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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:21 pm Post subject: Clarkson ranking among 25 and under point guards? |
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Where would you rank Jordan Clarkson among the rest of the league? Ranking on the basis of production and future forecast.. Here is my top 10
1. Kyrie
2. John Wall
3. Lillard
4. Holiday
5. B Knight
6. Rubio
7. E Payton
8. Clarkson
9. Schroder/Exum
10. B Jennings
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Marcus Smart, Trey Burke, Michael Carter Williams
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Yong
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Clarkson ranking among 25 and under point guards? |
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| Sting wrote: | Where would you rank Jordan Clarkson among the rest of the league? Ranking on the basis of production and future forecast.. Here is my top 10
1. Kyrie
2. John Wall
3. Lillard
4. Holiday
5. B Knight
6. Rubio
7. E Payton
8. Clarkson
9. Schroder/Exum
10. B Jennings
Others
Marcus Smart, Trey Burke, Michael Carter Williams
let me know if I'm being bias |
Personally I would put Rubio way lower (injury prone and can't shoot). Clarkson has to be below Schroder who is a proven player on the top 2 team in the league. MCW has his flaws, but I appreciate his post ups, tight handles and defence. I have him slightly in front of Clarkson at the moment. |
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| Clarkson isn't that high until he learns to defend. He is ranked 80/84 in DRPM for point guards, aka he has trouble guarding his own shadow. |
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| Exum gotta be dead last |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:00 am Post subject: Re: Clarkson ranking among 25 and under point guards? |
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| Yong wrote: | | Sting wrote: | Where would you rank Jordan Clarkson among the rest of the league? Ranking on the basis of production and future forecast.. Here is my top 10
1. Kyrie
2. John Wall
3. Lillard
4. Holiday
5. B Knight
6. Rubio
7. E Payton
8. Clarkson
9. Schroder/Exum
10. B Jennings
Others
Marcus Smart, Trey Burke, Michael Carter Williams
let me know if I'm being bias |
Personally I would put Rubio way lower (injury prone and can't shoot). Clarkson has to be below Schroder who is a proven player on the top 2 team in the league. MCW has his flaws, but I appreciate his post ups, tight handles and defence. I have him slightly in front of Clarkson at the moment. |
Agreed. I would definitely put Schroder higher, and at this point, Jennings deserves to be higher than Clarkson. |
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Carter-Williams misses too many shots to be higher than Clarkson, imo.
Shroder would be around #4 on my top 10. No way Rubio is that high, nor Exum.
I've personally always liked Wall over Irving, because he actually played defense. But I haven't watched Irving this year so don't know if he started playing some D.
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| Just call me *** wrote: | | Clarkson isn't that high until he learns to defend. He is ranked 80/84 in DRPM for point guards, aka he has trouble guarding his own shadow. |
I do agree he needs to be improve his defense, but, defense at the 1 is so overrated.
I mean, Tony Parker is rated lower than Clarkson on DRPM. |
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Gonna sound crazy but I'm taking Schroder... love that guy's game and think he'll be one of the top PGs for many years to come. Plus the umlaut in his last name makes him more badass  . As for JC if he can just keep improving I'll be happy. |
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| Clarkson ahead of schroder? No way |
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Dave20
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Here's how I would rank them.
1. Wall
2. Irving
3. Lillard
4. Knight
5. Clarkson
6. Schroder
7. Holiday
8. Payton
9. Rubio
10. Smart
Schroder is on a better team with a great coach, but Clarkson is more talented then him. Clarkson will pass Knight next year. Irving is great, but without Lebron the Cavs wouldn't make the playoffs. Irving coast defensively, Wall is carrying the Wizards. |
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| Dave20 wrote: | Here's how I would rank them.
1. Wall
2. Irving
3. Lillard
4. Knight
5. Clarkson
6. Schroder
7. Holiday
8. Payton
9. Rubio
10. Smart
Schroder is on a better team with a great coach, but Clarkson is more talented then him. Clarkson will pass Knight next year. Irving is great, but without Lebron the Cavs wouldn't make the playoffs. Irving coast defensively, Wall is carrying the Wizards. |
Im w this in terms of where Clarkson ranks. Kyrie #1 for me no question
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Clarkson ranking among 25 and under point guards? |
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| Sting wrote: | Where would you rank Jordan Clarkson among the rest of the league? Ranking on the basis of production and future forecast.. Here is my top 10
1. Kyrie
2. John Wall
3. Lillard
4. Holiday
5. B Knight
6. Rubio
7. E Payton
8. Clarkson
9. Schroder/Exum
10. B Jennings
Others
Marcus Smart, Trey Burke, Michael Carter Williams
let me know if I'm being bias |
I haven't looked up a list of the PGs under 25, but just based on the names you provided I'd probably rank them as such:
1. Kyrie
2/3. Wall/Lillard
4. Schroeder
5. Knight
6. Clarkson
7. Jennings
8. MCW
9. Payton
10. Holiday
11. Smart
12. Exum
13. Burke
And I think Clarkson will be moving up soon  |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Clarkson is top 5.
Schroder is a backup PG. A very good one, but Clarkson started nearly half the games and showed to be a very good starting PG.
Holiday and Rubio haven't been able to stay healthy this season.
Payton and Exum were major dissapointments as rookies.
Based of this season Clarkson is #4 behind Kyrie, Wall, and Irving. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Just call me *** wrote: | | Clarkson isn't that high until he learns to defend. He is ranked 80/84 in DRPM for point guards, aka he has trouble guarding his own shadow. |
To be fair, his shadow is pretty fast. |
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Dave20
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | Here's how I would rank them.
