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| BigislandHank wrote: | | Overvalued. What BS saw in this guy...idk. |
Byon didn't have much of a choice....The Lakers SF this past season was Nick Young (who was injured) or Wes Johnson. The SF position was the weakest on that roster.
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Wes is not undervalued. His skills are low value.
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| LuciusAllen wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | This is a joke right? This guy was the #4 draft pick....he's a huge bust. |
His draft position has nothing to do with his value at this point in his career. Sure, his agent may try to use that draft position to milk a team for more money, but it's not going to make Wes play like we all think a player drafted that high should play.
So set aside the draft position and the labels. Look at the numbers. You know how some folks here are fawning all over Aminu? Have you compared his stats with Wes' numbers? They're not all that different. Aminu is taller, so he defends better in the paint. And he certainly gets more rebounds. Wes is a better shooter. Aminu's playoff shooting performance is a true anomaly.
But Aminu is looking at a MLE-level contract. Wes? Maybe $2 million/year.
I would argue that, looking at both players as SFs, and depending on how the roster takes shape, Wes could be a better choice for the Lakers. |
He's a spot up shooter who can't do anything else. Despite his athleticism he makes terrible decisions and can't create his own shot. For somebody who was drafted so high in the 2010 NBA draft, his value has gone down each passing year. As far as the SF position, since Wes is a free agent and Lakers are pining to get rid of Nick Young, it could very well be that we have new SF's for next season. |
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Wesley Johnson needs to be on the bench; way on the bench. Sitting so far towards the end that his left butt-cheek is hanging off the edge of it.
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If wes johnson is starting for any team. They are overvaluing him.
He is a defensive stopper that should be used as a look off the bench.
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Wes doesn't belong in NBA starting lineup. |
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Johnson is a back-up being asked to play starters mpg.
I am much more forgiving then most of you because I would have no issues with re-signing him. Seems like a good idea to in fact.
Perhaps his draft position cause the expectations to be too high. but Johnson is a good bench player. Lakers have a priority to add depth at SF. If they can draft a SF with one of the late picks. Then add a SF in free agency. I just do not see the Kobe and Young SF predictions happening.
Johnson is never going to be a team leader but for the minimum he is an asset at SF. Can also play some SG mpg if the roster worked out that way. He is a role player. Expecting more will just disappoint you. |
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| hes overvalued.... we need to take him out back and put him down |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | LuciusAllen wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | This is a joke right? This guy was the #4 draft pick....he's a huge bust. |
His draft position has nothing to do with his value at this point in his career. Sure, his agent may try to use that draft position to milk a team for more money, but it's not going to make Wes play like we all think a player drafted that high should play.
So set aside the draft position and the labels. Look at the numbers. You know how some folks here are fawning all over Aminu? Have you compared his stats with Wes' numbers? They're not all that different. Aminu is taller, so he defends better in the paint. And he certainly gets more rebounds. Wes is a better shooter. Aminu's playoff shooting performance is a true anomaly.
But Aminu is looking at a MLE-level contract. Wes? Maybe $2 million/year.
I would argue that, looking at both players as SFs, and depending on how the roster takes shape, Wes could be a better choice for the Lakers. |
He's a spot up shooter who can't do anything else. Despite his athleticism he makes terrible decisions and can't create his own shot. For somebody who was drafted so high in the 2010 NBA draft, his value has gone down each passing year. As far as the SF position, since Wes is a free agent and Lakers are pining to get rid of Nick Young, it could very well be that we have new SF's for next season. |
Again, it doesn't matter where he was drafted. We're talking about current value here, not the mistakes of the horrible Minnesota GM (and many talent evaluators) at the time.
He defends well. He covers a lot of ground and can play in a fast-paced offense too.
I'm not saying he should be our starting SF. I'm saying he's worth around $2 mil for his particular set of skills. And I don't think bringing him back to play a 3 and D role as a backup is really all that bad of an idea. |
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Wes is NOT undervalued. |
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 9:48 am Post subject: |
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To me, under-valued is a guy making less than $5 million who can:
1. Play his position, and outplay his opposition team's counterpart
2. Minimum 10 ppg, 5 rebounds or assists per game
3. Helps the team win more games by his level of play vs. his mistakes
The one guy currently on the Lakers under-vaulted is Clarkson, no one else. |
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Bench player. That is it.
