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Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:25 pm Post subject:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

I'm bowing out because the subject matter gets me upset. And I don't even strongly identify myself as Republican. But the way people buy into these stereotypes gives me heartache. The idea of having to prove the negative...

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

I suspect when people stop openly being bigots, political parties will stop openly pandering to them, and then those who affiliate with those parties can stop pretending to be offended by the accusation, instead of the bigotry?

That's so bigoted, for one to assume an entire party theough and through is bigoted.

Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Herman Cain, Richard Tisei do not hate black people, women, and gays.

I just don't get why it needs to go to that extreme, every time. It's becoming standard response now for anyone who doesn't agree with one's viewpoint.

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Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:29 pm Post subject:

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Fair enough. Btw, no one is asking you to prove the negative, merely mount any kind of defense against the pretty obvious and widely admitted...

At least they are strong advocates for women's rights

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Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:31 pm Post subject:

And professional politicians are extreme narcissists and psychopaths In 1919, as Colonial Secretary Churchill advocated the use of chemical weapons on the "uncooperative Arabs" in the puppet state of Iraq. "I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas," he declared. "I am strongly in favor of using poison gas against uncivilized tribes." Some year’s later, gassing human beings to death would make other men infamous. An example of Churchill's racial views are his comments made in 1937: "I do not admit that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race, has come in and taken their place." https://mises.org/library/real-churchill Churchill was a mass murderer yet history penned him in as a hero..

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Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:40 pm Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

Again, if youre going to cry generalization, don't generalize a specific claim. ThE claim is that the gop at a high level is engaged in politics based heavily on race, institutionally. Doesnt make every republican or conservative a racist. But not every republican being a racist doesn't mean racism isn't an institutional element of republican strategy and governance policy either.

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Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

Uncle Toms

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Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:48 pm Post subject:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

Uncle Toms

Thats not cool either.

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Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:53 pm Post subject:

24 wrote:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

Uncle Toms

Thats not cool either.

Sry bout that.. Had to rile up ring finger..

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:00 am Post subject:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:

24 wrote:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

Uncle Toms

Thats not cool either.

Sry bout that.. Had to rile up ring finger..

No need to rile each other up.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:05 am Post subject:

Can anyone confirm that she was a Republican? The first I remember seeing her is when she beat crazy B1 Bob. She was most certainly a Democrat then.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:42 am Post subject:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

I'm not crying generalization. Generalizations exist for a reason. There is no doubt that many Republican policies fail to offer advantages, and in some cases, even creates disadvantages, for let's call it the underrepresented.

What I'm crying, is the generalization of the Republican party as a hatred-driven party.

I just happen to hold the use of such a term such as "racist" to a very, very high standard.

It's just hard for me to believe, that at a high level, the interests of the Republican party align with the KKK (now that's a group whose politics center around race).

If there were some form of legislation for whom the primary beneficiary was the underrepresented, and that legislation would undeniably put more money in to the pockets of the wealthy, would you expect Republicans to vote for or against that legislation?

I think they'd vote for it. I view Republicans as a party that places a greater importance on their own self-interests (i.e. money, faith, tradition, etc) than one motivated by hate above all else.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 7:35 am Post subject:

24 wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

DaMuleRules wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

24 wrote:

She should go back to being a republican.

Forget that. You guys can keep her.

I can see why you'd feel that way since you guys are already saturated with racist idiots.

Says the guy making a broad prejudiced generalization based on a steteotype...

Stereotype, or generalization that is true in far more cases than not? I mean, If I say that men are taller than women, am I wrong because there are some tall women and short men?

I feel compelled to venture into this this very delicate subject. The issue of what is racist or racism is hard enough to define, but to then get into everyone's head to know that most of one group are racist by some standard, is not a limb on which I would venture.

Having said that, I do believe there is more racism of a stereotyping nature in the hearts of many, as well as more mean spirited racist hate, that we don't see due to the image of being portrayed as such. As a white person, there are those family moments or isolated moments at work when those toads come out. To what extent is a question I often ponder, but can't begin to answer.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:02 am Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:

24 wrote:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

Somehow we end up discussing racist Republicans in a thread about a racist comment by a Democrat. I see what you guys did

In fairness, she was a republican who switched parties because of changing district makeup.

And revealed herself to be a Republican anyway through her behavior because they just can't help themselves from doing so on certain issues.

We (Democrats) have been infiltrated.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:18 am Post subject:

24 wrote:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:

24 wrote:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

24 wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

You really ought to be more open minded to the idea of being closed minded. Sheesh buddy!

You just never quit, do you?

Ehh, I just happen to agree with him. It too, bothers me that people just whip out the ol' bigot card. Like clockwork. It's just wrong.

Uncle Toms

Thats not cool either.

Sry bout that.. Had to rile up ring finger..

No need to rile each other up.

That comment was pretty offensive and incendiary. That's a horrible thing to call another person.

It's a slur. A slur that gets a light slap on the wrist.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:20 am Post subject:

ribeye wrote:

24 wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

DaMuleRules wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

24 wrote:

She should go back to being a republican.

