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Ksig
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | DLo is who he is at this point. Scores 0 pts one game, scores 20 on the next. That’s DLo. But he helps us navigate the regular season, and at 18m in todays NBA, can’t hate on that much. |
When you are trying to capitalize on LeBron’s final years you can’t just say he helps us in the regular season and that his salary is a bonus, he just doesn’t fit on what we’re trying to accomplish, on the Spurs or Bulls he would be a very good piece in helping them compete |
In terms of production Dlo is one of the better 3rd options in the league. Factoring in his cost, he might be the best in terms of value. His contract allows the Lakers to have two $40m players yet still have all non-vet min starters plus three more non-vet min reserves for a total of 8 non vet mins, (LBJ/AD/Dlo/Rui/AR/Vincent/Vando/Prince). In contrast, with Westbrook, they had Nunn/Walker and those 5 were it.
Many 3rd options make $25m-$30m and have the type of bad games Dlo has but few of them have 44pt games, multiple 30pt games, and lead the team in scoring in as many games as Dlo does for the Lakers. For some reason this guy gets too much grief and isn’t appreciated enough for his role on the team. With better coaching - (pre-game prep/adjustments in game/use of time outs/rotations/end game schemes), or better roster - (big C/backcourt 3&D), this team as is could compete. Fix both coaching and roster and it looks like they could be a favorite.
It’s simple, add Budenholzer, big rebounding C, 3&D guard, and run it back with the starters. |
I feel like if you actually went down a list of all the good teams in the nba you would find Dlo is not even close to this statement. Especially when you factor in defense. |
Don’t just “feel like it”, do it, I did. |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
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MJST
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| Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | DLo is who he is at this point. Scores 0 pts one game, scores 20 on the next. That’s DLo. But he helps us navigate the regular season, and at 18m in todays NBA, can’t hate on that much. |
When you are trying to capitalize on LeBron’s final years you can’t just say he helps us in the regular season and that his salary is a bonus, he just doesn’t fit on what we’re trying to accomplish, on the Spurs or Bulls he would be a very good piece in helping them compete |
In terms of production Dlo is one of the better 3rd options in the league. Factoring in his cost, he might be the best in terms of value. His contract allows the Lakers to have two $40m players yet still have all non-vet min starters plus three more non-vet min reserves for a total of 8 non vet mins, (LBJ/AD/Dlo/Rui/AR/Vincent/Vando/Prince). In contrast, with Westbrook, they had Nunn/Walker and those 5 were it.
Many 3rd options make $25m-$30m and have the type of bad games Dlo has but few of them have 44pt games, multiple 30pt games, and lead the team in scoring in as many games as Dlo does for the Lakers. For some reason this guy gets too much grief and isn’t appreciated enough for his role on the team. With better coaching - (pre-game prep/adjustments in game/use of time outs/rotations/end game schemes), or better roster - (big C/backcourt 3&D), this team as is could compete. Fix both coaching and roster and it looks like they could be a favorite.
It’s simple, add Budenholzer, big rebounding C, 3&D guard, and run it back with the starters. |
I feel like if you actually went down a list of all the good teams in the nba you would find Dlo is not even close to this statement. Especially when you factor in defense. |
Don’t just “feel like it”, do it, I did. |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Lol let me show you reality
Porzingis is the 3rd option on the Celtics. He makes $30M a year, averages 20/7/2
Divencenzo is the 3rd option on the Knicks. He makes $10-$12M a season and averages 15/3/2
Middleton is the 3rd Option on the Bucks. He makes $29-$34M a season and averages 15/4/5
Jarrett Allen is the 3rd option on the Cavs. He makes $20M a season and averages 16/10/2
Jalen Suggs is the 3rd option on Orlando. He makes $9-$12M a season and averages 12/3/2
Myles Turner is the 3rd option in Indiana. He makes $20M a season and averages 17/7/2/2
Tobias Harris was the 3rd option in Philadelphia. He made $32-$39M a season and averaged 17/6/3
Bam is the 3rd option in Miami, or you could argue its Herro. Anyway Bam makes $28-$34M a season and averages 19/10/4, Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M a season.
