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 Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 11:59 pm Post subject: All USA High School player of the year a Better Indicator to Judge NBA Success? |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today_All-USA_high_school_basketball_team
Not a lot of flops in the history of that list.
1987-1988 Alonzo Mourning Indian River High School Chesapeake, VA Georgetown 1st Round - 2nd Pick of 1992 (Hornets)
1988-1989 Kenny Anderson Archbishop Molloy High School Queens, NY Georgia Tech 1st Round - 2nd Pick of 1991 (Nets)
1989-1990 Damon Bailey Bedford North Lawrence High School Bedford, IN Indiana 2nd Round - 44th Pick of 1992 (Pacers)
1990-1991 Chris Webber Detroit Country Day School Beverly Hills, MI Michigan 1st Round - 1st Pick of 1993 (Magic)
1991-1992 Jason Kidd St. Joseph Notre Dame High School Alameda, CA California 1st Round - 2nd Pick of 1994 (Mavs)
1992-1993 Rasheed Wallace Simon Gratz High School Philadelphia, PA North Carolina 1st Round - 4th Pick of 1995 (Bullets)
1993-1994 Felipe Lopez Rice High School New York, NY St. John's 1st Round - 24th Pick of 1998 (Spurs)
1994-1995 Kevin Garnett Farragut Career Academy Chicago, IL Direct to NBA 1st Round - 5th Pick of 1995 (Timberwolves)
1995-1996 Kobe Bryant Lower Merion High School Lower Merion, PA Direct to NBA 1st Round - 13th Pick of 1996 (Hornets)
1996-1997 Tracy McGrady Mount Zion Christian Academy Durham, NC Direct to NBA 1st Round - 9th Pick of 1997 (Raptors)
1997-1998 Al Harrington St. Patrick High School Elizabeth, NJ Direct to NBA 1st Round - 25th Pick of 1998 (Pacers)
1998-1999 Donnell Harvey Randolph Clay High School Cuthbert, GA Florida 1st Round - 22nd Pick of 2000 (Knicks)
1999-2000 Gerald Wallace Childersburg High School Childersburg, AL Alabama 1st Round - 25th Pick of 2001 (Kings)
2000-2001 Dajuan Wagner Camden High School Camden, NJ Memphis 1st Round - 6th Pick of 2002 (Cavs)
2001-2002 LeBron James St. Vincent – St. Mary High School Akron, OH Direct to NBA 1st Round - 1st Pick of 2003 (Cavs)
2002-2003 LeBron James St. Vincent – St. Mary High School Akron, OH Direct to NBA 1st Round - 1st Pick of 2003 (Cavs)
2003-2004 Dwight Howard Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy Atlanta, GA Direct to NBA 1st Round - 1st Pick of 2004 (Magic)
2004-2005 Greg Oden Lawrence North High School Indianapolis, IN Ohio State 1st Round - 1st Pick of 2007 (Blazers)
2005-2006 Greg Oden Lawrence North High School Indianapolis, IN Ohio State 1st Round - 1st Pick of 2007 (Blazers)
2006-2007 Kevin Love Lake Oswego High School Lake Oswego, OR UCLA 1st Round - 5th Pick of 2008 (Grizzlies)
2007-2008 Samardo Samuels Saint Benedict's Preparatory School (Newark, NJ) Trelawny Parish, Jamaica Louisville Undrafted in the 2010 NBA Draft
2008-2009 Derrick Favors South Atlanta High School Atlanta, GA Georgia Tech 1st Round - 3rd Pick of 2010 (Nets)
2009-2010 Harrison Barnes Ames High School Ames, IA North Carolina 1st Round - 7th Pick of 2012 (Warriors)
2010-2011 Austin Rivers Winter Park High School Winter Park, FL Duke 1st Round - 10th Pick of 2012 (Hornets)
2011-2012 Nerlens Noel Tilton School (Tilton, NH) Everett, MA Kentucky 1st Round - 6th Pick of 2013 (Pelicans)
2012-2013 Andrew Wiggins Vaughan (Vaughan, Ontario)
Huntington Prep
(Huntington, West Virginia) Toronto, ON Kansas 1st Round - 1st Pick of 2014 (Cavaliers; traded to Timberwolves)
2013-2014 Jahlil Okafor Whitney Young (Chicago, IL) Fort Smith, AR Duke Eligible for the 2015 NBA draft.
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| Chronicle wrote: | | Austin Rivers |
After looking at that list of top flight players (better then a #1 overall draft pick list), that's the name you're going to pull out from it?
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Since 07-08 it's been hit and miss really
but tbh we can't go wrong at 2 since there are 2 great players
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Chronicle wrote: | Since 07-08 it's been hit and miss really
but tbh we can't go wrong at 2 since there are 2 great players |
My point is, think about when these assessments are made. Even before college. Okafor rising to the top speaks highly. Even a "bust" like Greg Oden was not a bust. His body just didn't hold up. He broke down faster than even Bynum.
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| Chronicle wrote: | Since 07-08 it's been hit and miss really
but tbh we can't go wrong at 2 since there are 2 great players |
I thinks that more because since 07-08, the amount of elite talent coming into the NBA has dropped off. just look back over the NBA draft since 2009, not alot of elite players. especially in the 2010, 2011, and 2013 classes. |
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Frosh year is a key development year.
Also, every draft crop is different.
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8-10 HOF/elite type players on that list since 88. Love and Wiggins being the 9 and 10 ones.
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Actually up to 11, I forgot to count Dwight Howard my first go around.
Zo
Kidd
Webber
Sheed
Kobe
Tmac
Lebronze
Dwight
Love
Wiggins
KG
Not to mention players whom still are very good after those elite names.
Noel
Harrington
Gerald Wallace
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Thank you GonzagaAlum, this is a fascinating list (McDonalds HS ASG)
A big reason the list members did so good in the past, and maybe not much more recently is this whole "high-school" --> NBA situation (with or without the one year college rental)
I do believe that the McDonalds list is to date the best "indicator" of future success in the NBA: certainly much more so than previous year NBA #2 picks
We're good with Okafor (McDonalds, HANDS, offense) or Towns (two way)... We'll let Minnesota do us a favor by picking their (and our) pick 
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Dajuan Wagner?
Austin Rivers?
Samardo Samuels |
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| GonzagaAlum wrote: | Actually up to 11, I forgot to count Dwight Howard my first go around.
Zo
Kidd
Webber
Sheed
Kobe
Tmac
Lebronze
Dwight
Love
Wiggins
KG
Not to mention players whom still are very good after those elite names.
Noel
Harrington
Gerald Wallace
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Noel will be elite in my opinion, at least defensively.
So 25 names (Lebron and Oden 2x) you got 15 very good players it's a good indicator IMO. |
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Absolutely an amazing predictor. Compare that to lets say the high school football prep player of the year... I doubt you get close to that, or baseball
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