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Batguano
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| Can you also post all the players picked after #1 in all those drafts? |
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non-player zealot
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| rockyp wrote: | | Give you post a list of the top 3 picks as well? Thanks. |
Purely for context here. List of the 3rd picks. JUST LIKE WITH THE 1ST and 2ND PICKS.....there are great ones and there are reeeeeally bad ones.
Don't get spooked.
2014 - Joel Embiid (PHI)
2013 - Otto Porter (DC)
2012 - Bradley Beal (DC)
2011 - Enes Kanter (UTA)
2010 - Derrick Favors (NJ)
2009 - James Harden (OKC)
2008 - OJ Mayo (MIN)
2007 - Al Horford (ATL)
2006 - Adam Morrison (CHA)
2005 - Deron Williams (UTA)
2004 - Ben Gordon (CHI)
2003 - Carmelo Anthony (DEN)
2002 - Mike Dunleavy (GS)
2001 - Pau Gasol (MEM)
2000 - Darius Miles (LAC)
1999 - Baron Davis (CHA)
1998 - Raef LaFrentz (DEN)
1997 - Chauncey Billups (BOS)
1996 - Shareef Abdur-Rahim (VAN)
1995 - Jerry Stackhouse (PHI)
1994 - Grant Hill (DET)
1993 - Penny Hardaway (GS)
1992 - Christian Laettner (MIN)
1991 - Billy Owens (GS)
1990 - Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (DEN)
1989 - Sean Elliott (SA)
1988 - Charles Smith (PHI)
1987 - Dennis Hopson (NJ)
1986 - Chris Washburn (GS)
1985 - Benoit Benjamin (LAC)
1984 - Michael Jordan (CHI) <- never heard of him
1983 - Rodney McCray (HOU)
1982 - Dominique Wilkins (UTA)
1981 - Buck Williams (NJ)
1980 - Kevin McHale (BOS)
1979 - Bill Cartwright (NY)
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999
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| Batguano wrote: | | Can you also post all the players picked after #1 in all those drafts? |
2014 Andrew Wiggins Cleveland Cavaliers Kansas
2013 Anthony Bennett Cleveland Cavaliers UNLV
2012 Anthony Davis New Orleans Hornets University of Kentucky
2011 Kyrie Irving Cleveland Cavaliers Duke University
2010 John Wall Washington Wizards University of Kentucky
2009 Blake Griffin Los Angeles Clippers University of Oklahoma
2008 Derrick Rose Chicago Bulls University of Memphis
2007 Greg Oden Portland Trail Blazers Ohio State University
2006 Andrea Bargnani Toronto Raptors
2005 Andrew Bogut Milwaukee Bucks University of Utah
2004 Dwight Howard Orlando Magic
2003 LeBron James Cleveland Cavaliers
2002 Yao Ming Houston Rockets
2001 Kwame Brown Washington Wizards
2000 Kenyon Martin New Jersey Nets University of Cincinnati
1999 Elton Brand Chicago Bulls Duke University
1998 Michael Olowokandi Los Angeles Clippers University of the Pacific
1997 Tim Duncan San Antonio Spurs Wake Forest University
1996 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers Georgetown University
1995 Joe Smith Golden State Warriors University of Maryland
1994 Glenn Robinson Milwaukee Bucks Purdue University
1993 Chris Webber Orlando Magic University of Michigan
1992 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic Louisiana State University
1991 Larry Johnson Charlotte Hornets University of Nevada, Las Vegas
1990 Derrick Coleman New Jersey Nets Syracuse University
1989 Pervis Ellison Sacramento Kings University of Louisville
1988 Danny Manning Los Angeles Clippers University of Kansas
1987 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs United States Naval Academy
1986 Brad Daugherty Cleveland Cavaliers University of North Carolina
1985 Patrick Ewing New York Knicks Georgetown University
1984 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston Rockets University of Houston
1983 Ralph Sampson Houston Rockets University of Virginia
1982 James Worthy Los Angeles Lakers University of North Carolina
1981 Mark Aguirre Dallas Mavericks DePaul University
1980 Joe Barry Carroll Golden State Warriors Purdue University
1979 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers Michigan State University
1978 Mychal Thompson Portland Trail Blazers University of Minnesota
1977 Kent Benson Milwaukee Bucks Indiana University
1976 John Lucas Houston Rockets University of Maryland
1975 David Thompson Atlanta Hawks North Carolina State University
1974 Bill Walton Portland Trail Blazers University of California, Los Angeles
1973 Doug Collins Philadelphia 76ers Illinois State University
1972 LaRue Martin Portland Trail Blazers Loyola University of Chicago
1971 Austin Carr Cleveland Cavaliers University of Notre Dame
1970 Bob Lanier Detroit Pistons St. Bonaventure University
1969 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee Bucks University of California, Los Angeles
1968 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets University of Houston
1967 Jimmy Walker Detroit Pistons Providence College
1966 Cazzie Russell New York Knicks University of Michigan
1965 Fred Hetzel San Francisco Warriors Davidson College
