If The Lakers Land A Top Two Pick
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> Trade and Free Agency Discussion Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
kaoss128
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 09 Apr 2006
Posts: 13058
Location: Morgantown, WV

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:45 am    Post subject: If The Lakers Land A Top Two Pick

Would you rather trade it for Demarcus Cousins and pay him 15 mil a year or keep the pick and use the cap space on another player?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lakerguy3
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Posts: 207

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:47 am    Post subject:

I think Okafor or Towns . I love Cousins game, but that money being spent elsewhere would be my choice.
_________________
"The NBA On NBC" Circa late 1990's
Bill Walton- "it's time for Dennis Rodman to take over this game offensively"
Snapper Jones- "HOW!!!!????"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
22
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 05 Apr 2013
Posts: 17063

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:47 am    Post subject:

We already have some threads discussing this broski

Check like the last 5 pages or so of the FA thread.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
Legacy
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 17 Sep 2005
Posts: 7054
Location: So. Californ-I-A

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:54 am    Post subject:

This really is a no brainer. It shouldn't even be a question.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Nightwalker
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 09 May 2013
Posts: 2739

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:54 am    Post subject:

Tough one... I would keep the pick draft either one of the following at #2 pick Okafor, Russell, or Towns and continue the youth movement since we are still really far away from being a contender out West this is process that will take some time. Demarcus Cousins is a great talent and player but a total headcase with bad attitude problem and bad work ethic so I've heard. Cousins has never made playoffs or had .500% record his whole career not sold on him being franchise #1 guy for championship caliber team. I would pass thanks, but no thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Vin
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 03 Jan 2013
Posts: 6005
Location: France

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:04 am    Post subject:

Cousins is only 24... Wow.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
KobeRe-Loaded
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Posts: 14944

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:07 am    Post subject:

Tough decision but I would keep the pick since having an extra $10M of cap space would help the team.
_________________
#11/08/16 America became GREAT again
#Avatar-gate
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Mike@LG
Moderator
Moderator


Joined: 10 Apr 2001
Posts: 65135
Location: Orange County, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:08 am    Post subject:

Draft Okafor or Towns.

Save cap space money.

Use Cap space money on franchise player.
_________________
Resident Car Nut.

https://lakersdraft.substack.com/

I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
AY2043
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Posts: 10620

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:11 am    Post subject:

Having a great player on a rookie deal is a MASSIVE asset, especially when you're a FA destination like the Lakers.

If we can build a cheap young core with talent, the stars will come.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Michlake
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 3696

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:13 am    Post subject:

Towns
Cousins
Okafor
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Mike@LG
Moderator
Moderator


Joined: 10 Apr 2001
Posts: 65135
Location: Orange County, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:14 am    Post subject:

Lottery player + MAX Franchise player > Cousins
_________________
Resident Car Nut.

https://lakersdraft.substack.com/

I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lewis
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Oct 2013
Posts: 1165

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:18 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Lottery player + MAX Franchise player > Cousins


+1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
calistrtballr
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 24 Jun 2005
Posts: 6352
Location: Los Angeles, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:19 am    Post subject:

turn down best center in the league? 24pts 13rebs 2 blks w/78%FT?
id trade for that in a heartbeat. He's the exact type of player Durant needs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Ziggy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 12712

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:23 am    Post subject:

Depends what else we're giving up with the pick, but I'd strongly consider it.

It would speed up the rebuild drastically, and he's not even in his prime yet. I'm a big fan of Cousins. I assume Randle would be shipped with the pick.

For some reason, I just feel like a Clarkson-Cousins core is a more balanced duo. I love Randle but he's going to be more a face-up, ball handling 4.

I'm not sure how much cap space we'd have left. Maybe we can still throw $7M at Danny Green? Next season we'd be looking at:

PG: Clarkson/Brown
SG: Kobe/Green
SF: Green/Wes
PF: Davis/Black
C: Cousins

Make the postseason next season as an 8th seed, and then make a run at Durant next summer. Roster:

PG: Clarkson
SG: Green
SF: Durant
PF: Davis/Black
C: Cousins

That's a young core to build around for the next 6 years. The Lakers have never been the type of franchise to just "let the kids grow". If they can get a young core of proven all-stars in their primes I think they'll do it. No question.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
gus26
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 19 Jan 2012
Posts: 3099
Location: Colton

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:24 am    Post subject:

AY2043 wrote:
Having a great player on a rookie deal is a MASSIVE asset, especially when you're a FA destination like the Lakers.

If we can build a cheap young core with talent, the stars will come.


THIS

i honestly understand guys, like the big name, established all-star.. i seriously understand and get why guys like and want cousins... BUT unless its Lebron, Westbrook, Durant, Lillard, Curry, Thompson... we keep the pick...

anything other than those 5 players and we should keep the pick.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Ziggy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 12712

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:24 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Lottery player + MAX Franchise player > Cousins


Not if that max player is past his prime by the time that lottery player comes into his own.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Mike@LG
Moderator
Moderator


Joined: 10 Apr 2001
Posts: 65135
Location: Orange County, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:26 am    Post subject:

calistrtballr wrote:
turn down best center in the league? 24pts 13rebs 2 blks w/78%FT?
id trade for that in a heartbeat. He's the exact type of player Durant needs


He's not winning games. Has huge areas for improvement in terms of feel for the game and turnovers. Understand the offense runs through him, but he has PGs on his team and shooters.

