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Kingpin2010
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | Suddenly trading for Cousins seems like a brilliant idea.  |
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Cousins is a star, our youngsters are unknowns and the cap room useless. Call Vlade and ask him what it'll take |
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Suddenly trading for Cousins seems like a brilliant idea. |
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Stupid trade.
Throw away rebuilding our youth, to try and win NOW with Kobe and Cousins = 32 win team.
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Chad09
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Randle/Clarkson is more than fair value for someone like Cousins. |
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Rivershow
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Chad09 wrote: | | Randle/Clarkson is more than fair value for someone like Cousins. |
Thank god the lakers FO wouldn't do that. They appreciate the value of assets and not putting all you eggs in one unproven basket. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | Randle/Clarkson is more than fair value for someone like Cousins. |
Thank god the lakers FO wouldn't do that. They appreciate the value of assets and not putting all you eggs in one unproven basket. |
I think they would in - without hesitation. Especially now.
The problem is SAC wants Russ/#2 pick as well, and that's too much.
If we could pair Cousins with Russell - and have Kobe in there - I think Lakers take that running. They'd call it a great offseason. |
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THE_DAGGER
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I would like to have Rondo personally. But, it might also be a good idea from strategic point to get Cousins.
The Kings can't have him to bolster their current roster.
Cousins has said he was the best point guard as of 2 years ago.
Kobe is also known to be fond of him.
We're going to need a PG if we deal Russell.
And to top it all off, it'll more than likely be a 1 year deal. If it works out, great. Sign him to a longer contract. If not, let him go. |
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Rivershow
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | Randle/Clarkson is more than fair value for someone like Cousins. |
Thank god the lakers FO wouldn't do that. They appreciate the value of assets and not putting all you eggs in one unproven basket. |
I think they would in - without hesitation. Especially now.
The problem is SAC wants Russ/#2 pick as well, and that's too much.
If we could pair Cousins with Russell - and have Kobe in there - I think Lakers take that running. They'd call it a great offseason. |
I don't see the Lakers moving Randle AND Clarkson for Cousins. Especially if the FO believes one of them can turn into a star of Cousins caliber according to those who want Cousins stats. I believe a lot of you undervalue Randle/Clarkson but don't believe that our FO does. |
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Iron Mamba
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Don't forget that Sacramento just made a whole lot of moves tonight to win NOW, not build a youth rebuilding movement.
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Rivershow
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Iron Mamba wrote: | | Don't forget that Sacramento just made a whole lot of moves tonight to win NOW, not build a youth rebuilding movement. |
Yup all their moves have been to support Cousins even if they are stupid in implementation. |
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THE_DAGGER
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Everyone that wants to stand pat with our "young core" are basically saying we should tank.
The thing about that is our pick is only top 3 protected.
So you're hoping we suck so bad that we get a top 3 pick or we cross our fingers to move up like we did this year? That's the plan for some of you guys? 3 years in a row of being in the lottery is what you want? |
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BigBallerBrand
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| THE_DAGGER wrote: | Everyone that wants to stand pat with our "young core" are basically saying we should tank.
The thing about that is our pick is only top 3 protected.
So you're hoping we suck so bad that we get a top 3 pick or we cross our fingers to move up like we did this year? That's the plan for some of you guys? 3 years in a row of being in the lottery is what you want? |
It worked for OKC
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Rivershow
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| THE_DAGGER wrote: | Everyone that wants to stand pat with our "young core" are basically saying we should tank.
The thing about that is our pick is only top 3 protected.
So you're hoping we suck so bad that we get a top 3 pick or we cross our fingers to move up like we did this year? That's the plan for some of you guys? 3 years in a row of being in the lottery is what you want? |
Lol the people who advocate trading our assets for cousins act like we would all of sudden turn into a playoff team. You realize that sacramento was picking 6th in the lottery right? Having Cousins on your roster guarantees you nothing so I don't know why Cousins fans are so vociferous about trading our assets for him. |
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Iron Mamba
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| THE_DAGGER wrote: | Everyone that wants to stand pat with our "young core" are basically saying we should tank.
The thing about that is our pick is only top 3 protected.
So you're hoping we suck so bad that we get a top 3 pick or we cross our fingers to move up like we did this year? That's the plan for some of you guys? 3 years in a row of being in the lottery is what you want? |
We want our young core to start building chemistry.
See 2008 Oklahoma City Thunder team.
They just drafted Westbrook and Ibaka to partner with Durant. In just 2 seasons they went from 23 wins to 50 wins the next.
