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Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:46 am Post subject:
How about trading Sacre, the 2015 #27 and #34 for Mason Plumlee, 2015 #29 and #41? We would get a better backup center, and NJ could dump salary while getting slightly better draft selections.
I am intrigued by Christmas but I'd hesitate taking him with the 27th pick. His stock started to rise after the Combine when he demonstrated a rather nice mid-range jumper. However, if you look at his earlier highlight reels you'll see that the jumper was usually short and flat. I'm not sure if one game is a fair representation due to small sample size, or if that one game showed what he was capable of once he is free from whatever restrictions were present when he played C at Syracuse. He has nice athleticism, but his upside seems limited as he's going to be 24 later this year.
How about trading Sacre, the 2015 #27 and #34 for Mason Plumlee, 2015 #29 and #41? We would get a better backup center, and NJ could dump salary while getting slightly better draft selections.
Plumlee
2015 - 2016
$1,415,520
2016 - 2017
$2,328,530
If Brook Lopez picks up his option for the 2015 - 2016 season, the Nets will have a payroll in the area of $80 million or more. Plumlee's quite small salary isn't the problem for the Nets. The salaries below are probably the ones on the Salary Dump shelf.
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 7:02 am Post subject:
Bard207 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
How about trading Sacre, the 2015 #27 and #34 for Mason Plumlee, 2015 #29 and #41? We would get a better backup center, and NJ could dump salary while getting slightly better draft selections.
Plumlee
2015 - 2016
$1,415,520
2016 - 2017
$2,328,530
If Brook Lopez picks up his option for the 2015 - 2016 season, the Nets will have a payroll in the area of $80 million or more. Plumlee's quite small salary isn't the problem for the Nets. The salaries below are probably the ones on the Salary Dump shelf.
Jarrett Jack
2015 - 2016
$6,300,000
2016 - 2017
$6,300,00
Joe Johnson
2015 - 2016
$24,894,861
Deron Williams
2015 - 2016
$21,042800
2016 - 2017
$22,331,135 (Player Option)
I did not intend to imply salary was the primary driver, just mentioned in response to Marc Stein mentioning the Nets may move him.
Assuming we draft a center, if we kept our 27/34 picks, I'd look for wing players, maybe a backup PG. I'm not really looking for more PFs/Cs at this point. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 7:05 am Post subject:
angrypuppy wrote:
I am intrigued by Christmas but I'd hesitate taking him with the 27th pick. His stock started to rise after the Combine when he demonstrated a rather nice mid-range jumper. However, if you look at his earlier highlight reels you'll see that the jumper was usually short and flat. I'm not sure if one game is a fair representation due to small sample size, or if that one game showed what he was capable of once he is free from whatever restrictions were present when he played C at Syracuse. He has nice athleticism, but his upside seems limited as he's going to be 24 later this year.
I have seen recent workout video etc., and he appears much improved from his game displayed at Cuse. Also was reported he looked great at combine.
How about trading Sacre, the 2015 #27 and #34 for Mason Plumlee, 2015 #29 and #41? We would get a better backup center, and NJ could dump salary while getting slightly better draft selections.
Plumlee
2015 - 2016
$1,415,520
2016 - 2017
$2,328,530
If Brook Lopez picks up his option for the 2015 - 2016 season, the Nets will have a payroll in the area of $80 million or more. Plumlee's quite small salary isn't the problem for the Nets. The salaries below are probably the ones on the Salary Dump shelf.
Jarrett Jack
2015 - 2016
$6,300,000
2016 - 2017
$6,300,00
Joe Johnson
2015 - 2016
$24,894,861
Deron Williams
2015 - 2016
$21,042800
2016 - 2017
$22,331,135 (Player Option)
I did not intend to imply salary was the primary driver, just mentioned in response to Marc Stein mentioning the Nets may move him.
I think Nets will attach Plumlee to any of the salary dump (prob Deron)
Assuming we draft a center, if we kept our 27/34 picks, I'd look for wing players, maybe a backup PG. I'm not really looking for more PFs/Cs at this point.
Obviously you always draft BPA but all things equal that's my inclination as well. I'm hoping for two players who can man the 3rd-string PG and wing positions their rookie year and eventually work their way into our playoff rotation down the line.
I wouldn't mind trading both of our late picks for a #20-22 range pick Draftexpress has RHJ, Grant, and Anderson there. I'm not anymore impressed with the players in the #23-26 range than I am with Vaughn who Draftexpress has us taking.
Doubtful though, it took two 2nd round picks last year for Miami to move up just two spots so they could grab Napier.
