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Okafor vs. Cousins? |
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B_P Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:16 am Post subject: |
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I understand the reasoning behind going after DMC, but I'd rather watch the young, "homegrown" core of Randle, Clarkson and Okafor/Russell develop and evolve together. _________________ Everything. Changes. |
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SaintStephen Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I believe Okafor is a superior prospect to Cousins at the same age. Will he develop as well as Cousins has? Maybe, maybe not. But I'd take the chance on him plus whatever the extra $10 million in cap space buys you. |
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mastersworddude Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:25 am Post subject: |
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I don't want a Wiggins for Love situation. Give Okafor a chance. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Big Game James wrote: | This poll is very misleading.
The real question is, DeMarcus Cousins or Okafor + max contract player (Goran Dragic, Danny Green, LaMarcus Aldridge, etc).
Because attaining Cousins means we lose our draft pick PLUS we lose our capspace. It's a double whammy! |
Assuming it was just Okafor for Cousins, we could still swing signing Danny Green. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Okafor over Cousins for me.
But it will be Towns anyway |
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marga86 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:33 am Post subject: |
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in my opinion, headcases are manageable in the right circumstances and I feel the lakers have evaluated this.
I'll give management the benefit of the doubt and it also helps that boogie has put up unreal numbers when compared to the past 10-15 seasons' centers. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Okafor. Cousins is a headcase, needs the ball in his hands, can't get his team above 30 wins and can't get along with any coach. He's not a foundation to build around. He's a headcase to coach around.
Read coach K's comments on Okafor in the other thread.
I'll take a chance on Okafor, who legitimately could develop into a better player than Cousins, and Randle for that matter as well, and patiently developing a very strong future core with cap space for free agents. I'd much rather do that than, after enduring frustrating seasons in order to get the most out of the very sparse draft picks we have left, blowing it all on headcase Cousins just like we did on headcase Howard, then winding in the toilet for 4 years from now with nothing to show for it. |
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madddogg Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:56 am Post subject: |
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talentwise cousins is proven, but okafur has potential.
But if your team is that willing to get rid of your even when you are putting up beastly numbers it may not be worth the risk. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Jahlil Okafor vs Demarcus Cousins??(Poll) |
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Sting wrote: | I'm in the minority, but I would prefer a pure Laker and want to see Okafor be a Laker! |
So far you are in the majority, by a very large margin. |
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PhoenixForce Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:59 am Post subject: |
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B_P wrote: | I understand the reasoning behind going after DMC, but I'd rather watch the young, "homegrown" core of Randle, Clarkson and Okafor/Russell develop and evolve together. |
This is not what the Lakers are about. You don't win championships like this. I'm tired of seeing people on here valuing development of young talent over making moves to win games. Do you know how rare it is for a team to win a championship with players mostly comprised of homegrown drafted talent? Only the Warriors have done that in recent memory. Not even OKC with Durant and Westbrook could win it all. |
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Big Game James Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Jahlil Okafor vs Demarcus Cousins??(Poll) |
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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Sting wrote: | I'm in the minority, but I would prefer a pure Laker and want to see Okafor be a Laker! |
So far you are in the majority, by a very large margin. |
LOL! Minority... _________________ Don't make me give you a trout slap! |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:37 am Post subject: |
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PhoenixForce wrote: | B_P wrote: | I understand the reasoning behind going after DMC, but I'd rather watch the young, "homegrown" core of Randle, Clarkson and Okafor/Russell develop and evolve together. |
This is not what the Lakers are about. You don't win championships like this. I'm tired of seeing people on here valuing development of young talent over making moves to win games. Do you know how rare it is for a team to win a championship with players mostly comprised of homegrown drafted talent? Only the Warriors have done that in recent memory. Not even OKC with Durant and Westbrook could win it all. |
San Antonio with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Kawhai. And Kobe Bryant was essentially homegrown for us. D-Wade is homegrown, too. |
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chickenstew Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Big Game James wrote: | This poll is very misleading.
The real question is, DeMarcus Cousins or Okafor + max contract player (Goran Dragic, Danny Green, LaMarcus Aldridge, etc).
Because attaining Cousins means we lose our draft pick PLUS we lose our capspace. It's a double whammy! |
AND we lose J.RANDALL ? -- as I believe the trade involves #2 and JR for your Cousin. _________________ "Heck, Marge can move better then that, and she can't go to her left" |
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PhoenixForce Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:56 am Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | PhoenixForce wrote: | B_P wrote: | I understand the reasoning behind going after DMC, but I'd rather watch the young, "homegrown" core of Randle, Clarkson and Okafor/Russell develop and evolve together. |
This is not what the Lakers are about. You don't win championships like this. I'm tired of seeing people on here valuing development of young talent over making moves to win games. Do you know how rare it is for a team to win a championship with players mostly comprised of homegrown drafted talent? Only the Warriors have done that in recent memory. Not even OKC with Durant and Westbrook could win it all. |
San Antonio with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Kawhai. And Kobe Bryant was essentially homegrown for us. D-Wade is homegrown, too. |
Im talking about multiple players drafted in around the same time as each other. Spurs I guess you could make an argument for even though Ginobli didnt really contribute to first 2 championships.
Historically though the way to win is to have 1 drafted superstar and then trade or sign another one or 2 stars. |
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chickenstew Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:57 am Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | PhoenixForce wrote: | B_P wrote: | I understand the reasoning behind going after DMC, but I'd rather watch the young, "homegrown" core of Randle, Clarkson and Okafor/Russell develop and evolve together. |
This is not what the Lakers are about. You don't win championships like this. I'm tired of seeing people on here valuing development of young talent over making moves to win games. Do you know how rare it is for a team to win a championship with players mostly comprised of homegrown drafted talent? Only the Warriors have done that in recent memory. Not even OKC with Durant and Westbrook could win it all. |
San Antonio with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Kawhai. And Kobe Bryant was essentially homegrown for us. D-Wade is homegrown, too. |
Durant , Westbrook, and if Harden could of stayed . some good roots with that group. _________________ "Heck, Marge can move better then that, and she can't go to her left" |
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ReaListik Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Of course Okafor. The Kings will not send Cousins here - though I'm sure that pisses off Karl. Noone willingly would coach this guy if they had their say. He's a franchise killer. If they, in fantasy land, traded Okafor Randle and/or Clarkson for that fool that would be a clear sign the Lakers are not regaining their place at the top anytime in the foreseeable future. _________________ "We are the goodest." - Shaq ESPN interview |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'd rather have Okafor and think he will be better and have much more impact on winning then Cousins. It's also the $22m cap space we'll have. |
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dvdrdiscs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Cousins is a sure thing. Okafor is a maybe. Be careful what you ask for. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Okafor is a quiet leader but a leader none-the-less. Cousins ... I don't know. |
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andree Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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For me Okafor.
And I want to see a young nucleus of Randle, Clarckson, and the pick growing together, even if that means another year with 20 and something wins. |
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Iron Mamba Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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"DeMarcus Cousins is a Franchise Killer"
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?s=la
NBA Analyst Jeff Goodman (Hour #2):
Quote: | "If you were the Lakers, would you trade the No. 2 pick and Julius Randle for DeMarcus Cousins? Hell no! No chance! Zero chance! Cousins is a franchise killer. He just is. I've seen him way too many times already, I've heard all his stories no matter how he's tried to mature. He's so talented but you just can't build around Cousins. Randle is at the very least going to be a 15 and 7 guy down the line. Plus the No. 2 pick too? I wouldn't do Randle and the No. 2 pick for Cousins. Lakers shouldn't even do the No. 2 pick straight up for Cousins. He's a franchise killer." |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Okafor... yes he's a prospect who may end up not becoming an all-star level player but you take that chance in an attempt to create a dynasty.
Crawford, Randle, Okafor would all be on Rookie contracts. While we have space to sign a max player. |
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Das Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Pippen Aint Easy wrote: | Cousins is without a doubt top 3 centers in the League.. Okafor hasnt even played an NBA game yet!
Im thankful LG isnt the GM of the Lakers |
Eddie Jones is one of the top SGs in the league, Kobe hasn't even played an NBA game yet! |
Not relevant to the topic.
One prospect was traded for, the other is being used as a trade bait. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Cousins is not Shaq, Lebron, or Duncan so its not like he will make Lakers a contender. Kobe was given a 2nd tier talent in Pau and went to the Finals. Cousins had a 2nd tier talent in Rudy Gay and hasnt done jack squat with him. If Lakers trade for Cousins, the only player we can sign with cap space is a 2nd tier talent because I think Lakers would have around 8-12 mill left. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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If you want a shot at Durant, and some quality FA's now, you need to make the Cousins move.
If you're willing to be a bit bad for a while longer - maybe a year or two more in the lottery - then you definitely take Okafor.
Both are great talents considered how watered down and weak the C position. Any team that has either should be happy. In terms of character, definitely seems you want to invest more in Okafor.
I'm excited about our future with Okafor, Randle, Clarkson and the capspace being used hopefully wisely. However I'm not expecting miracles with this nucleus, I think at least 2 more years in the lotto. Okafor isn't the 2nd coming of Shaq or anything like that. I just hope the Lakers FO don't try to surround them with some overpaid over the hill guys (IE Wade, Deng, etc.) to try and make a failed attempt at the 8th seed. The FA we sign, need to be guys that can support Okafor/Randle in 2-3 years from now and prime with them. We don't want Okafor/Randle to be carrying dead weight.
I'm actually far more nervous about FA - than the draft. I think with the #2 pick, either we'll pick a stud investment like Okafor or Russell. Or we'll trade it for a proven all-star (Cousins for example). What we do with the cap room, I'm far far more nervous about. |
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