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | hes overvalued.... we need to take him out back and put him down |
dayum..but ya!!!!!!!!!!!! id rather give some guy from the local ymca a shot who'll give their all for less rather than pay wes"show me the 3 fingers" johnson a 2-3mill contract. |
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Wes Johnson's PPP by play type (possessions, PPP, Percentile)
Spot Up 198, 1.06, 74.4
Cut 47, 1.23, 61.7
Off Screen 101, .94, 58.9
Transition 124, 1.07, 43.1
Putbacks 35, 1.03, 42.0
Pick and Roll Ballhandler 104, .70, 37.6
ISO 57, .61, 17.7
Pretty much what you would expect. Solid when he sticks to sputting up, cutting, crashing the boards, and getting out in transition. Weak when he tries to handle the ball. |
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| For he minimum, Wes is fine. But in no way should he be starting or playing a major role for us, or any team. |
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| If Wes WAS Taken Where He SHOULD Have Been in the mid to Late First Round As A 3 AND D with role player upside rather than top 5 as a franchise player no one would be saying anything. |
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Wes has all the tools to be a solid 3 and D guy but he hasn't even lived up to that, its so disappointing because he can be really good. 3 and D guys are becoming more and more valuable in the league right now, its just sad that Wes is failing to cash in.
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd give him the minimum for 12 minutes a game. In the regular season. |
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Wes is a backup SF.
IF we get our starter, he could be ok off the bench as a nitch D player...
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| deal wrote: | Wes is a backup SF.
IF we get our starter, he could be ok off the bench as a nitch D player... |
That is exactly the role Wes should be playing. IMO a nice piece of the puzzle for a $1M-$2M for a couple of years. I do not understand the extreme dislike some are posting.
He is one of those players that seems to hang around for 10+ years and contribute. Not a star but a solid player. Reminds me of a Corey Brewer, Dorell Wright or J. Jones type. Inconsistent but comes through every once in a while when the starter needs a rest. |
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | Wes Johnson's PPP by play type (possessions, PPP, Percentile)
Spot Up 198, 1.06, 74.4
Cut 47, 1.23, 61.7
Off Screen 101, .94, 58.9
Transition 124, 1.07, 43.1
Putbacks 35, 1.03, 42.0
Pick and Roll Ballhandler 104, .70, 37.6
ISO 57, .61, 17.7
Pretty much what you would expect. Solid when he sticks to sputting up, cutting, crashing the boards, and getting out in transition. Weak when he tries to handle the ball. |
thats what I'm saying. he is a decent starter on a good team. |
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | Wes Johnson's PPP by play type (possessions, PPP, Percentile)
Spot Up 198, 1.06, 74.4
Cut 47, 1.23, 61.7
Off Screen 101, .94, 58.9
Transition 124, 1.07, 43.1
Putbacks 35, 1.03, 42.0
Pick and Roll Ballhandler 104, .70, 37.6
ISO 57, .61, 17.7
Pretty much what you would expect. Solid when he sticks to sputting up, cutting, crashing the boards, and getting out in transition. Weak when he tries to handle the ball. |
Off the bench that would be fine, no doubt...
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wes isn't a knucklehead like Nicky Young. Wes does what his coach asks, and BS wanted Wes to create offense.
Put Danny Green in Wes spot and he would have been a fish out of water. His numbers would have been worse then Wesley. Put Wesley on the Spurs or Cavs and he would thrive just being a 3 and D will the ability to get loose balls, and be a cutter |
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | 24 wrote: | Wes Johnson's PPP by play type (possessions, PPP, Percentile)
Spot Up 198, 1.06, 74.4
Cut 47, 1.23, 61.7
Off Screen 101, .94, 58.9
Transition 124, 1.07, 43.1
Putbacks 35, 1.03, 42.0
Pick and Roll Ballhandler 104, .70, 37.6
ISO 57, .61, 17.7
Pretty much what you would expect. Solid when he sticks to sputting up, cutting, crashing the boards, and getting out in transition. Weak when he tries to handle the ball. |
Off the bench that would be fine, no doubt... |
Yes, off the bench with a dominant ball handler.
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Sting wrote: | Wes isn't a knucklehead like Nicky Young. Wes does what his coach asks, and BS wanted Wes to create offense.
Put Danny Green in Wes spot and he would have been a fish out of water. His numbers would have been worse then Wesley. Put Wesley on the Spurs or Cavs and he would thrive just being a 3 and D will the ability to get loose balls, and be a cutter |
What? Wesley is a bust. He's been in the league for 5 years and hasn't developed a game, sure the physical tools are there, but he has never figured out a way to properly use them. If he needs the excuse of having a HOF coach or a stacked team to make him into a good player, then that confirms how much he sucks. |
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