1964 Jim Barnes New York Knicks University of Texas at El Paso
1963 Art Heyman New York Knicks Duke University
1962 Bill McGill Chicago Zephyrs University of Utah
1961 Walt Bellamy Chicago Packers Indiana University
1960 Oscar Robertson Cincinnati Royals University of Cincinnati
1959 Bob Boozer Cincinnati Royals Kansas State University
1958 Elgin Baylor Minneapolis Lakers Seattle University
1957 Hot Rod Hundley Cincinnati Royals West Virginia University
1956 Si Green Rochester Royals Duquesne University
1955 Dick Ricketts St. Louis Hawks Duquesne University
1954 Frank Selvy Baltimore Bullets (1st) Furman University
1953 Ray Felix Baltimore Bullets (1st) Long Island University
1952 Mark Workman Milwaukee Hawks West Virginia University
1951 Gene Melchiorre Baltimore Bullets (1st) Bradley University
1950 Chuck Share Boston Celtics Bowling Green State University
1949 Howie Shannon Providence Steam Rollers Kansas State University
1948 Andy Tonkovich Providence Steam Rollers Marshall University
1947 Clifton McNeeley Pittsburgh Ironmen University of Texas at El Paso |
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I see it more like %10 chance of a HOF coming aboard. Just 4 of the 34 or so below are real deal HOF's if you ask me. Aldridge still up in the air....
2014 Jabari Parker Milwaukee Bucks
2013 Victor Oladipo Indiana Orlando
2012 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Kentucky Charlotte
2011 Derrick Williams Arizona Minnesota
2010 Evan Turner Ohio State Philadelphia
2009 Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut Memphis
2008 Michael Beasley Kansas St. Miami
2007 Kevin Durant Texas Seattle
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge Texas Chicago
2005 Marvin Williams UNC Fr. Atlanta
2004 Emeka Okafor UConn Jr. Charlotte
2003 Darko Milicic Serbia 1985 Detroit
2002 Jay Williams Duke Jr. Chicago
2001 Tyson Chandler Dominguez HSSs. LA Clippers
2000 Stromile Swift LSU So. Vancouver
1999 Steve Francis Maryland Jr. Vancouver
1998 Mike Bibby Arizona Vancouver
1997 Keith Van Horn Utah Philadelphia
1996 Marcus Camby Massachusetts Toronto
1995 Antonio McDyess Alabama LA Clippers
1994 Jason Kidd California Dallas
1993 Shawn Bradley Brigham Young Philadelphia
1992 Alonzo Mourning Georgetown NO Hornets
1991 Kenny Anderson Georgia Tech New Jersey
1990 Gary Payton Oregon State Seattle
1989 Danny Ferry Duke LA Clippers
1988 Rik Smits Marist Indiana
1987 Armon Gilliam Nevada-Las Vegas Phoenix
1986 Len Bias Maryland Boston
1985 Wayman Tisdale Oklahoma Indiana
1984 Sam Bowie Kentucky Portlandl
1983 Steve Stipanovich Missouri Indiana
1982 Terry Cummings DePaul San Diego
1981 Isiah Thomas Indiana Detroit
1980 Darrell Griffith Louisville Utah |
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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When it comes down to drafts where big men (PF/C) are the #1 and #2 pick, there have been a few exceptions like Brown, Chandler in 2000 and Bargnani, Aldridge in 2006, but history generally doesn't favor the team picking second getting the better big man.
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cathy78
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| Sounds like building through the draft and all that tanking is a myth. Trading for proven players is the way to go. |
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Lakers2001
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| cathy78 wrote: | | Sounds like building through the draft and all that tanking is a myth. Trading for proven players is the way to go. |
Thats whats scares you the most. All that tanking only to draft a bust. Its not like the NFL were you can get Tom bradys in the later rounds. If i had to take a guess i'd say Towns is the more likely bust. |
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cathy78
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Lakers2001 wrote: | | cathy78 wrote: | | Sounds like building through the draft and all that tanking is a myth. Trading for proven players is the way to go. |
Thats whats scares you the most. All that tanking only to draft a bust. Its not like the NFL were you can get Tom bradys in the later rounds. If i had to take a guess i'd say Towns is the more likely bust. |
Then let Minnesota have him.
I really dislike this tank idea even more after seeing those lists. Of course it still is a cheap way to make money with your franchise. But this is the Lakers. Not some cheap franchise going for the quick bucks... |
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Bballguru5000
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | rockyp wrote: | | Give you post a list of the top 3 picks as well? Thanks. |
Purely for context here. List of the 3rd picks. JUST LIKE WITH THE 1ST and 2ND PICKS.....there are great ones and there are reeeeeally bad ones.