Forget that. You guys can keep her.

I can see why you'd feel that way since you guys are already saturated with racist idiots.

Says the guy making a broad prejudiced generalization based on a steteotype...

Stereotype, or generalization that is true in far more cases than not? I mean, If I say that men are taller than women, am I wrong because there are some tall women and short men?

That's where the dilemma lies. Not allowing some ethnics equal access to same privileges as others eg. schools, job opportunities, etc. is racism. It's not considered mean spirited but is still a form of racism.

That's the segment of racism that's not difficult to see but hard eliminate because it's veiled and protected.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:27 am Post subject:

jodeke wrote:

ribeye wrote:

24 wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

DaMuleRules wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

24 wrote:

She should go back to being a republican.

Forget that. You guys can keep her.

I can see why you'd feel that way since you guys are already saturated with racist idiots.

Says the guy making a broad prejudiced generalization based on a steteotype...

Stereotype, or generalization that is true in far more cases than not? I mean, If I say that men are taller than women, am I wrong because there are some tall women and short men?

"Not allowing"?

...and I said I was bowing out... yet here I still am.

The Republicans have a lot of policies that are not "sensitive" to race. The goal being to be blind to race.

And some will call that veiled racism.

Then again... when policy exists to give any race advantages or disadvantages merely because of the color of their skin, I see that as much more blatant racism. Yet, others see it as merely evening the odds.

The racist card can be thrown at both sides depending on what you believe in.

Do you believe in government being blind to color? Then giving advantages to people because of race is racist.

Do you believe that government should even the playing field along racial lines? Then being blind to color is racist.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:36 am Post subject:

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Can anyone confirm that she was a Republican? The first I remember seeing her is when she beat crazy B1 Bob. She was most certainly a Democrat then.

She was NEVER a Republican. I don't even know where that came from. My guess is that some associate her with Republicans because of her opposition to Gray Davis, but that's just a guess.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:50 am Post subject:

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I view Republicans as a party that places a greater importance on their own self-interests (i.e. money, faith, tradition, etc) than one motivated by hate above all else.

Well that would explain both parties. Both (And I use the term 'Both' loosely, because they are effectively just one party with an extreme vs moderate right slant) put their self interests above all else. And I agree with you that the Republican Party is not a Party motivated by hate above all else. Theirs is primarily an image issue, and since few in the party are willing to fight that image, it persists. It's a lot like the State of Idaho, which due to a minority of it's residents being very loud and devout Aryans, the state has received a lasting reputation as being a bastion of racists. And that there is the problem with members of any group not standing up against the worst amongst them. They risk being defined by the worst amongst them (Similar to the way Blacks are often defined by the worst amongst them).

So this right here is what more non narrow-minded Republicans need to do. They need to stand up against the bigots in their midst. Blacks need to stand up against the sympathizers in their midst. Idahoans need to stand up against the Aryans in their midst. Good cops need to stand up against the overly authoritarians in their midst. And when these groups stand up they need to do so CLEARLY, LOUDLY, and UNAMBIGUOUSLY since they now have to overcome an image that they are accepting of these trending misanthropes amongst them.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:29 am Post subject:

Reflexx wrote:

jodeke wrote:

ribeye wrote:

24 wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

DaMuleRules wrote:

Reflexx wrote:

24 wrote:

She should go back to being a republican.

Forget that. You guys can keep her.

I can see why you'd feel that way since you guys are already saturated with racist idiots.

Says the guy making a broad prejudiced generalization based on a steteotype...

Stereotype, or generalization that is true in far more cases than not? I mean, If I say that men are taller than women, am I wrong because there are some tall women and short men?

From your stance attempts to even the playing field could be considered racism, not mean spirited.

As I said to you once before, read to the end, absorb, dissect, assimilate.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:34 am Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

Can anyone confirm that she was a Republican? The first I remember seeing her is when she beat crazy B1 Bob. She was most certainly a Democrat then.

She was NEVER a Republican. I don't even know where that came from. My guess is that some associate her with Republicans because of her opposition to Gray Davis, but that's just a guess.

Wrong, she was a Republican.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DROPPING+MARRIED+NAME+HELPED+SANCHEZ+DEFEAT+DORNAN.-a084004036

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Dornan had a field day with Sanchez's numerous transformations. She is a former Republican who switched her affiliation in 1992 when she became upset by what she saw as GOP extremism.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:45 am Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:

Aussiesuede wrote:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

Can anyone confirm that she was a Republican? The first I remember seeing her is when she beat crazy B1 Bob. She was most certainly a Democrat then.

She was NEVER a Republican. I don't even know where that came from. My guess is that some associate her with Republicans because of her opposition to Gray Davis, but that's just a guess.

Wrong, she was a Republican.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DROPPING+MARRIED+NAME+HELPED+SANCHEZ+DEFEAT+DORNAN.-a084004036

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Dornan had a field day with Sanchez's numerous transformations. She is a former Republican who switched her affiliation in 1992 when she became upset by what she saw as GOP extremism.

