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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Its about time to pull rank!!

I haven't done this since the Del Harris days, when Kobe was a rookie, but the time is coming and I am strongly considering recommending to Phil that he plays Andrew more extensively. Phone calls are hitting our offices at an increase rate.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:02 am    Post subject:

Play Drew More!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject:

Keep out of it. Let him develop at his own rate, and don't forget the guy is only 18. No back-to-backs for Drew, and maybe play him every four games.

It is a looooooong season and we need to remember that kids his age (especially big guys) normally only play a couple of games a season, like in college. We don't want another Bender on our hands.

"He's got an appetite, he's got a heart for the game, and we're trying to milk-feed it the right way so he grows up to be a real solid player," Jackson said.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject:

First, your answers make no sense. You're answering a question WITH a question.

Second, using the first one AS an answer ... KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF IT and add THANK GOD FANS DON'T MAKE TEAM DECISIONS!!! Phil is bringing him along PERFECTLY. He is not about to jeopardise Bynum's career to fulfill the instant gratification that so many fans demand. All you need to do is look at Kwame's career and see what happens when you force an 18 year old into a heavy NBA schedule too soon. Phil is picking his spots and building Bynum's confidence with almost every appearance. You can see it in Bynum's face when he comes in now. He HAS confidence. But you want to ruin that by sticking him in against legit defense playing centers.

Playing him against Curry was perfect. A big center who plays VERY soft defense and is not nearly as quick as The Kid. Same is true for Fat Snaq at this stage of his career. Had he played against Ben Wallace I guarantee he would have had his confidence shaken.

If you need instant gratification ... go rent a porn film ... but leave the future of our franchise in the hands of the experts.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject:

Absolutely!

Let Phil handle the Andrew situation! The kid is going to be straight money. Remember Jax didn't really want to babysit the kid in the first place so don't piss him off by not letting him bring the kid up right...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject:

It cracks me up, when people talk about these MEN as if they are fragile little girls. I was in the army when I was 18 and the drill Sgt. would've laughed if I demanded to brought along like a little girl. These guys are highly paid, big, strong men!! Let them earn their pay, and play them. If these men need to be treated like babies, then that tells me a lot about NBA players.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject:

Talk to some of your other players Jerry. Honestly, if they could get some stability out there to the point where Kobe doesn't have to score 20 points in a quarter to keep us in the game, we could get AB more minutes.

Until then, just be happy your "other" center (remember him?) is looking like a real bargain at $3.7 million.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:05 am    Post subject:

golden1 wrote:
It cracks me up, when people talk about these MEN as if they are fragile little girls. I was in the army when I was 18 and the drill Sgt. would've laughed if I demanded to brought along like a little girl. These guys are highly paid, big, strong men!! Let them earn their pay, and play them. If these men need to be treated like babies, then that tells me a lot about NBA players.


But golden, would you be expected to be in the front lines until age 35 or 36? Or can you expect to be some sort of officer who tells his grunts to go in the foxhole? (That's not a rhetorical question, I have no clue how the military works.)

In any case, 82 games a season + playoffs for 10+ years takes a toll on the knees for a big guy. Same way baseball teams don't want their young guys pitching too many curve balls to mess up their shoulder. We'd want to do our best to make sure our young guys develop fully before they go through the rigors of a full season.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject:

I would love to see him play more, but he's still growing. I dont know what the risks are in regards to too much Playing time and his joints. They're smart, he is being put into situations where he can succeed. Confidence in this league is as important as anything
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Its about time to pull rank!!

Dr.JerryBuss wrote:
I haven't done this since the Del Harris days, when Kobe was a rookie, but the time is coming and I am strongly considering recommending to Phil that he plays Andrew more extensively. Phone calls are hitting our offices at an increase rate.


I think the mods should pull rank by banning this nobody pretending to be Jerry Buss
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Its about time to pull rank!!

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Dr.JerryBuss wrote:
I haven't done this since the Del Harris days, when Kobe was a rookie, but the time is coming and I am strongly considering recommending to Phil that he plays Andrew more extensively. Phone calls are hitting our offices at an increase rate.


I think the mods should pull rank by banning this nobody pretending to be Jerry Buss


Let him alone, he's been doing that for years... It's fun stuff...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject:

Give him 5 more minutes and if he performs well, keep him in the game Phil
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject:

pokoy wrote:
golden1 wrote:
It cracks me up, when people talk about these MEN as if they are fragile little girls. I was in the army when I was 18 and the drill Sgt. would've laughed if I demanded to brought along like a little girl. These guys are highly paid, big, strong men!! Let them earn their pay, and play them. If these men need to be treated like babies, then that tells me a lot about NBA players.


But golden, would you be expected to be in the front lines until age 35 or 36? Or can you expect to be some sort of officer who tells his grunts to go in the foxhole? (That's not a rhetorical question, I have no clue how the military works.)

In any case, 82 games a season + playoffs for 10+ years takes a toll on the knees for a big guy. Same way baseball teams don't want their young guys pitching too many curve balls to mess up their shoulder. We'd want to do our best to make sure our young guys develop fully before they go through the rigors of a full season.

Trials & tribulations are what make or break people. Look at Kobe and what he went through, he is now much stronger for it, Kwame on the hand seems to have been broken by it. One never knows how one will respond under fire unless they exprience it. Another example, Bynum was knocked down hard by Shaq and what does Bynum do? He gets up dusts himself off and proceeds to shake and bake Shaq and dunk on him. He's ready. I'm not saying play him 40 min. but play him-period.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject:

golden1 wrote:
pokoy wrote:
golden1 wrote:
It cracks me up, when people talk about these MEN as if they are fragile little girls. I was in the army when I was 18 and the drill Sgt. would've laughed if I demanded to brought along like a little girl. These guys are highly paid, big, strong men!! Let them earn their pay, and play them. If these men need to be treated like babies, then that tells me a lot about NBA players.


But golden, would you be expected to be in the front lines until age 35 or 36? Or can you expect to be some sort of officer who tells his grunts to go in the foxhole? (That's not a rhetorical question, I have no clue how the military works.)

In any case, 82 games a season + playoffs for 10+ years takes a toll on the knees for a big guy. Same way baseball teams don't want their young guys pitching too many curve balls to mess up their shoulder. We'd want to do our best to make sure our young guys develop fully before they go through the rigors of a full season.

Trials & tribulations are what make or break people. Look at Kobe and what he went through, he is now much stronger for it, Kwame on the hand seems to have been broken by it. One never knows how one will respond under fire unless they exprience it. Another example, Bynum was knocked down hard by Shaq and what does Bynum do? He gets up dusts himself off and proceeds to shake and bake Shaq and dunk on him. He's ready. I'm not saying play him 40 min. but play him-period.


I agree, give the boy some playing time. The performance he put on last night was spectacular. I know he's still young, but I think he earneda few minutes a game last night, I really do.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject:

golden1 wrote:
pokoy wrote:
golden1 wrote:
It cracks me up, when people talk about these MEN as if they are fragile little girls. I was in the army when I was 18 and the drill Sgt. would've laughed if I demanded to brought along like a little girl. These guys are highly paid, big, strong men!! Let them earn their pay, and play them. If these men need to be treated like babies, then that tells me a lot about NBA players.


But golden, would you be expected to be in the front lines until age 35 or 36? Or can you expect to be some sort of officer who tells his grunts to go in the foxhole? (That's not a rhetorical question, I have no clue how the military works.)

In any case, 82 games a season + playoffs for 10+ years takes a toll on the knees for a big guy. Same way baseball teams don't want their young guys pitching too many curve balls to mess up their shoulder. We'd want to do our best to make sure our young guys develop fully before they go through the rigors of a full season.

Trials & tribulations are what make or break people. Look at Kobe and what he went through, he is now much stronger for it, Kwame on the hand seems to have been broken by it. One never knows how one will respond under fire unless they exprience it. Another example, Bynum was knocked down hard by Shaq and what does Bynum do? He gets up dusts himself off and proceeds to shake and bake Shaq and dunk on him. He's ready. I'm not saying play him 40 min. but play him-period.


Then I'm guessing we might be on the same page here because we all agree that Socks has something to contribute. I definitely don't think he should ride the pine for the entire season and only play non-meaningful minutes, but I also don't think he should play more than 24 minutes a game, and I definitely don't think he should play in back-to-back games (or play him limited minutes in both). Overworking the kid is not an option, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: Its about time to pull rank!!

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NoHarmNoFoul wrote:
Dr.JerryBuss wrote:
I haven't done this since the Del Harris days, when Kobe was a rookie, but the time is coming and I am strongly considering recommending to Phil that he plays Andrew more extensively. Phone calls are hitting our offices at an increase rate.


I think the mods should pull rank by banning this nobody pretending to be Jerry Buss


Let him alone, he's been doing that for years... It's fun stuff...