Coby White is the Bulls 3rd Option and makes $11-$12M a season and averages 19/5/4. When they re-signed him, he was a super 6th man averaging 13 points, this season they started him and he plays FAR above his value and is taking a similar trajectory we want for Reaves at his price.
Bogdan Bogdanović is the Hawks 3rd Option, he makes $16-18M a season and averages 17/3/3 on 42% from the field and 37% from three.
The only outlier is Coby White who signed as a 6th man and is going to be commanding in the $18-$25M range if he continues his play next season for his extension.
So let's look at the people in DLO's range of production
Coby White 19/4/5 44% field Goal 37% from Three(on 7.0 attempts) $10-$11M (will be demanding $18-$25M next off-season)
D'Angelo Russell 18/6/4 45% Field Goal 41.5% from three(on 7.2 attempts)
$17-18M
Myles Turner 17/7/2/2 $20M
Porzingis 20/7/2 51.6% Field Goal 37.5% from three(on 5.1 attempts) $30M
Bam Adebayo 19/10/4 $29-$33M a season
Tyler Herro 20/5/4 44% field goal 39% from three(on 7.9 attempts) $29-$33M
Tobias Harris 17/6/348% Field Goal 35% from three(on 3.7 attempts) $32-$39M
Do you get it now? Does it sink in?
The fact I know everyone on this forum's pants would explode if the Lakers got Tyler Herro and DLO gives the same production while shooting better and is paid $10M less.
Really? Gobert? Naz Reid? lol okay Naz Reid is the Timberwolves 4th/5th option depending, and serves as their 6th man off the bench. His range for production/money is Austin Reaves or Rui Hachimura range.
Gobert averages 14/13/2 he gets paid $41-$46M to do so.
Naz Reid averages 13/5/1 off the bench(like Coby White once did) shooting 47% from the field and $41% from three(on 5 attempts) and makes $13-$15M a sesaon, which is about the Reaves/Hachimura range was expected and is also around the Coby White range he got paid to be a 6th man for the Bulls before he broke out this season. You'd compare him and his role to Reaves and to Hachimura's, not DLO's. And even then DLO puts up better numbers at a higher efficiency despite defenses paying far more attention to him than they do Reid. But you just like throwing out names I see.
Keegan Murray? Alright he averages 15/5/2 on 45% from the field and 35% from three on 6.6 attempts and is on his rookie contract so he can't ask for more money till thats done.
Malik Monk? Okay he makes $19.4M a season and averages 15/2/5 on 44% from the field and 35% from three on 6 a game.
Notice how they both still don't outproduce DLO? 
I hope it finally sinks in what we have, and what ya'll constantly take for granted.
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kfkilla
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| kfkilla wrote: | People act like DLo is the only person in the world who ever has bad games in a playoff series:
Darius Garland - making > 30M was 3/13
Suggs - everyone’s favorite nobody was 2/13
Tyler Hero - also making > 30M was 6/19
France Wagner - 1/15
Bradly Beal - making how much? 4/13
The list goes on and on. If it was up to some Laker fans there would be a revolving door of never ending players that are hated and pushed out the door. No wonder we never have continuity. |
Jamal Murray - the Laker killer - 3/18
MPJ - the third option people are gushing about - 4/12 1/7 from 3
I guess matchups matter for none Dlo players too? Bad nights happen? Specifically when your team is outmatched? |
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Ksig
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| MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | DLo is who he is at this point. Scores 0 pts one game, scores 20 on the next. That’s DLo. But he helps us navigate the regular season, and at 18m in todays NBA, can’t hate on that much. |
When you are trying to capitalize on LeBron’s final years you can’t just say he helps us in the regular season and that his salary is a bonus, he just doesn’t fit on what we’re trying to accomplish, on the Spurs or Bulls he would be a very good piece in helping them compete |
In terms of production Dlo is one of the better 3rd options in the league. Factoring in his cost, he might be the best in terms of value. His contract allows the Lakers to have two $40m players yet still have all non-vet min starters plus three more non-vet min reserves for a total of 8 non vet mins, (LBJ/AD/Dlo/Rui/AR/Vincent/Vando/Prince). In contrast, with Westbrook, they had Nunn/Walker and those 5 were it.