But, to put it in another perspective... or the way I'd like to see it.

Okafor or Towns + Westbrook or Durant.

And that would roughly cost what, just $4mil. more for the Lakers with better talent on the team?
_________________
Resident Car Nut.

https://lakersdraft.substack.com/

I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Mike@LG
Moderator
Moderator


Joined: 10 Apr 2001
Posts: 65135
Location: Orange County, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:32 am    Post subject:

Ziggy wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Lottery player + MAX Franchise player > Cousins


Not if that max player is past his prime by the time that lottery player comes into his own.


That's one way to look at it.

Another way is this.

Okafor/Towns
Randle
Durant
SG
Clarkson

Cousins is a hell of a player, but he can't carry the Kings with adequate talent on his team.

Personally, I'd have issues with a center that shoots 46.7% from the field, 46.9% 2pt area, with 3.8 assists to 4.5 turnovers per game.

He's not in his prime.

Foul rate and turnovers are huge issues for him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html
_________________
Resident Car Nut.

https://lakersdraft.substack.com/

I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Jim99187
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 03 Jan 2014
Posts: 22138

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:35 am    Post subject:

Top 2? Hell NO
4/5 maybe
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Lakers2015
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Feb 2015
Posts: 2315

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:39 am    Post subject:

Legacy wrote:
This really is a no brainer. It shouldn't even be a question.


Yeah you're right there's no question we should keep the pick.

Cousins is overrated.

Can't carry a team, is a turnover machine, and pretty inefficient for a center.

Any big playing by the basket should be shooting at least 50 percent from the field.

The Kings team he's had around him hasn't been that bad. Rudy Gay, Stouskas, Isiah Thomas, Darren Collison, Maccalum, Landry, McLemore, etc.

No it's not a championship caliber team, but if Cousins is a true star he should be able to elevate them to being a playoff team.

I mean Pau had a similar supporting cast in Memphis and at least got them to the playoffs three times.


Last edited by Lakers2015 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:47 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Mike@LG
Moderator
Moderator


Joined: 10 Apr 2001
Posts: 65135
Location: Orange County, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:41 am    Post subject:

Lakers2015 wrote:
Legacy wrote:
This really is a no brainer. It shouldn't even be a question.


Yeah you're right there's no question we should keep the pick.


Agreed.

One franchise player alone doesn't get you in the playoffs. See OKC.
_________________
Resident Car Nut.

https://lakersdraft.substack.com/

I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Rivershow
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 09 Dec 2011
Posts: 6731

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:01 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
calistrtballr wrote:
turn down best center in the league? 24pts 13rebs 2 blks w/78%FT?
id trade for that in a heartbeat. He's the exact type of player Durant needs


He's not winning games. Has huge areas for improvement in terms of feel for the game and turnovers. Understand the offense runs through him, but he has PGs on his team and shooters.

But, to put it in another perspective... or the way I'd like to see it.

Okafor or Towns + Westbrook or Durant.

And that would roughly cost what, just $4mil. more for the Lakers with better talent on the team?


Pretty much what I've been arguing. Cousins is not capable of carrying subpar teammates to even a .500 record. He's not a superstar. Why should the lakers rush to trade their top 5 pick for that? Keep the top 5 pick, have young cheap assets and then go after free agents with the extra capspace. That's a more well rounded team imo.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
CandyCanes
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 24 Dec 2007
Posts: 35750
Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:08 am    Post subject:

Cousins is a black hole offensively and plays lazy defense. Would rather take a chance on Towns.
_________________
Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
AY2043
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Posts: 10620

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:10 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Lakers2015 wrote:
Legacy wrote:
This really is a no brainer. It shouldn't even be a question.


Yeah you're right there's no question we should keep the pick.


Agreed.

One franchise player alone doesn't get you in the playoffs. See OKC.

Or see Cousins' current team. They've sucked every year despite having some semi-decent talent in Gay, Maclemore, and Thomas (last couple years), and Collison.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Ziggy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 12712

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:13 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Lottery player + MAX Franchise player > Cousins


Not if that max player is past his prime by the time that lottery player comes into his own.


That's one way to look at it.

Another way is this.

Okafor/Towns
Randle
Durant
SG
Clarkson

Cousins is a hell of a player, but he can't carry the Kings with adequate talent on his team.

Personally, I'd have issues with a center that shoots 46.7% from the field, 46.9% 2pt area, with 3.8 assists to 4.5 turnovers per game.

He's not in his prime.

Foul rate and turnovers are huge issues for him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html


I'm curious to see his splits before and after they fired Malone. Last year he shot 50% with 3.5TO (still too high).

Looking at the Kings roster, it's no wonder he has to carry the offense. Their point guards are Andre Miller and Darren Collison. Rudy Gay is a solid scorer but he can't create off the dribble.

Put some ball handlers around Cousins and his efficiency will go up and his turnovers down.

I'm not saying I'd do it, but it's definitely something I'd spend more time looking into. I think Cousins is a stud. If he were a FA I think he'd be the biggest target in the NBA this summer.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> Trade and Free Agency Discussion All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB