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Hector the Pup
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| revgen wrote: | No. 15 mil/yr tops.
The max is for guys like Marc Gasol or D12. |
Jordan will not only get the max, he will be getting max offers from at least 3 teams. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | som3on3_10 wrote: | | Max money for a 1 way player? Unless we get CP3 to be able to throw him lobs on offense, he will be completely useless on offense. NO THANKS! |
No one on the Lakers can throw a lob? |
Yes because a pass from CP3 is exactly like a pass from any guard on the Laker's roster. Hmm...maybe Magic Johnson's passing ability all these years have been overrated since Magic wasn't the only one in the league that can pass.  |
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So Paul's lobs are special? I don't think so. I caught some of First Take and SAS was crucifying DJ and Blake while holding CP3 blameless for the Clipper collapse. He basically implied that DJ is only what he is because of CP3 (I guess som3on3_10 would agree). I hope DJ sees that and it makes him want to leave.
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som3on3_10
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | So Paul's lobs are special? I don't think so. I caught some of First Take and SAS was crucifying DJ and Blake while holding CP3 blameless for the Clipper collapse. He basically implied that DJ is only what he is because of CP3 (I guess som3on3_10 would agree). I hope DJ sees that and it makes him want to leave. |
A lob is a pass wouldn't you agree? Isn't CP3 one of the better, if not one of the best passers in the game? Let me ask you this...why wasn't Blake and DJ touting the Clippers as "lob city" when Eric Gordon was their starting PG? They didn't start using this catch phrase until CP3 came to the Clippers. Apparently both Blake and DJ feel that CP3's lobs are special, but what do they know? You clearly have more credibility than the actual players do...  |
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On the one hand, I can appreciate DJ's desire to be more than a 3rd option/face behind CP3/Blake.
On the other hand, he doesn't have a game that will elevate him above 3rd fiddle.
The argument is to appeal to his vanity, that his Q rating will increase exponentially with the Lakers.
Hell, Jordan Clarkson, he of 46th pick fame, is dating a Victoria's Secret model. Think about that for a second.
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont see how he can be a max player. He has no offensive game. |
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| som3on3_10 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | som3on3_10 wrote: | | Max money for a 1 way player? Unless we get CP3 to be able to throw him lobs on offense, he will be completely useless on offense. NO THANKS! |
No one on the Lakers can throw a lob? |
Yes because a pass from CP3 is exactly like a pass from any guard on the Laker's roster. Hmm...maybe Magic Johnson's passing ability all these years have been overrated since Magic wasn't the only one in the league that can pass. |
His offensive value is as a pick and roll guy.. transition and clean up. Doesn't matter who he's playing with.
His *real* value that makes him a max player is his ability to truly anchor a defense and his ability to clean the defensive glass. It's absolutely a rare skill and worth the max in the NBA. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | revgen wrote: | No. 15 mil/yr tops.
The max is for guys like Marc Gasol or D12. |
Jordan will not only get the max, he will be getting max offers from at least 3 teams. |
If they want to pay Jordan the max, then let them do it.
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He averaged 11.5 ppg on 71% shooting and almost 5 offensive rebounds a game. He does have some value on offense. Putbacks, dunks, and increased transition opportunities have some value.
I've seen Blake throw lobs to him FWIW, but then again Blake is a pretty good passer himself.
Also, Blake was injured and I think DJ put up even bigger numbers and the Clippers did surprisingly well without Griffin. |
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These are the point and rebound totals for DJ in the games Blake missed in February and March.
Points: 8, 22, 24, 26, 11, 9, 22, 15, 9, 12, 6, 6, 20, 18, 16
Rebounds: 10, 27, 20, 18, 15, 17, 19, 22, 26, 18, 19, 14, 17, 17, 18 |
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| Steve007 wrote: | These are the point and rebound totals for DJ in the games Blake missed in February and March.
Points: 8, 22, 24, 26, 11, 9, 22, 15, 9, 12, 6, 6, 20, 18, 16
Rebounds: 10, 27, 20, 18, 15, 17, 19, 22, 26, 18, 19, 14, 17, 17, 18 |
Great post. |
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| That's 14.9 ppg and 18.4 rpg when Blake missed those 15 games. |
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| SGSD32 wrote: | | som3on3_10 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | som3on3_10 wrote: | | Max money for a 1 way player? Unless we get CP3 to be able to throw him lobs on offense, he will be completely useless on offense. NO THANKS! |
No one on the Lakers can throw a lob? |
Yes because a pass from CP3 is exactly like a pass from any guard on the Laker's roster. Hmm...maybe Magic Johnson's passing ability all these years have been overrated since Magic wasn't the only one in the league that can pass. |
His offensive value is as a pick and roll guy.. transition and clean up. Doesn't matter who he's playing with.
His *real* value that makes him a max player is his ability to truly anchor a defense and his ability to clean the defensive glass. It's absolutely a rare skill and worth the max in the NBA. |
So all guards run the pick and roll the same?  So Steve Nash or CP3 running the pick and roll is the equivalent of say Ramon Sessions or Patrick Beverley? Interesting... |
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som3on3_10
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve007 wrote: | | He does have some value on offense. |
Sorry I'd rather not describe my max player like this. |
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Steve007
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| som3on3_10 wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | | He does have some value on offense. |
Sorry I'd rather not describe my max player like this. |
What if a player is elite on offense and is described as having some value on defense? Is that player worth the max? Just curious what you think.
Also, DJ is durable and rebounds, which does add a lot of value. |
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etmo
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Seems like everyone agrees DJ is worth a lot, apparently at least 15 million under the current cap. Some just don't think he's worth max under the current cap.
OK, but in just a year, the cap goes way, way up, and what is a max offer today becomes merely a high offer, where everyone agrees DJ has value.
The difference is only about 4-5 million dollars, and just for a single year. That's quibbling over crumbs. It won't affect our ability to max [insert your dream FA in 2016 here], we'll have a solid 5 who erases defensive errors to attract [your dream FA], and because DJ doesn't need many touches (and Kobe is going away), [your dream FA] will still get all the shots he could possibly want.
We need pieces. A lot of pieces. The risk of overpaying by a lousy 5 million for a single year is the least of our concerns.
I'd like to see us make a max offer to LA first, then if necessary DJ second, then Gasol 3rd, then if necessary get into guys like Monroe, Thompson, etc. The unrestricted FA big guy crop this year is nuts, and so we need to score one of them at least. Getting big men via free agency has always been the Laker way, and the Hoop Gods have set it up again. |
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