Many 3rd options make $25m-$30m and have the type of bad games Dlo has but few of them have 44pt games, multiple 30pt games, and lead the team in scoring in as many games as Dlo does for the Lakers. For some reason this guy gets too much grief and isn’t appreciated enough for his role on the team. With better coaching - (pre-game prep/adjustments in game/use of time outs/rotations/end game schemes), or better roster - (big C/backcourt 3&D), this team as is could compete. Fix both coaching and roster and it looks like they could be a favorite.
It’s simple, add Budenholzer, big rebounding C, 3&D guard, and run it back with the starters. |
I feel like if you actually went down a list of all the good teams in the nba you would find Dlo is not even close to this statement. Especially when you factor in defense. |
Don’t just “feel like it”, do it, I did. |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Lol let me show you reality
Porzingis is the 3rd option on the Celtics. He makes $30M a year, averages 20/7/2
Divencenzo is the 3rd option on the Knicks. He makes $10-$12M a season and averages 15/3/2
Middleton is the 3rd Option on the Bucks. He makes $29-$34M a season and averages 15/4/5
Jarrett Allen is the 3rd option on the Cavs. He makes $20M a season and averages 16/10/2
Jalen Suggs is the 3rd option on Orlando. He makes $9-$12M a season and averages 12/3/2
Myles Turner is the 3rd option in Indiana. He makes $20M a season and averages 17/7/2/2
Tobias Harris was the 3rd option in Philadelphia. He made $32-$39M a season and averaged 17/6/3
Bam is the 3rd option in Miami, or you could argue its Herro. Anyway Bam makes $28-$34M a season and averages 19/10/4, Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M a season.
Coby White is the Bulls 3rd Option and makes $11-$12M a season and averages 19/5/4. When they re-signed him, he was a super 6th man averaging 13 points, this season they started him and he plays FAR above his value and is taking a similar trajectory we want for Reaves at his price.
Bogdan Bogdanović is the Hawks 3rd Option, he makes $16-18M a season and averages 17/3/3 on 42% from the field and 37% from three.
The only outlier is Coby White who signed as a 6th man and is going to be commanding in the $18-$25M range if he continues his play next season for his extension.
So let's look at the people in DLO's range of production
Coby White 19/4/5 44% field Goal 37% from Three(on 7.0 attempts) $10-$11M (will be demanding $18-$25M next off-season)
D'Angelo Russell 18/6/4 45% Field Goal 41.5% from three(on 7.2 attempts)
$17-18M
Myles Turner 17/7/2/2 $20M
Porzingis 20/7/2 51.6% Field Goal 37.5% from three(on 5.1 attempts) $30M
Bam Adebayo 19/10/4 $29-$33M a season
Tyler Herro 20/5/4 44% field goal 39% from three(on 7.9 attempts) $29-$33M
Tobias Harris 17/6/348% Field Goal 35% from three(on 3.7 attempts) $32-$39M
Do you get it now? Does it sink in?
The fact I know everyone on this forum's pants would explode if the Lakers got Tyler Herro and DLO gives the same production while shooting better and is paid $10M less.
I hope it finally sinks in what we have, and what ya'll constantly take for granted. |
Delusional. Its ok DLO will be gone soon and you can continue rooting for him there. |
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MJST
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| Ksig wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | DLo is who he is at this point. Scores 0 pts one game, scores 20 on the next. That’s DLo. But he helps us navigate the regular season, and at 18m in todays NBA, can’t hate on that much. |
When you are trying to capitalize on LeBron’s final years you can’t just say he helps us in the regular season and that his salary is a bonus, he just doesn’t fit on what we’re trying to accomplish, on the Spurs or Bulls he would be a very good piece in helping them compete |
In terms of production Dlo is one of the better 3rd options in the league. Factoring in his cost, he might be the best in terms of value. His contract allows the Lakers to have two $40m players yet still have all non-vet min starters plus three more non-vet min reserves for a total of 8 non vet mins, (LBJ/AD/Dlo/Rui/AR/Vincent/Vando/Prince). In contrast, with Westbrook, they had Nunn/Walker and those 5 were it.
Many 3rd options make $25m-$30m and have the type of bad games Dlo has but few of them have 44pt games, multiple 30pt games, and lead the team in scoring in as many games as Dlo does for the Lakers. For some reason this guy gets too much grief and isn’t appreciated enough for his role on the team. With better coaching - (pre-game prep/adjustments in game/use of time outs/rotations/end game schemes), or better roster - (big C/backcourt 3&D), this team as is could compete. Fix both coaching and roster and it looks like they could be a favorite.
It’s simple, add Budenholzer, big rebounding C, 3&D guard, and run it back with the starters. |
I feel like if you actually went down a list of all the good teams in the nba you would find Dlo is not even close to this statement. Especially when you factor in defense. |
Don’t just “feel like it”, do it, I did. |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Lol let me show you reality
Porzingis is the 3rd option on the Celtics. He makes $30M a year, averages 20/7/2
Divencenzo is the 3rd option on the Knicks. He makes $10-$12M a season and averages 15/3/2
Middleton is the 3rd Option on the Bucks. He makes $29-$34M a season and averages 15/4/5
Jarrett Allen is the 3rd option on the Cavs. He makes $20M a season and averages 16/10/2
Jalen Suggs is the 3rd option on Orlando. He makes $9-$12M a season and averages 12/3/2
Myles Turner is the 3rd option in Indiana. He makes $20M a season and averages 17/7/2/2
Tobias Harris was the 3rd option in Philadelphia. He made $32-$39M a season and averaged 17/6/3
Bam is the 3rd option in Miami, or you could argue its Herro. Anyway Bam makes $28-$34M a season and averages 19/10/4, Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M a season.
Coby White is the Bulls 3rd Option and makes $11-$12M a season and averages 19/5/4. When they re-signed him, he was a super 6th man averaging 13 points, this season they started him and he plays FAR above his value and is taking a similar trajectory we want for Reaves at his price.
Bogdan Bogdanović is the Hawks 3rd Option, he makes $16-18M a season and averages 17/3/3 on 42% from the field and 37% from three.
The only outlier is Coby White who signed as a 6th man and is going to be commanding in the $18-$25M range if he continues his play next season for his extension.
So let's look at the people in DLO's range of production
Coby White 19/4/5 44% field Goal 37% from Three(on 7.0 attempts) $10-$11M (will be demanding $18-$25M next off-season)
D'Angelo Russell 18/6/4 45% Field Goal 41.5% from three(on 7.2 attempts)
$17-18M
Myles Turner 17/7/2/2 $20M
Porzingis 20/7/2 51.6% Field Goal 37.5% from three(on 5.1 attempts) $30M
Bam Adebayo 19/10/4 $29-$33M a season
Tyler Herro 20/5/4 44% field goal 39% from three(on 7.9 attempts) $29-$33M
Tobias Harris 17/6/348% Field Goal 35% from three(on 3.7 attempts) $32-$39M
Do you get it now? Does it sink in?
The fact I know everyone on this forum's pants would explode if the Lakers got Tyler Herro and DLO gives the same production while shooting better and is paid $10M less.
I hope it finally sinks in what we have, and what ya'll constantly take for granted. |
Delusional. |
I know you are 
Really? Gobert? Naz Reid? lol okay Naz Reid is the Timberwolves 4th/5th option depending, and serves as their 6th man off the bench. His range for production/money is Austin Reaves or Rui Hachimura range.
Gobert averages 14/13/2 he gets paid $41-$46M to do so.
Naz Reid averages 13/5/1 off the bench(like Coby White once did) shooting 47% from the field and $41% from three(on 5 attempts) and makes $13-$15M a sesaon, which is about the Reaves/Hachimura range was expected and is also around the Coby White range he got paid to be a 6th man for the Bulls before he broke out this season. You'd compare him and his role to Reaves and to Hachimura's, not DLO's. And even then DLO puts up better numbers at a higher efficiency despite defenses paying far more attention to him than they do Reid. But you just like throwing out names I see.
Keegan Murray? Alright he averages 15/5/2 on 45% from the field and 35% from three on 6.6 attempts and is on his rookie contract so he can't ask for more money till thats done.
Malik Monk? Okay he makes $19.4M a season and averages 15/2/5 on 44% from the field and 35% from three on 6 a game.
Notice how they both still don't outproduce DLO and no one is a better high volume shooter?
I could go on and on but you aren't worth it.
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | DLo is who he is at this point. Scores 0 pts one game, scores 20 on the next. That’s DLo. But he helps us navigate the regular season, and at 18m in todays NBA, can’t hate on that much. |
When you are trying to capitalize on LeBron’s final years you can’t just say he helps us in the regular season and that his salary is a bonus, he just doesn’t fit on what we’re trying to accomplish, on the Spurs or Bulls he would be a very good piece in helping them compete |
In terms of production Dlo is one of the better 3rd options in the league. Factoring in his cost, he might be the best in terms of value. His contract allows the Lakers to have two $40m players yet still have all non-vet min starters plus three more non-vet min reserves for a total of 8 non vet mins, (LBJ/AD/Dlo/Rui/AR/Vincent/Vando/Prince). In contrast, with Westbrook, they had Nunn/Walker and those 5 were it.
Many 3rd options make $25m-$30m and have the type of bad games Dlo has but few of them have 44pt games, multiple 30pt games, and lead the team in scoring in as many games as Dlo does for the Lakers. For some reason this guy gets too much grief and isn’t appreciated enough for his role on the team. With better coaching - (pre-game prep/adjustments in game/use of time outs/rotations/end game schemes), or better roster - (big C/backcourt 3&D), this team as is could compete. Fix both coaching and roster and it looks like they could be a favorite.
It’s simple, add Budenholzer, big rebounding C, 3&D guard, and run it back with the starters. |
I feel like if you actually went down a list of all the good teams in the nba you would find Dlo is not even close to this statement. Especially when you factor in defense. |
Don’t just “feel like it”, do it, I did. |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Dude, you’re confusing “find” with “your opinion”. Find means to look it up, you’re still in “feel like” mode. The bold part of my post that you highlighted said “In terms of production”, that’s not just how you feel. Stats don’t tell the whole story, I get that, but they can’t be ignored. Porzingis/Bam/McCullom/Beal are the only 3rd leading scorers on any of the 16 playoff teams that score more than Dlo and Dlo is also top 20 in assists. Look it up.
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J.C. Smith
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| The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
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MJST
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
This is true, defense is their calling card. And Bam gets paid $29-$33M and Turner gets paid $20M and they front loaded his contract at $35M last season in order to get the back half to cost less.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
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kfkilla
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
Tyler Hero? |
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miggz23
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
That the issue that most of them are over looking... DLO lack of quickness and athleticism is also what kills him at his position.
It's not about the stats or salary at times. Specially if his stats does not translate well in the playoffs because of what he is lacking above.
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| kfkilla wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
Tyler Hero? |
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less.
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Ksig
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them and they think hes not a bad defender. DLO can do no wrong |
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| Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them |
Blind is trying to say that Malik Monk is better than DLO with a straight face.
