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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:23 pm    Post subject:

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1. The comparisons against Wall and Russell don't compute athletically. They showed in HS, but not in China. Don't care how many games. He should be out speeding everyone. He isn't.

2. He has elite size at PG. So does DeAngelo Russell. One can argue, Dunn is up there too. They all have 6'3"+ height and 6'8"+ wingspans.

3. Dunn, Mudiay, and Russell are all shifty, so it depends on what you want. If you want quickness/speed, it's Dunn of the three. If you want the strongest with body control, it's Mudiay. If you want flat out PG IQ, it's Russell.

4. Passing. Dunn has the 50% assist rate. Yes, it comes with 4 turnovers, but he's not exactly loaded with teammates from Kentucky. Mudiay had a target or two in China. Russell is by himself. All of them are near 2:1 A/TO ratios. Russell is the guy who shows the best ability to pass. Dunn is flat out playmaking. Mudiay is just making the simple plays.

5. Age. Honestly, don't even care if Dunn is a junior. Those are polished skills in terms of PnR play, playmaking, pull up on the mid-range, and ball anticipation. Mudiay can get to that point. Russell is flat out elite with passing in halfcourt and transition situations. It's the ability to finish and athleticism that are question marks; of course this has me leaning to Dunn still.

6. Who has more feel for the game than Russell? He's making the tough plays. Dunn has the 50% assist rate. There are quantifiable statistics and things seen on the floor that show feel. How does Mudiay have more?

7. Honestly, not knocking the guy. This is a different draft class; Top heavy, talented through 13 picks, and dies out by the end of the 1st round. In any other draft, Mudiay is easily 1 or 2, but when Towns, Russell, and Okafor have proven more against competition with more effort, it's Mudiay that slips.


#3 on your list is the heart of our difference in preference. I like Russell a lot too. I really do. I just feel that a physical leader at a given position is a huge advantage. And that's the biggest difference between Mudiay & Russell. Russell's slight and will probably always be. So, IMO, he has to become a shooter, which is fine.

But on the other hand, guys with the physical advantage at ANY given position can attack EVERY team where it hurts: in the lane, where they can get to the line or get bigs in trouble. Mudiay, IMO, fits into that latter category: from day one, no one, even Westbrook, Wall, or any of the bigger PG's, will be able to keep him out of the lane. And shame on a little PG in his way. HUGE advantage. Even if Eric Bledsoe, with his current skill set (& I think Mudiay is a better true PG than Bledsoe is), would be an absolute BEAST at 6'5" 200+


Agreed. But that's why I like Dunn so much. He's the combination of Mudiay and Russell. But there's less than a handlful of us see it that way.

What if I said the Lakers already had a beast of a PG with elite finishing in the paint right now?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:09 am    Post subject:

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No but he has all star written all over him, which is more than I can say for Greek Freak.

And certainly much more than Mudiay.


I disagree.

Winslow is everything you want in a role player/wing, not as a playmaker.

You don't think Greek Freak would give Winslow fits on both ends of the floor?


Nope. I completely disagree.

Winslow is strong, has motor, can do pretty much everything well on offense besides ball handling, which can easily be fixed. You're thinking of Stanley Johnson, not Winslow.

Greak Freak doesn't matter to me. He's not on the Lakers, he's not a free agent nor will he be for a very long time, and Bucks aren't going to trade him. So whether he would give fits to Winlsow in his rookie year is not a concern.


Winslow can't create his own shot unless it's transition.

Ball handling isn't easily fixed. At least he has the Euro step, far more advanced than Johnson.

That's a 3rd option on offense.



Same can be said of Greek Freak to an extent because of his inability to change direction consistently. That doesn't mean he's bad, it just means he won't be a dominant scorer people think or thought he would. He will always be a 'role player' as well and definitely isn't Lamar either.

to me he's a guy that will be a role player that will benefit the most when he has two people on the team better than he is in their primes when he's in his.

Was supposed to be Jabari and Knight.. now it just may wind up being Jabari.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:11 am    Post subject:

And I think the Lakers have their point guard in Clarkson. They could have their shooting guard with Russell after a year backing up Kobe or at least half a season before Kobe moved over to the 3 unless the Lakers landed Tobias Harris.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:34 am    Post subject:

Mike laid it out perfectly.

Also...

Mudiay may not be done growing since his father and brothers are taller than he is. Could stop around 6'6-6'7. That's a mismatch nightmare at pg and also negates the fact that he's not as athletic as Westbrook or wall.

Imagine trying to gameplan for a 6-7 215 true PG with a 6'10 wingspan. However, it's a huge gamble because he may not continue to grow and what we saw in China may be all there is to him.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:42 pm    Post subject:

Not sure where I read it, and maybe someone can confirm it, but I heard the Mudiay was injured in China. Maybe an ankle sprain. He also only played in something like 10-12 games or so.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:11 pm    Post subject:

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Not sure where I read it, and maybe someone can confirm it, but I heard the Mudiay was injured in China. Maybe an ankle sprain. He also only played in something like 10-12 games or so.


Ankle issue is true.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:22 pm    Post subject:

From the NY Post

Warriors consultant Jerry West watched Mudiay at a private workout Wednesday in LA.

“He gave him some big compliments, and Mudiay’s confidence is sky-high from it,” Martin said.

Below: Evaluation from a "slightly" less reliable judge of talent, Stephon Marbury.



The Dallas product also has earned rave reviews from Stephon Marbury, who plays in China. Mudiay nearly attended SMU but reneged on the offer in order to go to China.

“He’s a kid who is going to be really good, has a big upside,’’ Marbury told The Post. “He’s got real potential, started at 18. He can play at a high level. It’s about the people around [him], and who he surrounds himself with is important to what goes on in his career.’’
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:42 pm    Post subject:

Scherm wrote:
From the NY Post

Warriors consultant Jerry West watched Mudiay at a private workout Wednesday in LA.

“He gave him some big compliments, and Mudiay’s confidence is sky-high from it,” Martin said.

Below: Evaluation from a "slightly" less reliable judge of talent, Stephon Marbury.



The Dallas product also has earned rave reviews from Stephon Marbury, who plays in China. Mudiay nearly attended SMU but reneged on the offer in order to go to China.

“He’s a kid who is going to be really good, has a big upside,’’ Marbury told The Post. “He’s got real potential, started at 18. He can play at a high level. It’s about the people around [him], and who he surrounds himself with is important to what goes on in his career.’’


I value West's opinion. Maybe he's seen something we haven't seen on the basketball floor.

Even then, he's still more raw compared to other 1 year PGs. I can appreciate that he worked on his shot and muscled up.. but I need to see it on the floor.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:55 pm    Post subject:

I'd prefer to hear West's comments directly, rather than "West gave him compliments" from Mudiay's agent, lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:00 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Scherm wrote:
From the NY Post

Warriors consultant Jerry West watched Mudiay at a private workout Wednesday in LA.

“He gave him some big compliments, and Mudiay’s confidence is sky-high from it,” Martin said.

Below: Evaluation from a "slightly" less reliable judge of talent, Stephon Marbury.



The Dallas product also has earned rave reviews from Stephon Marbury, who plays in China. Mudiay nearly attended SMU but reneged on the offer in order to go to China.

“He’s a kid who is going to be really good, has a big upside,’’ Marbury told The Post. “He’s got real potential, started at 18. He can play at a high level. It’s about the people around [him], and who he surrounds himself with is important to what goes on in his career.’’


I value West's opinion. Maybe he's seen something we haven't seen on the basketball floor.

Even then, he's still more raw compared to other 1 year PGs. I can appreciate that he worked on his shot and muscled up.. but I need to see it on the floor.


this. most guards can shoot the rock unguarded in a workout
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:55 am    Post subject:

Mudiay's shot is not convincing. His mechanics are all over the place. His mechanics are less consistent than Iman Shumpert's who's always had a notoriously low FG%.

I see him as a cross between Jrue Holiday and Iman Shumpert.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:10 am    Post subject:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1692160

https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/home.sbk?categoryId=589
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:02 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1692160

https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/home.sbk?categoryId=589


He's certainly gonna get a ton of minutes. Their other guards are Jameer Nelson, Randy Foye, & Gary Harris.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:59 pm    Post subject:

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kikanga wrote:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1692160

https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/home.sbk?categoryId=589


He's certainly gonna get a ton of minutes. Their other guards are Jameer Nelson, Randy Foye, & Gary Harris.


I've seen you post some nice things about Mudiay lately.
Loved your write up on summer league. Great job!

It's funny, I was so adamant about us drafting Mudiay.
But his situation in Denver is better than it would've been here.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
kikanga wrote:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1692160

https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/home.sbk?categoryId=589


He's certainly gonna get a ton of minutes. Their other guards are Jameer Nelson, Randy Foye, & Gary Harris.


I've seen you post some nice things about Mudiay lately.
Loved your write up on summer league. Great job!

It's funny, I was so adamant about us drafting Mudiay.
But his situation in Denver is better than it would've been here.


I never hated Mudiay. I really just railed against the idea that was some supreme athlete in the Rose/Westbrook/Wall mold. He's clearly not that.

That said, what I'm saying here is that he's going to have a ton of opportunity, not really a commentary on his game. Not only are the other guards on Denver weak, but he and Nelson are the only guys that can even handle the ball. Foye & Harris are mostly just shooters. He's gonna get a ton of minutes and have the ball in his hands when he does.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:26 pm    Post subject:

I can see him having an Evans rookie season. Although, whether you think that is a good or bad thing depends on your perspective though, since Evans rookie year turned out to be a lot of stat stuffing.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:17 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
kikanga wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
kikanga wrote:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1692160

https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/home.sbk?categoryId=589


He's certainly gonna get a ton of minutes. Their other guards are Jameer Nelson, Randy Foye, & Gary Harris.


I've seen you post some nice things about Mudiay lately.
Loved your write up on summer league. Great job!

It's funny, I was so adamant about us drafting Mudiay.
But his situation in Denver is better than it would've been here.


I never hated Mudiay. I really just railed against the idea that was some supreme athlete in the Rose/Westbrook/Wall mold. He's clearly not that.

That said, what I'm saying here is that he's going to have a ton of opportunity, not really a commentary on his game. Not only are the other guards on Denver weak, but he and Nelson are the only guys that can even handle the ball. Foye & Harris are mostly just shooters. He's gonna get a ton of minutes and have the ball in his hands when he does.


ROY is his award to lose.
The mixture of physical development, court vision, and opportunity in Denver should give him a good start to his career.
The young teammates he played with in summer league and his coach have a ton of confidence in him. For better or worse.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:28 pm    Post subject:

the potential is there to be something special at PG someday.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:03 am    Post subject:

https://youtu.be/YFHCqw5PKIc
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:29 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
https://youtu.be/YFHCqw5PKIc


The passing was never the question mark. It was more along the lines of:

1. Jumpshot.
2. Explosiveness (in terms of vert instead of strength) at the hoop.
3. Ability to run more complex offensive sets.

If we want to compare to Russell, Russell actually passes ahead of where his teammates are either in stride or where their hands should be to receive the ball.

That kind of talent cannot be taught.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:52 am    Post subject:

http://www.slamonline.com/kicks/under-armour-basketball-mudiay/#RJC5gduVDDbZkZxU.97
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:46 am    Post subject:

Insane talent...
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