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nash
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | If Luke didn't have that BS egalitarian system for the first half of the season, and DLO was given the 33MPG like he did after ASB he could have averaged 18/5/4 on 43/35/80 as a 21 year old.
Imagine what the narrative would be then |
You mean, where DAR looked legit as a PG and the Lakers started 10-10 and beat playoff teams?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russeda01/gamelog/2017
Look at the W/L record as soon as he got injured. |
Mike, Russell is a talented player because he is, the record speaks louder about Luke stubborn lineup patterns, something I understand because our early mixed lineups were terrible while the starting lineups and the reserves had positive net ratting and also the lack of a legit sub able to make that starting lineup of Young, Deng, Julius and Mozgov work together, Calderon and Huertas are garbage. It was early season and we were clearly beating teams better than us. It became clear when Russell came back, but we couldn't keep winning at .50 rate. Later in the season with the acquisitions of Nwaba, Ennis and Brewer those guys on pure effort could keep us in the games and we could even win a few games at the end of the season without Russell. Tox was able to bring numbers about how poorly Deng played without Dlo. Clarkson is present in 66% of our lineups with a positive net ratting this season, but he didn't work with the starters neither did Calderon.
Russell is a good player, no question about that. The 10-10 record is not what is telling it, but his good performances with solid averages for someone his age. WS can be a useless stat comparing players from different teams, but it can help understanding the impact of players on the same team and it shows Russell was helping us.
The BS egalitarian had a lot to do with the mixed lineups not clicking, each lineup were doing well alone there is no need to nitpick the playing time from one individual player while the results were good. With the new acquisitions Luke could find ways to make the team click with a myriad of lineups and could give more time to players viewed as our top assets still competing. We don't have the talent to win much more than we did. |
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| AY2043 wrote: | Kendall Marshall => Derek Fisher => Tyler Ennis => Eddie Jones
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We've come a long way. |
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durden-tyler
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Didn't someone bring Elden Campbell's name ?
Think this was between Fisher and Ennis... |
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Mike@LG
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| nash wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | If Luke didn't have that BS egalitarian system for the first half of the season, and DLO was given the 33MPG like he did after ASB he could have averaged 18/5/4 on 43/35/80 as a 21 year old.
Imagine what the narrative would be then |
You mean, where DAR looked legit as a PG and the Lakers started 10-10 and beat playoff teams?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russeda01/gamelog/2017
Look at the W/L record as soon as he got injured. |
Mike, Russell is a talented player because he is, the record speaks louder about Luke stubborn lineup patterns, something I understand because our early mixed lineups were terrible while the starting lineups and the reserves had positive net ratting and also the lack of a legit sub able to make that starting lineup of Young, Deng, Julius and Mozgov work together, Calderon and Huertas are garbage. It was early season and we were clearly beating teams better than us. It became clear when Russell came back, but we couldn't keep winning at .50 rate. Later in the season with the acquisitions of Nwaba, Ennis and Brewer those guys on pure effort could keep us in the games and we could even win a few games at the end of the season without Russell. Tox was able to bring numbers about how poorly Deng played without Dlo. Clarkson is present in 66% of our lineups with a positive net ratting this season, but he didn't work with the starters neither did Calderon.
Russell is a good player, no question about that. The 10-10 record is not what is telling it, but his good performances with solid averages for someone his age. WS can be a useless stat comparing players from different teams, but it can help understanding the impact of players on the same team and it shows Russell was helping us.
The BS egalitarian had a lot to do with the mixed lineups not clicking, each lineup were doing well alone there is no need to nitpick the playing time from one individual player while the results were good. With the new acquisitions Luke could find ways to make the team click with a myriad of lineups and could give more time to players viewed as our top assets still competing. We don't have the talent to win much more than we did. |
Even when Russell came back, he still wasn't 100%, which is why he missed games after he came back the first time.
He didn't look like himself until late February/March.
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nash
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: |
Even when Russell came back, he still wasn't 100%, which is why he missed games after he came back the first time.
He didn't look like himself until late February/March. |
Just like last season when he came back tearing it after the all star break fading a bit at the end of the season. |
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| AY2043 wrote: | Kendall Marshall => Derek Fisher => Tyler Ennis => Eddie Jones
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Don't forget Norman Powell |
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| nash wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: |
Even when Russell came back, he still wasn't 100%, which is why he missed games after he came back the first time.
He didn't look like himself until late February/March. |
Just like last season when he came back tearing it after the all star break fading a bit at the end of the season. |
pretty darn obvious at this point you don't criticize Russell cause you "care."
Perhaps it would potentially be best if you just avoided this thread altogether at this point.
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nash
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | nash wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: |
Even when Russell came back, he still wasn't 100%, which is why he missed games after he came back the first time.
He didn't look like himself until late February/March. |
Just like last season when he came back tearing it after the all star break fading a bit at the end of the season. |
pretty darn obvious at this point you don't criticize Russell cause you "care."
Perhaps it would potentially be best if you just avoided this thread altogether at this point. |
It is a matter of maturity to understand that players have strengths and flaws and we should be able to discuss both. The kid is a good player, what is the point here? |
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| Maybe we should have two threads for Laker personnel. One where you only say nice things. The other where you're allowed to offer critiques. smh |
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The Logo
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Dominator
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Maybe we should have two threads for Laker personnel. One where you only say nice things. The other where you're allowed to offer critiques. smh |
We actually need 3 threads. One for nice things, one for critiques, and one for the the type of nonsense that makes up about 90% of this thread. |
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nash
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:10 am Post subject: |
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P&M is not the same as criticizing specific points of a player you think makes your team better 
Dlo is one of our best players, no question about that. |
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SocalDevin
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Truly sad that it has come to this.. One would think we were teenagers, with adult intellect accompanied with raging adolescent emotions. |
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| nash wrote: |
P&M is not the same as criticizing specific points of a player you think makes your team better
Dlo is one of our best players, no question about that. |
Agreed. Look at John Wall of Wizards. He has been focusing on setting up the team before he finally showcases his scoring skills. It's a different approach as compare to other great PG like Rose and Lilard. I think Dlo is following Wall's method by developing himself in setting up team offense first. The shooting touch is there. I have reason to question his scoring potential.