Schroder is on a better team with a great coach, but Clarkson is more talented then him. Clarkson will pass Knight next year. Irving is great, but without Lebron the Cavs wouldn't make the playoffs. Irving coast defensively, Wall is carrying the Wizards. |
Im w this in terms of where Clarkson ranks. Kyrie #1 for me no question |
Offensively he's great, but his defense isn't good. He's not that valuable to the Cavs like Wall is to the Wizards. If Wall and Irving switched teams the Cavs would be unstoppable and the Wizards would get worse. It's not just about scoring, it's overall impact. Wall avg 18/10/5 and plays great defense, Lebron is the reason the Cavs are good. I think Curry, Westbrook, Wall, CP3, and Lowry are better players then Irving. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Exum gotta be dead last |
Exum is still very much a kid.
I think he's still got potential. He'll have to grow into it though. |
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| Reflexx wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Exum gotta be dead last |
Exum is still very much a kid.
I think he's still got potential. He'll have to grow into it though. |
Ehhhh. But that list looked like a right now list, and Exum would be dead last on it. Bottom 5 starting PG in the league this year no question. Jazz fans were calling him the worst rotation player in the league for a minute |
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I think Clarkson is barely teetering at around 8 or 9. Possibly even 10.
The thing that encourages me about Clarkson though is how fast he's improved. He was pretty bad in the beginning of the season. By the end he was a completely different player. I expect him to move up a few notches this upcoming season. |
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| Lakers2015 wrote: | Clarkson is top 5.
Schroder is a backup PG. A very good one, but Clarkson started nearly half the games and showed to be a very good starting PG.
Holiday and Rubio haven't been able to stay healthy this season.
Payton and Exum were major dissapointments as rookies.
Based of this season Clarkson is #4 behind Kyrie, Wall, and Irving. |
I'm fine with having Clarkson ahead of Schroeder. But I think he's still behind Knight based on what Knight was able to do in MIL. He's not far though and will pass him next season |
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Irving is a scorer with good handles. He doesn't always guard the opposing PG, Shumpert does. He excites a lot of fans with his scoring, but his defense and passing is below avg for his position.
Wall is just on another level IMO, Westbrook like athleticism with DB speed that can win games in more ways. He's one of those rare physical specimens. |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | Here's how I would rank them.
Schroder is on a better team with a great coach, but Clarkson is more talented then him. Clarkson will pass Knight next year. Irving is great, but without Lebron the Cavs wouldn't make the playoffs. Irving coast defensively, Wall is carrying the Wizards. |
Im w this in terms of where Clarkson ranks. Kyrie #1 for me no question |
Offensively he's great, but his defense isn't good. He's not that valuable to the Cavs like Wall is to the Wizards. If Wall and Irving switched teams the Cavs would be unstoppable and the Wizards would get worse. It's not just about scoring, it's overall impact. Wall avg 18/10/5 and plays great defense, Lebron is the reason the Cavs are good. I think Curry, Westbrook, Wall, CP3, and Lowry are better players then Irving. |
Lowry isn't anywhere near as good as Irving.
He can't create his own shot like Irving can or score in bunches like him.
Defensively he's better, but Irving's ball handling, playmaking, obviously scoring, clutch ability, and ability to get to the line is all far superior.
The other guys are argurable. Wall is very good, but he's not much better than Irving. He's had a pretty good team around him in Washington and they haven't even been able to win 50 games and only made it past the first round once playing a Rose less Bulls team. |
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| Dave20 wrote: | Irving is a scorer with good handles. He doesn't always guard the opposing PG, Shumpert does. He excites a lot of fans with his scoring, but his defense and passing is below avg for his position.
Wall is just on another level IMO, Westbrook like athleticism with DB speed that can win games in more ways. He's one of those rare physical specimens. |
Irving's playmaking skills are fine. The only reason he doesn't rack up more assists is because LeBron is so ball dominant.
His handles are among the best in the league so they aren't just good.
His defense isn't great, but it is improved. |
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| The Grind wrote: | | Gonna sound crazy but I'm taking Schroder... love that guy's game and think he'll be one of the top PGs for many years to come. Plus the umlaut in his last name makes him more badass . As for JC if he can just keep improving I'll be happy. |
co-signed. He's already very good. He's (already)a very young Rondo. |
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| Dave20 wrote: | Irving is a scorer with good handles. He doesn't always guard the opposing PG, Shumpert does. He excites a lot of fans with his scoring, but his defense and passing is below avg for his position.
Wall is just on another level IMO, Westbrook like athleticism with DB speed that can win games in more ways. He's one of those rare physical specimens. |
Kyrie's defense is at worst equal to JC's.. it's improved this year. And on offense, JC isn't close to being as good as Kyrie. He's got better handles, shooting, and finishing. |
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Depends on what you prioritize on the floor.
If you value finishing in the paint, Clarkson is way up there.
If you value steals, Schroeder, MCW, Payton.
If you value perimeter shooting, Brandon Knight.
I like Clarkson more than most of these PGs. These guys can't shoot.
Otherwise, Kyrie Irving blows out the field. Elite finishing of the group. Top Tier perimeter shooting. Great assist rate next to LeBron James. Solid steal rate.
Lillard dramatically improved his finishing rate, but now takes too many jumpshots considering how much everything past 16' has dropped. Only averages 1 more APG and doesn't have LeBron beside him. Over 40% of his shot attempts are behind the arc.
Wall is the scariest one. Great 2pt % across the board, elite finisher, elite ball-handling, elite athleticism. 46% assist rate. Just needs a 3pt. shot. Best steal rate.
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