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less. That's why you looked so bad when you were asked to bring up other 3rd options
You still ain't coming through cause you can't see past your biases and admit you're wrong.
| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Dude, you’re confusing “find” with “your opinion”. Find means to look it up, you’re still in “feel like” mode. The bold part of my post that you highlighted said “In terms of production”, that’s not just how you feel. Stats don’t tell the whole story, I get that, but they can’t be ignored. Porzingis/Bam/McCullom/Beal are the only 3rd leading scorers on any of the 16 playoff teams that score more than Dlo and Dlo is also top 20 in assists. Look it up. |
Bet he won't. He doesn't want to do research he just wants to say things he hope nobody looks up, just like he didn't look anything up.
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miggz23
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| MJST wrote: | | kfkilla wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
Tyler Hero? |
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less. |
Question is can we win a title with DLO as a 3rd option... Maybe comparing him to the teams that won titles or made the finals 3rd option instead?
I think thats where we can see where he really stack up. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
I get what you’re saying and it’s a valid retort, that’s why I said:
IN TERMS OF PRODUCTION.
Still, for the price Dlo is much more valuable than given credit.
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| miggz23 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | kfkilla wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
Tyler Hero? |
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less. |
Question is can we win a title with DLO as a 3rd option... Maybe comparing him to the teams that won titles or made the finals 3rd option instead?
I think thats where we can see where he really stack up. |
Then the question to ask yourself is if you look at our current roster.
Just take our current roster. Give it to Spo, give it to Malone, give it to Finch, give it to Carlisle, give it to Mark Daigneault, heck give it to Steve Kerr. Would they be able to Coach them to a Championship and be a noticable improvement over Ham?
I didn't mention Popovich because of course if Popovich had our roster we'd win a Championship. And DLO would be 3rd option on all of those teams. Know why? Because he isn't the problem and never has been.
| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
I get what you’re saying and it’s a valid retort, that’s why I said:
IN TERMS OF PRODUCTION.
Plus those guys make $36m, twice what Dlo makes yet Dlo does show better production. Now, recall that I put Bam and Porzingis as 1 and 2, Dlo is 3rd so I agree those two are better even in terms of production. Check out everyone else tho. |
This. DLO doing what he does for $18-$19M and being able to play multiple roles in an offense is the difference. He had to play spot up shooter and point guard for our team and he was able to excel at both of those roles, and he had to, on a LeBron based team.
There isn't another guard in the league that excels at both of those things, can average 18/4/6 as a third option and only be making $18-$19M to do so, only if they're still on a rookie deal or got signed when they played a lesser role and had a MOP level season.
There just isn't.
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| MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them |
Blind is trying to say that Malik Monk is better than DLO with a straight face.
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less. That's why you looked so bad when you were asked to bring up other 3rd options
You still ain't coming through cause you can't see past your biases and admit you're wrong.
| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Dude, you’re confusing “find” with “your opinion”. Find means to look it up, you’re still in “feel like” mode. The bold part of my post that you highlighted said “In terms of production”, that’s not just how you feel. Stats don’t tell the whole story, I get that, but they can’t be ignored. Porzingis/Bam/McCullom/Beal are the only 3rd leading scorers on any of the 16 playoff teams that score more than Dlo and Dlo is also top 20 in assists. Look it up. |
Bet he won't. He doesn't want to do research he just wants to say things he hope nobody looks up, just like he didn't look anything up. |
You still ain't coming through cause you can't see past your biases and admit you're wrong.
Right... 
You might be the most biased person on this whole forum. Your love for past baby Lakers is notorious.
Heres an exercise. Can you name one single negative about DLO?
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| Ksig wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them |
Blind is trying to say that Malik Monk is better than DLO with a straight face.