She never actually ran for anything as a Republican. That explains my confusion.
Maybe she didn't leave the Republican party, but the party left her?

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:16 am Post subject:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

Can anyone confirm that she was a Republican? The first I remember seeing her is when she beat crazy B1 Bob. She was most certainly a Democrat then.

You remember Bob Dornan? He tried to do a Ronald Reagan, minus talk show host, from talk show host, to actor, to politician. I always thought he was inept. I, nor did the party, take him seriously.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:30 am Post subject:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

lakersken80 wrote:

Aussiesuede wrote:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

Can anyone confirm that she was a Republican? The first I remember seeing her is when she beat crazy B1 Bob. She was most certainly a Democrat then.

She was NEVER a Republican. I don't even know where that came from. My guess is that some associate her with Republicans because of her opposition to Gray Davis, but that's just a guess.

Wrong, she was a Republican.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DROPPING+MARRIED+NAME+HELPED+SANCHEZ+DEFEAT+DORNAN.-a084004036

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Dornan had a field day with Sanchez's numerous transformations. She is a former Republican who switched her affiliation in 1992 when she became upset by what she saw as GOP extremism.

She never actually ran for anything as a Republican. That explains my confusion.
Maybe she didn't leave the Republican party, but the party left her?

I guess she went the Hillary route...grew up a Republican but got disillusioned with the party.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:46 am Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

I view Republicans as a party that places a greater importance on their own self-interests (i.e. money, faith, tradition, etc) than one motivated by hate above all else.

That's fair in a narrow sense. It is true that wealth (corporate and individual) carries enormous clout in electoral politics, and that wealth plays both sides of the fence. But it is also true that on everything ranging from regulation to taxation (everything from corporate tax to estate tax to income tax brackets to capital gains taxes) to labor laws, The GOP is much much more pro wealth.

The problem with that is that even with the backing of the large donors, you don't have much of an electoral base, even with the successful marketing of wealth centric policies to those they adversely impact.

That's why the Southern strategy, the mating of fiscal conservatism to religious conservatism, and the strong push against minorities and "others" (and creating the pejorative connotation of the word liberal) as takers, both of your tax money (the famous welfare queen) and your jobs. Then there was the emphasis against feminism, and a tie into religious conservative views on social issues like abortion and reproductive rights, and homosexuality. This is of course brought full circle back around through guns, militarism, distrust of the government, distrust of cosmopolitan city folk, and anti tax sentiments to the fiscal policy, essentially mating a lot of conservative religious, and rural white social, racial and sexual mores to fiscal policy that heretofore were not linked.

There is a reason that the earliest attacks on Obama were related to community organizing, false ties to muslim ideology and terrorism, and false claims of being born in Africa. All of that is code for fear of a looming brown horde coming to take away your way of life. And that sells the rest of the message.

There are lots of fiscal conservatives who do not vote republican based upon racial or sexual dog whistles, but to deny that these are central to the strategic vision of GOP electoral policy, and that they are also pretty mainstream views in huge swaths of America that are electorally dominated by the GOP, and that those two things are inextricably linked, is either excessively or willfully ignorant.

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:53 am Post subject:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

lakersken80 wrote:

Aussiesuede wrote:

OregonLakerGuy wrote:

Can anyone confirm that she was a Republican? The first I remember seeing her is when she beat crazy B1 Bob. She was most certainly a Democrat then.

She was NEVER a Republican. I don't even know where that came from. My guess is that some associate her with Republicans because of her opposition to Gray Davis, but that's just a guess.

Wrong, she was a Republican.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DROPPING+MARRIED+NAME+HELPED+SANCHEZ+DEFEAT+DORNAN.-a084004036

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Dornan had a field day with Sanchez's numerous transformations. She is a former Republican who switched her affiliation in 1992 when she became upset by what she saw as GOP extremism.

She never actually ran for anything as a Republican. That explains my confusion.
Maybe she didn't leave the Republican party, but the party left her?

And to be fair, the joke of her going back to the GOP was just that...

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Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:09 pm Post subject:

24 wrote:

Aussiesuede wrote:

ringfinger wrote:

I view Republicans as a party that places a greater importance on their own self-interests (i.e. money, faith, tradition, etc) than one motivated by hate above all else.

All of what you say is true. That still doesn't make most of them racists. They are "Bubble People" and the last highlighted in blue speaks to that. And before the screaming hordes come with their pitchforks, their ignorance isn't universal in form. They simply choose to pretend the world inside their little bubble is indicative of the real world outside it and their ignorance to that factual inaccuracy is what allows them to believe in some of the silliness you've accurately described that many of them subscribe to as reality. But to my mind, there is a very stark difference between Bubble People & Out-n-Out racists. One is driven be a belief of inherent superiority, and the other is driven by blind allegiance to that which serves self. That said, there are certain individual policies which are undeniably racist at their basis and supported by a large swath of Republicans. Whether or not their widespread support of those undeniably racist policies is driven by a nugget of racism within them, or owes to the basic ignorance which accompanies their presence inside the bubble? Who's to say? I'd bet on it being a bit of both...
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