Harrell's top NBA comparison is Al Farouq-Aminu, but he also sees Patrick Patterson and our own Ed Davis as part of his top five comparisons. I bet, like Aminu, he'll rotate between small and power forwards on defense and dunk frequently on offense (like Davis does). I think the late 1st round is right for him. I have my primary mock slot him at 35th, but my top 15 comp mock has him roughly at 24th. I'd be more comfortable getting him at 34th than 27th though.
I'm just not that crazy about Justin Anderson's game. Dude ranked about 70th in my mock, and I had to check my calculations to see if that was an error (no it wasn't). And I found out the reason why when I did my top 15 comp mock today: none of his top 15 comparisons are interesting whatsoever. Amazing for someone so touted as a surefire first rounder. The guy was able to hit my top 40 with the t10 comp mock, and while he has little downside, he has virtually zero upside. His top five comps? Kyle Singler, Orlando Johnson, Solomon Hill, Jarvis Hayes and Wayne Ellington.
It's weird how all of my models hate Rashad Vaughn. He's in the 70s to 80s. While he's a freshman, what he was doing had zero upside according to the t15 comp mock, and ten of the fifteen names were underachievers or busts. His upside to me looks like Daequan Cook or Rashad McCants, but there's also a good chance he'll bust out.
RHJ is definitely a reasonable pick if available at 27th (22nd in primary mock, 28th in t15 mock). His top four comparisons? Jeffrey Taylor, Al-Farouq Aminu, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and PJ Tucker. That's definitely a workable role player here.
Star Wars has few data points, but he kills it within those few--it's hard to tell what he is, but heck, I'm willing to draft him at 27th. He's just very interesting statistically and also in physical tools.
Upshaw is another guy I'd go for at 27th if still available; he hits many of the defensive stopper comparisons, with DeAndre Jordan, Omer Asik and Rudy Gobert all registering. If you want a lower pick version of WCS, he's the guy to get. He's even more loved by my primary mock, where he's 16th.
The stretch bigs who can't pass are polarizing in my t15 model, but people like Christian Wood are especially respected in my primary model (where he ranks 11th). T15 model? Aargh...54th. Only 1 high upside comparison, 7 bust comparisons, and his best comparisons are probably some hybrid of Charlie Villanueva and JaVale McGee. But taking the aggregate...still think he's definitely worth a look at 27th. He might be a project, but I think there's a good payoff here.
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I'm holding out for hope that 2 of the 3 out of Wood,Upshaw, and J.Anderson will fall to our 2 picks
Star Wars seems to be falling on draft boards so hopefully we can buy another 2nd rounder like we did with Clarkson and keep him overseas for another year. Bring him over in 2016 after we give up our 1st to Philly _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Always looking for a guy or 2 that slips. But have to be wary of "why" they slipped!
Package the 2 picks? Only if the FO really see something "extra" special...
It would be fantastic to see 2 of these guys join our #2 pick......
Trey Lyles (estimated 17th pick) ......Long, long shot, but if he slips to 20 and we trade our picks for him at 20 or so, long shot yes, but a slight chance still.
Rashad Vaughn over Justin Anderson due to age, Vaughn being 3 years younger. But still Anderson slipping to 27 would be a real nice steal for us.
Montrezl Harrell .....Bonafide beast. If he fell to 27 it would be a steal for us.
Christian Wood ...... I think he is one of the 2 or so guys in the 20's level of picks ( there are always a couple of them) that after all is said and done 'should" have been a early teens pick. he is a guy that might just be worth trading the 27 and 34 to get at 20/22.
Getting one of these guys at 27 would be ideal! It would be off of the charts to grab two of them at 27 and 34, having one of them slip to 34 would be something, but again, why did they slip will always be a concern...
Going for just wing players for example at this stage of the teams re-build/reload, would not be the best way to go, too many holes. I would just go with best player available....
At 34....Best case IMO.....
Rakeem Christmas 23.5 years old, but will be a core player from the bench right from the get go.
Dakari Johnson ....legit 7 footer, only 19. At 34 I think a steal.
Guys, we have the 2nd pick. We can relax with whomever the Lakers select at 27 or 34 (assuming one or both aren't traded). We got this. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Guys, we have the 2nd pick. We can relax with whomever the Lakers select at 27 or 34 (assuming one or both aren't traded). We got this.
I'm hoping Lakers can flip #27, #34 and Hill --> about $10-11 mil? and get some defensive wing like Iguodala/Ariza
I wouldn't pick up Hill's option in the chance that a deal doesn't go through. Then you've wiped nearly half of the 22.5m in cap space off the table. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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