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less. That's why you looked so bad when you were asked to bring up other 3rd options
You still ain't coming through cause you can't see past your biases and admit you're wrong.
| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Dude, you’re confusing “find” with “your opinion”. Find means to look it up, you’re still in “feel like” mode. The bold part of my post that you highlighted said “In terms of production”, that’s not just how you feel. Stats don’t tell the whole story, I get that, but they can’t be ignored. Porzingis/Bam/McCullom/Beal are the only 3rd leading scorers on any of the 16 playoff teams that score more than Dlo and Dlo is also top 20 in assists. Look it up. |
Bet he won't. He doesn't want to do research he just wants to say things he hope nobody looks up, just like he didn't look anything up. |
You still ain't coming through cause you can't see past your biases and admit you're wrong.
Right. |
I know it is.
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Ksig
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| MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them |
Blind is trying to say that Malik Monk is better than DLO with a straight face.
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less. That's why you looked so bad when you were asked to bring up other 3rd options
You still ain't coming through cause you can't see past your biases and admit you're wrong.
| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: |
Ok lets see
Boston - Porzingis or White is better
Milwaukee - Middleton is better
Clippers - Harden is better
Suns - Beal is better but overpaid
OKC - Jalen williams is better
Denver - take your pick of MPJ or Aaron gordon
Timberwolves - Gobert or Naz Reid is better
Kings - Monk or Murray is better
Cavs - Mobley is better
Knicks - OG or Hart is better
Miami - Herro is better
Warriors - Id take Kuminga, maybe even Klay
Pelicans - CJ is better
Pacers - Myles or Siakam are better
Those are most of the playoff teams. I could keep going but yeah. The only playoff teams who Dlo is clearly a better #3 is Philly, Magic, Mavs
None of these teams would take Dlo in a 1 to 1 swap. |
Dude, you’re confusing “find” with “your opinion”. Find means to look it up, you’re still in “feel like” mode. The bold part of my post that you highlighted said “In terms of production”, that’s not just how you feel. Stats don’t tell the whole story, I get that, but they can’t be ignored. Porzingis/Bam/McCullom/Beal are the only 3rd leading scorers on any of the 16 playoff teams that score more than Dlo and Dlo is also top 20 in assists. Look it up. |
Bet he won't. He doesn't want to do research he just wants to say things he hope nobody looks up, just like he didn't look anything up. |
You still ain't coming through cause you can't see past your biases and admit you're wrong.
Right. |
I know it is. |
Name a negative about DLO. it'll do you good. |
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miggz23
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| MJST wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | kfkilla wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
Tyler Hero? |
You could compare DLO and Tyler Herro when it comes to production Herro averages 20/5/4 and makes $29-$33M which is $11-$15M more than DLO does.
DLO does what he does at $18-$19M at the production he does, that's a major difference.
So even then, DLO's production + cost outweighs Herro. DLOI can also do more on the court and has a more complete game, as you could ask Herro to be a spot up or off screen shooter, but you can't ask him to be a point guard. You can with DLO.
See when people start bringing up actual 3rd options, DLO is right there with them as far as production goes, but gets paid $10-$15M less. |
Question is can we win a title with DLO as a 3rd option... Maybe comparing him to the teams that won titles or made the finals 3rd option instead?
I think thats where we can see where he really stack up. |
Then the question to ask yourself is if you look at our current roster.
Just take our current roster. Give it to Spo, give it to Malone, give it to Finch, give it to Carlisle, give it to Mark Daigneault, heck give it to Steve Kerr. Would they be able to Coach them to a Championship and be a noticable improvement over Ham?
I didn't mention Popovich because of course if Popovich had our roster we'd win a Championship. And DLO would be 3rd option on all of those teams. Know why? Because he isn't the problem and never has been. |
That's really tough question to answer... Because even if we have those guys as coaches it still does not resolve this roster lack of defense and athleticism at backcourt. Being thin at Center position. Also would they even resolve DLO's playoffs woes?
After all that, does it really matter? Because none of those guys will be coaching this team next season. So once again where does that place DLO on this team? Because it's obvious that Lakers can't return with the same roster next season.
