. |
The word is in his prime, not exiting his prime. At 29 he should have another good 4-5 years in him. |
Given the way he plays, not likely. Unless he does what Kobe did and start angling his game around fundamentals, and things he can depend on once his athleticism wanes. I don't see that happening. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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venturalakersfan wrote: | MJST wrote: | By the time Westbrook got here he'd be 29 and about to exit his prime on top of the fact that the majority of his game is based upon his athleticism and already has had multiple knee surgeries.
Pass. What he's doing for OKC now or for the next year could likely be his swan song. We've seen it before, and it isn't exactly leading them to many wins.
You want to see someone doing it on EVERY level on BOTH sides of the floor while leading his team to wins watch Anthony Davis. |
The word is in his prime, not exiting his prime. At 29 he should have another good 4-5 years in him. |
That is very optimistic. He's already had a few procedures on his knees. His game is predicated on athleticism. |
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