Don't get spooked.
2014 - Joel Embiid (PHI)
2013 - Otto Porter (DC)
2012 - Bradley Beal (DC)
2011 - Enes Kanter (UTA)
2010 - Derrick Favors (NJ)
2009 - James Harden (OKC)
2008 - OJ Mayo (MIN)
2007 - Al Horford (ATL)
2006 - Adam Morrison (CHA)
2005 - Deron Williams (UTA)
2004 - Ben Gordon (CHI)
2003 - Carmelo Anthony (DEN)
2002 - Mike Dunleavy (GS)
2001 - Pau Gasol (MEM)
2000 - Darius Miles (LAC)
1999 - Baron Davis (CHA)
1998 - Raef LaFrentz (DEN)
1997 - Chauncey Billups (BOS)
1996 - Shareef Abdur-Rahim (VAN)
1995 - Jerry Stackhouse (PHI)
1994 - Grant Hill (DET)
1993 - Penny Hardaway (GS)
1992 - Christian Laettner (MIN)
1991 - Billy Owens (GS)
1990 - Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (DEN)
1989 - Sean Elliott (SA)
1988 - Charles Smith (PHI)
1987 - Dennis Hopson (NJ)
1986 - Chris Washburn (GS)
1985 - Benoit Benjamin (LAC)
1984 - Michael Jordan (CHI) <- never heard of him
1983 - Rodney McCray (HOU)
1982 - Dominique Wilkins (UTA)
1981 - Buck Williams (NJ)
1980 - Kevin McHale (BOS)
1979 - Bill Cartwright (NY) |
Even if one takes out that guy in 1984 whom no one has ever heard of, this list seems more impressive that the list of #2 picks. |
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999
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| FreakofNature wrote: | I see it more like %10 chance of a HOF coming aboard. Just 4 of the 34 or so below are real deal HOF's if you ask me. Aldridge still up in the air....
2014 Jabari Parker Milwaukee Bucks
2013 Victor Oladipo Indiana Orlando
2012 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Kentucky Charlotte
2011 Derrick Williams Arizona Minnesota
2010 Evan Turner Ohio State Philadelphia
2009 Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut Memphis
2008 Michael Beasley Kansas St. Miami
2007 Kevin Durant Texas Seattle
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge Texas Chicago
2005 Marvin Williams UNC Fr. Atlanta
2004 Emeka Okafor UConn Jr. Charlotte
2003 Darko Milicic Serbia 1985 Detroit
2002 Jay Williams Duke Jr. Chicago
2001 Tyson Chandler Dominguez HSSs. LA Clippers
2000 Stromile Swift LSU So. Vancouver
1999 Steve Francis Maryland Jr. Vancouver
1998 Mike Bibby Arizona Vancouver
1997 Keith Van Horn Utah Philadelphia
1996 Marcus Camby Massachusetts Toronto
1995 Antonio McDyess Alabama LA Clippers
1994 Jason Kidd California Dallas
1993 Shawn Bradley Brigham Young Philadelphia
1992 Alonzo Mourning Georgetown NO Hornets
1991 Kenny Anderson Georgia Tech New Jersey
1990 Gary Payton Oregon State Seattle
1989 Danny Ferry Duke LA Clippers
1988 Rik Smits Marist Indiana
1987 Armon Gilliam Nevada-Las Vegas Phoenix
1986 Len Bias Maryland Boston
1985 Wayman Tisdale Oklahoma Indiana
1984 Sam Bowie Kentucky Portlandl
1983 Steve Stipanovich Missouri Indiana
1982 Terry Cummings DePaul San Diego
1981 Isiah Thomas Indiana Detroit
1980 Darrell Griffith Louisville Utah |
Jason Kidd and Alonzo Mourning are not HOF material? |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| FreakofNature wrote: | I see it more like %10 chance of a HOF coming aboard. Just 4 of the 34 or so below are real deal HOF's if you ask me. Aldridge still up in the air....