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| Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them and they think hes not a bad defender. DLO can do no wrong |
Quite the opposite, we’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings. Sometimes feelings are right, I get that, Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
“Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.”
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them and they think hes not a bad defender. DLO can do no wrong |
Quite the opposite, we’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings. Sometimes feelings are right, I get that, Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
“Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.” |
I feel like all the stats are out there. Ive posted DLOs playoff numbers countless times. All of it gets deflected. Theres no convincing people on this forum. Nobody admits they're wrong. They just double down and make up stories in their head, anything to convince themselves that DLO is actually an incredible 3rd player who is just misunderstood.
Look if you want to go and copy past every single persons stat line of the people I listed be my guest. I felt like its pretty obvious those players are better than DLO.
You can at least admit faults in DLOs game, more than I can say of others in here.
Notice how someone stopped immediately responding when i asked them to name a SINGLE negative about DLO? How can you have an honest debate with someone when you cant even do that. |
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| Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them and they think hes not a bad defender. DLO can do no wrong |
Quite the opposite, we’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings. Sometimes feelings are right, I get that, Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
“Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.” |
I feel like all the stats are out there. |
1. We’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings
2. Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
3. The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
Thats all there is to it at the end of the day.
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| MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them and they think hes not a bad defender. DLO can do no wrong |
Quite the opposite, we’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings. Sometimes feelings are right, I get that, Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
“Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.” |
I feel like all the stats are out there. |
1. We’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings
2. Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
3. The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
Thats all there is to it at the end of the day. |
cool... NAME A SINGLE NEGATIVE THING ABOUT DLO.
Why are you dodging this simple thing?
....crickets. Yeah Im the biased one. Here I can name some positives about DLO. He can make tough 3s in the regular season at a good clip. |
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| Ksig wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Ksig wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | The problem with that list MJST is that a lot of those guys, yeah their numbers may not be that much better than DLOs, but they are better defenders. For Bam and Turner defense is their best attribute. |
The problem is their DLO homerism blinds them and they think hes not a bad defender. DLO can do no wrong |
Quite the opposite, we’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings. Sometimes feelings are right, I get that, Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
“Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments that are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.” |
I feel like all the stats are out there. |
1. We’re looking at stats and you’re going off feelings
2. Turner is more valuable even tho he scores less and doesn’t shoot as well from 3pt. Dlo does have top 20 assists to compare with Turners’ top 20 blocks but overall we all feel Turner is a better 3rd option and that is a valid opinion most would agree on.
3. The point is that Dlo produces…”In terms of production”…as well as other 3rd options yet cost substantially less than most. Something he doesn’t get credit for.
Thats all there is to it at the end of the day. |
cool... NAME A SINGLE NEGATIVE THING ABOUT DLO.
Why are you dodging this simple thing?
....crickets. Yeah Im the biased one. Here I can name some positives about DLO. He can make tough 3s in the regular season at a good clip. |
You can only hear crickets when you stop to listen, you didn’t do that.
Dlo disappears too much for my liking, he gets hot in a stretch but I would prefer his heat be spread throughout the game. Even tho he has a good assist/turnover ratio, it seems the ones he makes are mind boggling carelessness. Dlo seems to actually be able to get to the rack at will and do that sneaky off glass lay up, also the screen to put the defender in jail on his hip for the mid range just inside the free throw line, not doing that enough and settling for 3s when he’s cold is a flaw in his game. Also, I hate when he raising his hand at a defender as if to say “see y’all, I contested the shot” when he really didn’t contest it at all. Dlo has warts for sure.
Now, I offer a similar challenge to you…say something’s good about Dlo. And btw, not the fake insult disguised.
Finally, why even bring up the negative, you trying to change the subject? The subject was “In terms of production Dlo is one of the better 3rd options”.
We can go round and round the bush with ad hominem stuff and changing the subject all day but MJST nailed it with his last post. Dlo produced more than given credit for compared to most other 3rd options. That’s all it is.
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