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So, A.D.'s game. He doesn't have that killer instinct, and it annoys me. Today the Pelicans were down by 8-10 vs HOU with 5 minutes left in the 4th, a huge game for their playoff chances- and A.D. touched the ball maybe once in the last 5 minutes. What in the hell? No seriously, that's an issue, and I'm only guna put a small part of the blame on his teammates. He's the undisputed best player on that team, with clout as a top 5 player in the league - you don't think if he says a couple words to his teammates that he's getting the ball? They absolutely would have gave him the ball, and Monte Williams wants him to get the ball too. Always talks about it.
So the Pels have a coach that the players don't listen to, and a shy superstar talent.
I have no doubt that A.D.'s game and skills will progress, you can see where it will go - jumpers off the dribble, fadeaways in the post, dribble moves. He's shown flashes, and I'm confident his game will improve to an unprecidented level - but mentally, where is he? Today was a huge game and he stood around , didn't even call for the ball.
Also, is New Orleans an underrated city to attract free agents? Isn't it a cool city where guys will potentially want to go?
the name "Pelicans" is so horrible tho. |
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New Orleans is a great town for tourists, but otherwise it is a dump. The French Quarter is a lot of fun, but the rest of the town is sort of like a southern version of Detroit. The gap between rich and poor is about as great as you would find anywhere in the US. It's actually better after Katrina, because a lot of the riff raff left for other places, and a lot of the bad areas are getting redeveloped. Still, Baton Rouge has been exploding as a lot of people and businesses get out of New Orleans.
I don't know how NBA players perceive it, but the only NBA cities that would rank lower on my personal list are Detroit, Milwaukee, and maybe Salt Lake City. |
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So, A.D.'s game. He doesn't have that killer instinct, and it annoys me. |
I suppose we've all got problems. |
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Davis could certainly use some help, roster improvement. Coaching change might be in order, too.
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: |
So, A.D.'s game. He doesn't have that killer instinct, and it annoys me. |
I suppose we've all got problems. |
Are you suggesting that I'm an idiot? 😂😂😂😂 |
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My view is that AD's style of play is probably always going to disappoint to some degree. I just don't see the ferocious sense of urgency in his game thus far ...
That said, I'm a huge fan of New Orleans. It's true that the socioeconomic landscape has remained an unmitigated disaster in the Big Easy in the years since Katrina. But personally, I loved the time I spent in NOLA when I had a place in the warehouse district during my (now-)wife's grad. school odyssey. Maybe it's me, but I still love that city.
LAX or SAN to MSY 2 - 3x each month and some of the best memories of my life ...
You have to check out Sacramento, Oakland and Orlando, AH ...
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| nevitt_smrek wrote: | | Davis could certainly use some help, roster improvement. Coaching change might be in order, too. |
I guess they would win 50 games in the east so maybe I should cut Davis and the Pels some slack.. Davis Tyreke and Anderson are probably the only guys that they should keep.
Do you think their defense would have been legendary enough to get them in the playoffs in the west if they had kept Noel? |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | New Orleans is a great town for tourists, but otherwise it is a dump. The French Quarter is a lot of fun, but the rest of the town is sort of like a southern version of Detroit. The gap between rich and poor is about as great as you would find anywhere in the US. It's actually better after Katrina, because a lot of the riff raff left for other places, and a lot of the bad areas are getting redeveloped. Still, Baton Rouge has been exploding as a lot of people and businesses get out of New Orleans.
I don't know how NBA players perceive it, but the only NBA cities that would rank lower on my personal list are Detroit, Milwaukee, and maybe Salt Lake City. |
Cleveland would like to have a word with you
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| Nope. I would choose to live in Cleveland over New Orleans. |
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Many players in that roster are losers...
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Anthony Davis is a modern motion offense player, it's what he was through college, it's what he is in the pros, but the motion offense needs a guard to run it, so he'll always be limited somewhat (or unleashed with the right team mate) by the guard play. It wasn't a coincidence that his dominant stretches in the world cup coincided with harden running that offense and waned with anyone else.
As for New Orleans attracting free agents, after kobe in '04, what big name player even went to free agency until '10 at which point Paul wanted out, so it's not like they even had a chance. If their front office would stop acting like retards they finally have a player that might bring someone else in.
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| Telleris wrote: | Anthony Davis is a modern motion offense player, it's what he was through college, it's what he is in the pros, but the motion offense needs a guard to run it, so he'll always be limited somewhat (or unleashed with the right team mate) by the guard play. It wasn't a coincidence that his dominant stretches in the world cup coincided with harden running that offense and waned with anyone else.
As for New Orleans attracting free agents, after kobe in '04, what big name player even went to free agency until '10 at which point Paul wanted out, so it's not like they even had a chance. If their front office would stop acting like retards they finally have a player that might bring someone else in. |
He does get a lot of baskets set up for him. Simple pick n pop, and pick n roll dink and dunk. But he's developed a legit ISO game. Well, his skill is a bit overrated but you still get the jab step jumpers and triple threat blow by's. No dribble moves, maybe a stepback jumper a game. He does get set up a lot, but his ISO game is legit ; simple but legit. And I expect it to improve. |
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| We're criticizing a kid that is probably having the greatest season for a 21 year old ever? |
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Should have said arguably instead of probably.
I'd take Anthony Davis's numbers over Jordan's rookie year numbers.
Magic only played 37 games so he's not in the conversation.
I would take 21 year old Shaq's numbers over 21 year old AD's numbers.
Lebron played 6.5 more minutes per game at 21 than AD does. AD's Per 36 minutes numbers beats out Lebron. |
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| If you don't score 25+ ppg going iso mode you cant be a top 3 player says some of LG. Ignore defense, passing and general team play and attitude. |
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| kaoss128 wrote: |
Should have said arguably instead of probably.
I'd take Anthony Davis's numbers over Jordan's rookie year numbers.
Magic only played 37 games so he's not in the conversation.
I would take 21 year old Shaq's numbers over 21 year old AD's numbers.
Lebron played 6.5 more minutes per game at 21 than AD does. AD's Per 36 minutes numbers beats out Lebron. |
To each his own ...
I wouldn't take AD's 2015 season over any of those others at 21 years old ... including Magic's partial season. Incidentally, AD's partial season THIS year and his sustained inability to play a full season thus far OR average over 36 mi. per game when he has played is concerning to me ... |
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| kaoss128 wrote: | | We're criticizing a kid that is probably having the greatest season for a 21 year old ever? |
Whatever I would never trade Clarkson & Randle for the BROW. j/k .. I'm sure LG wouldn't but I would do the trade. 
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| the association wrote: | | kaoss128 wrote: |
Should have said arguably instead of probably.
I'd take Anthony Davis's numbers over Jordan's rookie year numbers.
Magic only played 37 games so he's not in the conversation.
I would take 21 year old Shaq's numbers over 21 year old AD's numbers.
Lebron played 6.5 more minutes per game at 21 than AD does. AD's Per 36 minutes numbers beats out Lebron. |
To each his own ...
I wouldn't take AD's 2015 season over any of those others at 21 years old ... including Magic's partial season. Incidentally, AD's partial season THIS year and his sustained inability to play a full season thus far OR average over 36 mi. per game when he has played is concerning to me ... |
That's just ridiculous. That Laker bias is getting to you. |
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Davis is insanely good. Looked a bit nervous for most of his first playoff game, but shrugged off the jitters to finish. We're only scratching the surface.
Other players: Pondexter is an asset, a Horry/Posey type of roleplayer. Asik looks useless. Many key players have suffered injuries, including Davis himself. They did well w/o Davis, which was surprising. So they have some nice pieces.
Aside from the bad health, their biggest problem looks to be coaching. A new coach would take this team to the next level. Budenholzer would work his magic with this squad. Pels need to find their guy the way the Hawks have found theirs.
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| nevitt_smrek wrote: | | Davis could certainly use some help, roster improvement. Coaching change might be in order, too. |
They don't stand a chance against Golden State with that roster. Theres only so much Anthony Davis can do by himself. The fact that they made the playoffs this year should be a step up and will only serve to better that team all around. It will be a learning experience for the team. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | nevitt_smrek wrote: | | Davis could certainly use some help, roster improvement. Coaching change might be in order, too. |
They don't stand a chance against Golden State with that roster. Theres only so much Anthony Davis can do by himself. The fact that they made the playoffs this year should be a step up and will only serve to better that team all around. It will be a learning experience for the team. |
I would advise him to join a team that will have guys named Clarkson, Randle, Ed Davis, Tarik Black, and hopefully one of the top 5 lotto selections of 2015. 
Seriously, you're right - this will be a nice learning experience. And you never know what might happen. Pels would have a decent chance of pulling off an upset if something happens to Bogut.
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The hate on Davis is ridiculous. He's been argurably the best player in the league. He's not just an athletic freak, but supremely skilled. Can shoot the 15 footer, fadeaways, improved post game, and is just a match up nightmare. Defensively especially with his length and athleticism is just a terror to try to score against.
New Orleans just doesn't have the talent to compete with the Dubs. They're outmatched at every position besides the 4 spot. Monta Williams is a terrible head coach as well. It took him three and a half quarters before he starting playing through AD in the post and he kept playing Asik against Bogut even though he clearly couldn't handle him.
They need to start Anderson at the 4 to space the floor better and put Asik on the bench where he belongs. Gives AD more room to operate as well as take Green off him where he can work on Bogut and take advantage of his speed and quickness.
That's their only shot at even making it a series, but overall their roster isn't impressive outside of Davis. Tyreke has been a bust since his rookie season. They need to get a point guard with playmaking skills and can't be disregarded because of a lack of a shot. Gordon's knees are basically shot. At this point he's a role player. Asik is soft and has clearly shown he's a backup center at best in this league. |
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| Honestly I would trade anyone on the Lakers to get Davis and then build around him. Isn't he 21? |
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