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| He will become the greatest player to ever put on a lakers jersey |
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| People like to really lay it on thick with the sarcasm in this thread. |
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| danzag wrote: | Solid starter, but I almost voted for "All-Star once or twice".
18/6/6 averages for a good numbers of seasons. |
18/6/6 is very realistic, since becoming a starter I think he's been averaging close to 15ppg and he's just a rookie. Just a little improvement at the 3 ball, getting a couple of foul calls which rookies won't get and 18 is definitely a conservative projection.
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I really like JC but you have to factor in that he's having free reign to do whatever he wants at the moment without playing next to ball-dominant stars and without expectations from the fan-base. That's not to say that he won't go on to develop to greater things but people must put things into perspective. He's taking a lot of shots for a rookie because Kobe is out and we are tanking but he won't be able to do that with Kobe back and when/if we land a top star or two. For a rookie, he's doing great but he's no lights-out shooter and has many shortcomings, as many rookies do.
There's great reason to be optimistic about JC's potential but any mention of being all-star material should be tempered down for the time being. Current production and skill-set shows he's similar to Lin in being a great scoring punch with some TO concerns. A sixth man role on a contending team is where I peg JC at the moment but he could develop into more or regress, depending on how things pan out for him here and what our team will be in the near future. |
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| LinKobe wrote: | I really like JC but you have to factor in that he's having free reign to do whatever he wants at the moment without playing next to ball-dominant stars and without expectations from the fan-base. That's not to say that he won't go on to develop to greater things but people must put things into perspective. He's taking a lot of shots for a rookie because Kobe is out and we are tanking but he won't be able to do that with Kobe back and when/if we land a top star or two. For a rookie, he's doing great but he's no lights-out shooter and has many shortcomings, as many rookies do.
There's great reason to be optimistic about JC's potential but any mention of being all-star material should be tempered down for the time being. Current production and skill-set shows he's similar to Lin in being a great scoring punch with some TO concerns. A sixth man role on a contending team is where I peg JC at the moment but he could develop into more or regress, depending on how things pan out for him here and what our team will be in the near future. |
to be fair, he is getting those points on good efficiency. so there is no reason to take the ball away from him even if we do attract other stars. |
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As far as I'm concerned this is Clarkson and Randle's team moving forward. He'll have the free reign to do what he wants, the ball will be in his hands more then anyone else on the team. I'm not counting on Kobe to play more then half of the games next year, he hasn't been healthy the last three years. So the players we sign in FA will have to adjust to his aggressive attacking playing style.
He's more then just a solid starter. George Hill and Collinson are solid starters. He's much more talented then those players. I think he's just as talented as Teague if not better. He'll make the all star team more then a couple times, especially if he has the free reigns like Westbrook does. |
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| ronnyjeremy wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ronnyjeremy wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ronnyjeremy wrote: | | Mitch needs to send this dude to hawaii starting now till until the season over with. The future is bright for him but if he keeps playing the way he is playing and winds up costing us a top 5 pick he will play the majority of his career with really crappy teams. So think longterm clarkson and slow it down or suffer the consequences. |
You really, really over value that draft pick. Way, way over value. |
Losing that draft pick would put us back for years. Don't know how you can say that draft pick isn't important. |
Well I didn't say that, so? Assuming that Clarkson plays a dozen years, I don't think losing this pick would set us back most of that time. There are other ways to rebuild this team. |
I would agree with you if dumb and dumber weren't running the show. |
You try to have an intelligent discussion and then you get crap like this.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | ronnyjeremy wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | ronnyjeremy wrote: | | Mitch needs to send this dude to hawaii starting now till until the season over with. The future is bright for him but if he keeps playing the way he is playing and winds up costing us a top 5 pick he will play the majority of his career with really crappy teams. So think longterm clarkson and slow it down or suffer the consequences. |
You really, really over value that draft pick. Way, way over value. |
Losing that draft pick would put us back for years. Don't know how you can say that draft pick isn't important. |
Getting that draft pick could put us back for years too.
It's funny. No one was saying these silly things when the season started and Kobe was supposed to lead us to an 8th-ish seed. Don't forget -- we weren't supposed to be in contention for this pick. |
Getting last year's lottery pick was supposed to be the move that propelled us into the future. Now that is ignored, and the fixation on this years pick is on. Thinking that one pick will mean longterm success or failure is desparation.
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| LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
Teams can rebuild with good draft picks in years where good players are available. Winning lottery picks several years in a row and ending up with Derrick Williams, Anthony Bennett, and Thomas Robinson doesn't really help much. |
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Rivershow
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
Teams can rebuild with good draft picks in years where good players are available. Winning lottery picks several years in a row and ending up with Derrick Williams, Anthony Bennett, and Thomas Robinson doesn't really help much. |
That wasn't my point though. VLF made a blanket statement that teams don't win with draft picks, but that's not true. You CAN win with draft picks as long as you're FO knows what it's doing. Just because a team like Cleveland failed many times does not make it a valid argument.
That the lakers were able to hit on their draft picks last year and years before that is more of a proof that getting the chance to get a high draft pick can vastly change the future of the lakers. That's why it's so critical that we indeed secure this years draft pick to hasten the rebuilding. |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
Fielding a good team that isn't championship quality.
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| Dave20 wrote: | | As far as I'm concerned this is Clarkson and Randle's team moving forward. |
You're getting way ahead of yourself. Randle hasn't done a thing in the league yet. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
Fielding a good team that isn't championship quality. |
Even if they don't get a championship, they have assets from the picks they made. And no one knows what would of happened this year if Durant was healthy. |
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I want another team that can win multiple titles, the draft is certainly one way to achieve that. But FAs are much more important.
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| kikanga wrote: | | If the majority of LG voters were NBA GM's. Clarkson would have enough value (packaged with the Houston pick) to land us another lotto pick via trade. |
If a majority of LGers were NBA GM, we'd be attempting to package Ryan Kelly + a 2nd round pick for Lebron. |
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Too soon to say. I went through the Linsanity craze where he looked incredible and then things happened where we saw holes in his game. Clarkson is doing very, very well but what happens when he is scouted and targeted, will he remain healthy, will he play differently with Kobe if he is a starter? It all remains to be seen.
I can't answer this poll. Clarkson is a nice story. Wait and see on the future, it's too early to say. |
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| Inverse wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | | If TP was 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan Popovich would have never traded George Hill and he would've played SG |
The thing is, you are trying to force Clarkson into a role before we even see his potential. I say let him develop, if he goes the SG route that's fine but if he continues to develop into a pg that can help the team succeed that's also good. |
I'm not trying to force him into that...I just saw how he played when he played with a PG in the lineup like Jeremy Lin. He seemed more natural at the 2. But agreed, we'll let time decide where he's better suited |
I think that's telling. When Lin is on the court, Clarkson looks like a 2, alt 1, a combo guard. But his mindset looks like a 2. I don't think he plays like Parker at all. I think he's more Westbrook lite. I think Nash is helping him a lot so he's doing better with assists. But numbers don't tell the whole story. Watching Clarkson I think scorer, watching other PGs, like Lin, I think playmaker, facilitator that can score. When I see Price I see facilitator/defender that is a poor scorer. |
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| I think he can have a very similar impact to Monta Ellis. I hope i'm right, cause that would be really great |
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| Honestly, I just hope he keeps up his current level of play for next year also. I don't think he'll ever be an all star. But my hope is that he'll be a reliable/consistent rotational player for the next 5-6 yrs. |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
Gotta agree with VLF on this one. Trades/FA are dealing in known quantities.
Also, consider using the Spurs next time as an example. Citing OKC shows nothing at all. I don't think VLF meant that it is impossible to build via draft but rather, a lot more difficult and I tend to agree. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
Peace. |
Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
Gotta agree with VLF on this one. Trades/FA are dealing in known quantities.
Also, consider using the Spurs next time as an example. Citing OKC shows nothing at all. I don't think VLF meant that it is impossible to build via draft but rather, a lot more difficult and I tend to agree. |
What I meant with my post was that even if you don't get a championship, you get assets which can be traded for. You can't trade for players without getting a draft pick that is actually worth something. So draft picks while not being the entirety of what entails to building a championship team, is a part of the necessary building blocks. |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerEric wrote: | They have been eliminated from playoff contention and the next possible way to improve the team is through the draft. We lose the pick if we are not bottom 5. Clarkson can play and gain valuable experience during this stretch. Clarkson can can have a full offseason to work even more on his game. It's sad that a ton of you can not and will not see that losing is imperative in improving the franchise adding another stud along with Randle and maybe Clarkson (if he has it in him to be productive in games that count in a winning atmosphere). If we had no worries about top 5 protection (Mitch's fault on trusting the health of a late 30s PG) then you still get a top 10 young player who could be a star or a productive, young role player over time. This is what the tankers are livid about and any of you arguing this are beyond reason.
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Adding a veteran with proven experience is greater than adding a rookie who has none and could wash out. Ideally you get both, but teams don't rebuild with draft picks. |
Teams don't rebuild with draft picks? Then what do you call what OKC was able to do with Durant, Westbrook and Harden? |
Gotta agree with VLF on this one. Trades/FA are dealing in known quantities.
Also, consider using the Spurs next time as an example. Citing OKC shows nothing at all. I don't think VLF meant that it is impossible to build via draft but rather, a lot more difficult and I tend to agree. |
What I meant with my post was that even if you don't get a championship, you get assets which can be traded for. You can't trade for players without getting a draft pick that is actually worth something. So draft picks while not being the entirety of what entails to building a championship team, is a part of the necessary building blocks. |
They won't be assets if they don't pan out. See Johnson, Wesley. |
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