That's what we want, not another tank.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| This is the right way to rebuild. Russell, Randle, Clarkson play 30 to 35 mpg. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashlight wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Suddenly trading for Cousins seems like a brilliant idea. |
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Re-lock this thread. |
Stupid trade.
Throw away rebuilding our youth, to try and win NOW with Kobe and Cousins = 32 win team.
#reality
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Worst Case (Nightmare) Scenario:
1. Trade Russell/Randle for Cousins
2. Sign Rondo + JHill
Rondo
JC
Kobe
Cousins
Hill
30 wins, kobe retires, restart rebuilding from scratch in 2017.
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Lonzo-Lite
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| 67ShelbyGT wrote: | | Nashlight wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Suddenly trading for Cousins seems like a brilliant idea. |
PANIC BUTTON
Re-lock this thread. |
Stupid trade.
Throw away rebuilding our youth, to try and win NOW with Kobe and Cousins = 32 win team.
#reality
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Worst Case (Nightmare) Scenario:
1. Trade Russell/Randle for Cousins
2. Sign Rondo + JHill
Rondo
JC
Kobe
Cousins
Hill
30 wins, Kobe retires, restart rebuilding from scratch again in 2017.
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Exactly.
| Dave20 wrote: | | This is the right way to rebuild. Russell, Randle, Clarkson play 30 to 35 mpg. |
YES!
| Iron Mamba wrote: | We want our young core to start building chemistry.
See 2008 Oklahoma City Thunder team.
They just drafted Westbrook and Ibaka to partner with Durant. In just 2 seasons they went from 23 wins to 50 wins the next.
That's what we want, not another tank. |
YESSS!!!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Iron Mamba wrote: | | THE_DAGGER wrote: | Everyone that wants to stand pat with our "young core" are basically saying we should tank.
The thing about that is our pick is only top 3 protected.
So you're hoping we suck so bad that we get a top 3 pick or we cross our fingers to move up like we did this year? That's the plan for some of you guys? 3 years in a row of being in the lottery is what you want? |
We want our young core to start building chemistry.
See 2008 Oklahoma City Thunder team.
They just drafted Westbrook and Ibaka to partner with Durant. In just 2 seasons they went from 23 wins to 50 wins the next.
That's what we want, not another tank. |
this is lost on a lot of people... trying to win now would mean very little margin for errors on the rookies... Scott would bench them, let vets play, just to salvage wins... that would really derail the development of the kids.
Clarkson benefited a lot when Byron started to give him more minutes.
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| How many championships has OKC won? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| THE_DAGGER wrote: | | How many championships has OKC won? |
Your missing the point. When you just hit rock bottom it takes some time to get back on top. This isn't going to happen overnight. FA will be hesitant to come here and it's not because of Kobe or Lakers front office mess. It's because Lakers are not winning. Last season was the worst in Lakers history and if we start heading the other way the FA will start looking towards LA.
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Iron Mamba
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| THE_DAGGER wrote: | | How many championships has OKC won? |
Ask Golden State, they did the same thing by rebuilding through their draft with Curry, Klay, and Green.
Or better yet, the Spurs building through the draft with Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| THE_DAGGER wrote: | | How many championships has OKC won? |
Spurs won 5 by drafting all their star players: Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.
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| Clark Kent wrote: | | THE_DAGGER wrote: | | How many championships has OKC won? |
Spurs won 5 by drafting all their star players: Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. |
They got Duncan by tanking. In fact they may have tanked harder than teams do these days. They were ahead of the curve on international players though.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | Clark Kent wrote: | | THE_DAGGER wrote: | | How many championships has OKC won? |
Spurs won 5 by drafting all their star players: Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. |
They got Duncan by tanking. In fact they may have tanked harder than teams do these days. They were ahead of the curve on international players though. |
Exactly.
They didn't rush to trade Duncan for Alonzo Mourning or any immediate help for David Robinson.
They believed in their draft and the players they were drafting and it paid off big.
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| The problem with trying to replicate what the Spurs/Warriors/Thunder did is that they drafted players who won the league MVP! That's a tough thing to do and not something you can bank on. I think more realistic model is the cavs before Lebron came home. Irving is all-star caliber, Thompson a solid starter, waiters was ok coming off the bench as 6th man and they couldn't crack the playoffs in the east. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Iron Mamba wrote: | | THE_DAGGER wrote: | | How many championships has OKC won? |
Ask Golden State, they did the same thing by rebuilding through their draft with Curry, Klay, and Green.
Or better yet, the Spurs building through the draft with Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli. |
Cool... only took G-St 40 years
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