Welcome back Dr. Buss! I was starting to get worried because we hadn't heard from you in a while. I think that you should do whatever you think is best. You're the owner. However, here's a suggestion...rotate in Devin Green!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:41 am    Post subject:

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golden1 wrote:
pokoy wrote:
golden1 wrote:
It cracks me up, when people talk about these MEN as if they are fragile little girls. I was in the army when I was 18 and the drill Sgt. would've laughed if I demanded to brought along like a little girl. These guys are highly paid, big, strong men!! Let them earn their pay, and play them. If these men need to be treated like babies, then that tells me a lot about NBA players.


But golden, would you be expected to be in the front lines until age 35 or 36? Or can you expect to be some sort of officer who tells his grunts to go in the foxhole? (That's not a rhetorical question, I have no clue how the military works.)

In any case, 82 games a season + playoffs for 10+ years takes a toll on the knees for a big guy. Same way baseball teams don't want their young guys pitching too many curve balls to mess up their shoulder. We'd want to do our best to make sure our young guys develop fully before they go through the rigors of a full season.

Trials & tribulations are what make or break people. Look at Kobe and what he went through, he is now much stronger for it, Kwame on the hand seems to have been broken by it. One never knows how one will respond under fire unless they exprience it. Another example, Bynum was knocked down hard by Shaq and what does Bynum do? He gets up dusts himself off and proceeds to shake and bake Shaq and dunk on him. He's ready. I'm not saying play him 40 min. but play him-period.


Then I'm guessing we might be on the same page here because we all agree that Socks has something to contribute. I definitely don't think he should ride the pine for the entire season and only play non-meaningful minutes, but I also don't think he should play more than 24 minutes a game, and I definitely don't think he should play in back-to-back games (or play him limited minutes in both). Overworking the kid is not an option, though.

Agreed.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Its about time to pull rank!!

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Dr.JerryBuss wrote:
I haven't done this since the Del Harris days, when Kobe was a rookie, but the time is coming and I am strongly considering recommending to Phil that he plays Andrew more extensively. Phone calls are hitting our offices at an increase rate.


I think the mods should pull rank by banning this nobody pretending to be Jerry Buss


Silence! He is for real. I know because I asked him.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject:

Make it happen Dr. Buss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject:

In all honest I like the way that the Lakers are handling the Bynum situation. Let the kid get a taste of the game here and there, blow outs, end of the quarters, etc. The kid has played no college and very little high school ball yet. As the season goes you will see him get more and more minutes, as his stamina increases and he continues to work with the team and Kareem. He's got every oppurtunity to be an impact player in the future and he's all of 18 years old. No need to put any kind of pressure on the kid yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject:

5-8 minutes a game isn't too much to ask for. The Lakers need energy off the bench and you see how all of his teammates get excited when Abomb does something positive.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Its about time to pull rank!!

The Dagger wrote:
NoHarmNoFoul wrote:
Dr.JerryBuss wrote:
I haven't done this since the Del Harris days, when Kobe was a rookie, but the time is coming and I am strongly considering recommending to Phil that he plays Andrew more extensively. Phone calls are hitting our offices at an increase rate.


I think the mods should pull rank by banning this nobody pretending to be Jerry Buss


Silence! He is for real. I know because I asked him.


And anyway, it's not like Jerry can do anything anymore. It's all about Jimmy now, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject:

Let's give the kid 12-15 minutes/game. I think he could handle that and it would aid his growth IMO. Maybe set up a reward allowance structure for him. He scores in double digits andf he get's a night hanging out with Hugh at the Playboy mansion. He goes for double digits in rebounds and it's backstage with Rodman and one of his Vegas parties full of girls. He goes off for 30pts and gotta get the kid a Ferrari. But 15 minutes is like his curfew. He's gotta be back on the bench by the 15 minute mark or he'll be put on restriction and have to take a timeout.

Bottom line, let's continue to do whatever Phil thinks is best. I haven't seen Phil screw up a kids head yet, so I'd go with what he thinks is best for the longhaul.

(After that New York game, you gotta reward the kid with with some of what an 18 year old wants most though; so invite his mom out to dinner so he can sneak away and play some bedpost hockey with anyone other than Kate Faber.)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject:

I think Phil is doing a good job developing Bynum considering he has the rest of the team to develop. There is no rush with Bynum. Maybe next year he'll scratch a consistent 9-10 minutes a game.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject:

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Keep out of it. Let him develop at his own rate, and don't forget the guy is only 18. No back-to-backs for Drew, and maybe play him every four games.



Agree, Pokoy. I have no complaints about the way Phil is handling Socks. His play pattern has given the young man a tremendous amount of confidence.
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