Hope Ingram can fill a role like Beal and form the skeleton wiith Dlo of us.
Comparing with Wizards duo:
Wall: set up offense, defense and score at big time
Beal: score, defense, and set up offense sometimes
Dlo: set up offense, score and defense
Ingram: score, defense and set up offense something
Conditioning wise, our duo are still very weak. |
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| Sina wrote: | | nash wrote: |
P&M is not the same as criticizing specific points of a player you think makes your team better
Dlo is one of our best players, no question about that. |
Agreed. Look at John Wall of Wizards. He has been focusing on setting up the team before he finally showcases his scoring skills. It's a different approach as compare to other great PG like Rose and Lilard. I think Dlo is following Wall's method by developing himself in setting up team offense first. The shooting touch is there. I have reason to question his scoring potential.
Hope Ingram can fill a role like Beal and form the skeleton wiith Dlo of us.
Comparing with Wizards duo:
Wall: set up offense, defense and score at big time
Beal: score, defense, and set up offense sometimes
Dlo: set up offense, score and defense
Ingram: score, defense and set up offense something
Conditioning wise, our duo are still very weak. |
I personally don't see ingram as "beal". we need another SG prospect to fill that role -- a 3 and D marksman. terrance ferguson from this draft would be that type of player. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| vdogg11 wrote: | | Sina wrote: | | nash wrote: |
P&M is not the same as criticizing specific points of a player you think makes your team better
Dlo is one of our best players, no question about that. |
Agreed. Look at John Wall of Wizards. He has been focusing on setting up the team before he finally showcases his scoring skills. It's a different approach as compare to other great PG like Rose and Lilard. I think Dlo is following Wall's method by developing himself in setting up team offense first. The shooting touch is there. I have reason to question his scoring potential.
Hope Ingram can fill a role like Beal and form the skeleton wiith Dlo of us.
Comparing with Wizards duo:
Wall: set up offense, defense and score at big time
Beal: score, defense, and set up offense sometimes
Dlo: set up offense, score and defense
Ingram: score, defense and set up offense something
Conditioning wise, our duo are still very weak. |
I personally don't see ingram as "beal". we need another SG prospect to fill that role -- a 3 and D marksman. terrance ferguson from this draft would be that type of player. |
I see dlo as beal we need a wall |
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| Yeah I'm concerned with how Ball's game will translate to the NBA and his stroke, not pretty. If he is successfully I'd rather have him paired with DLO. They'd be a crafty team. We know what we have with DLO asks he can only improve. He's sneaky and I like it. |
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| Sina wrote: | | nash wrote: |
P&M is not the same as criticizing specific points of a player you think makes your team better
Dlo is one of our best players, no question about that. |
Agreed. Look at John Wall of Wizards. He has been focusing on setting up the team before he finally showcases his scoring skills. It's a different approach as compare to other great PG like Rose and Lilard. I think Dlo is following Wall's method by developing himself in setting up team offense first. The shooting touch is there. I have reason to question his scoring potential.
Hope Ingram can fill a role like Beal and form the skeleton wiith Dlo of us.
Comparing with Wizards duo:
Wall: set up offense, defense and score at big time
Beal: score, defense, and set up offense sometimes
Dlo: set up offense, score and defense
Ingram: score, defense and set up offense something
Conditioning wise, our duo are still very weak. |
DLo is not as dynamic as Wall. He lack the athleticism and the footspeed to be that player. His scoring will be heavy reliant on whether his shots are falling. DLo can run the offense though from the pick and roll and post. He also can be a good team versatile defender with his size and good length. He's more of flashy version of Jalen Rose. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| KOBE WAN wrote: | | Yeah I'm concerned with how Ball's game will translate to the NBA and his stroke, not pretty. If he is successfully I'd rather have him paired with DLO. They'd be a crafty team. We know what we have with DLO asks he can only improve. He's sneaky and I like it. |
His strength translate well to the NBA. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | KOBE WAN wrote: | | Yeah I'm concerned with how Ball's game will translate to the NBA and his stroke, not pretty. If he is successfully I'd rather have him paired with DLO. They'd be a crafty team. We know what we have with DLO asks he can only improve. He's sneaky and I like it. |
His strength translate well to the NBA. |
I disagree.
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nash
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| saetarubia wrote: |
Lol at him calling out others when he was the biggest fanboy himself. Dude wanted JC to get 60 M+ contract. How's that even in the best interest of Lakers? I bet all the "DLo fanboys" would rather have him on rookie contract as long as we could and build a good team. |
Dude just got mad that posters could tell whatever they wanted about his boy and he was not given the same freedom about theirs.
He crossed the line with the last post, it was personal. |
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| Why bump that, LilJay? It's like some of you guys want the BS and drama. I just wanna talk about D'Angelo Russell in a somewhat reasonable fashion, which I realize is next to impossible. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| nash wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: |
Lol at him calling out others when he was the biggest fanboy himself. Dude wanted JC to get 60 M+ contract. How's that even in the best interest of Lakers? I bet all the "DLo fanboys" would rather have him on rookie contract as long as we could and build a good team. |
Dude just got mad that posters could tell whatever they wanted about his boy and he was not given the same freedom about theirs.
He crossed the line with the last post, it was personal. |
It's funny how the guys that are notorious for being stank in this thread all support each other. |
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