2014 Jabari Parker Milwaukee Bucks
2013 Victor Oladipo Indiana Orlando
2012 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Kentucky Charlotte
2011 Derrick Williams Arizona Minnesota
2010 Evan Turner Ohio State Philadelphia
2009 Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut Memphis
2008 Michael Beasley Kansas St. Miami
2007 Kevin Durant Texas Seattle
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge Texas Chicago
2005 Marvin Williams UNC Fr. Atlanta
2004 Emeka Okafor UConn Jr. Charlotte
2003 Darko Milicic Serbia 1985 Detroit
2002 Jay Williams Duke Jr. Chicago
2001 Tyson Chandler Dominguez HSSs. LA Clippers
2000 Stromile Swift LSU So. Vancouver
1999 Steve Francis Maryland Jr. Vancouver
1998 Mike Bibby Arizona Vancouver
1997 Keith Van Horn Utah Philadelphia
1996 Marcus Camby Massachusetts Toronto
1995 Antonio McDyess Alabama LA Clippers
1994 Jason Kidd California Dallas
1993 Shawn Bradley Brigham Young Philadelphia
1992 Alonzo Mourning Georgetown NO Hornets
1991 Kenny Anderson Georgia Tech New Jersey
1990 Gary Payton Oregon State Seattle
1989 Danny Ferry Duke LA Clippers
1988 Rik Smits Marist Indiana
1987 Armon Gilliam Nevada-Las Vegas Phoenix
1986 Len Bias Maryland Boston
1985 Wayman Tisdale Oklahoma Indiana
1984 Sam Bowie Kentucky Portlandl
1983 Steve Stipanovich Missouri Indiana
1982 Terry Cummings DePaul San Diego
1981 Isiah Thomas Indiana Detroit
1980 Darrell Griffith Louisville Utah |
Mourning was inducted into the HOF recently. |
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the sample size is much too small and variables much too large to use history as a predictor of something as ridiculously complex as essentially what comes down to predicting an individual's future.
we just gotta trust in mitch, which is easy to do. |
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unleasHell
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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And MJ was picked 3rd
Kobe 13th
KG 5th
Dirk 9th
Melo 3rd
Wade 5th
It's always a crap shoot...!
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| Over the past 35 years, five of the #2 picks have made the Hall or are likely to make it (Mourning, Durant, Payton, Thomas, Kidd). But that doesn't mean there is some formula that 1 out of every 7 #2 picks will make the Hall. There isn't any reasonable way to predict what chance an unknown #2 pick has to make the Hall. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | And MJ was picked 3rd
Kobe 13th
KG 5th
Dirk 9th
Melo 3rd
Wade 5th
It's always a crap shoot...! |
Not really. No team in the last 35 years has won a title without a top 5 pick on their team.
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Bballguru5000 wrote: |
Even if one takes out that guy in 1984 whom no one has ever heard of, this list seems more impressive that the list of #2 picks. |
Well, we were lucky enough to have Adam Morrison. How bout that?
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Is Jason Kidd not a HOF ?
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I just dont get how all the evaluators , scouts, media, Coaches, GMs etc.. after wacthing these kids throught a entire college hoops season STILL get it WRONG. Was Kobe 13th because he was a HS kid? Did anybody in 1984 after wacthing MJ at Nc really believe he was only 3rd best in that draft?
Whats funny is you would think with all the advanced stats now Busts should be even rare now than 20 years ago. But every year the Wes Johnsons and Anthony Bennetts of the world get picked very high. Could it just be that different factors other than talent play into being a BUST? Like team drafted by, $$$ as in some of these kids reach that point and decide to just give up improving?
I prediction is out of the top 14 this year only 2 will be superstars and a 3rd on will be a somewhat all-star. And no i dont think both Towns and Oakfor will be two superstar bigmen studs , one of them will Bust or fail to live up. I just hope we pick the right one |
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A lot of it depends on the environment in which they enter the league... the teammates, coaches, surrounding them early to shape their foundation.
I'd reasonably bet that if Kawhi was in a Charlotte scenario he'd be nowhere near the player he is today with the Spurs... |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Maybe it's also fun to see which picks became rookie of the year
All lists aside, I think it's great to have a #2 pick in a draft that includes two very talented big men  |
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Over the past 35 years, five of the #2 picks have made the Hall or are likely to make it (Mourning, Durant, Payton, Thomas, Kidd). But that doesn't mean there is some formula that 1 out of every 7 #2 picks will make the Hall. There isn't any reasonable way to predict what chance an unknown #2 pick has to make the Hall. |
What is concerning is that the #2 pick has really only produced a top-5 player in that draft (in hindsight) 4 times in the last 20 years.
In the modern draft, you're as just as likely to draft a star at #9 as you're at #2. |
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| misterrunon wrote: | | Basing the past history of #2 picks and projecting it on how the #2 pick will turn out this year is just superstition. |
Lets take this farce one step further..
#2 picks from Duke...
Jabari Parker
Jay Williams
Danny Ferry
That settles it, Okafor is going to be injured so I guess we have to take Russell. |
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999
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | And MJ was picked 3rd
Kobe 13th
KG 5th
Dirk 9th
Melo 3rd
Wade 5th
It's always a crap shoot...! |
When was the last time a good player was picked 7th |
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | And MJ was picked 3rd
Kobe 13th
KG 5th
Dirk 9th
Melo 3rd
Wade 5th
It's always a crap shoot...! |
When was the last time a good player was picked 7th |
Last great player Steph Curry. |
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