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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:38 pm    Post subject:

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Never understood Philly. Never liked him, never gave him a chance, was never enamored with Oak, so why draft him? Why not shoot for the stars in Kristaps? If KP turns out to be a bust, which obviously he isn't, who cares? That gamble would have been worth it instead of drafting someone you never wanted. I don't get it. Maybe that was worthy of being laid off for Hinkie.


All that's easy to say in hindsight. But at the time, most teams would have taken Okafor over Kristaps (heck most draft predictions had Emmanuel Mudiay over Kristaps). If you look at the analysis right the draft, most people gave the 76ers an A for choosing Okafor, while commenting that Kristaps was a risky pick.


I get that, but based on how they never gave him a chance, then why does any of that analysis matter? They drafted someone they didn't like, when you should always trust your own scouting. But then again, mabye that's a reflection of the lack of confidence in their department.

I mean it wasn't easy for the Lakers. D'LO over Okafor was quite controversial as well. When you got supposed brains in the media such as Magic and Phil Jackson raving about Oakafor. The Lakers trusted their own scouting, which was wrong about KP too btw, but nevertheless, they went with their own draft board.


The way I see it, the 76ers have a center (Embidd) whose future was unclear, so they took the best available player. He had a good, but not great rookie season. The next year, Embiid finally returned, and was head and shoulders better, making Okafor unnecessary.

Towns was the clear #1 pick and after that there was a mixed bag of guys with pros and cons. And then you just throw the dice. And if you make the wrong choice, as most teams do, you get second guessed.

But that's the draft. The good choices are dismissed as "no brainers," while the bad choices are considered stupid mistakes that should have been obvious.

I mean heck if the Knicks were so brilliant for choosing Kristaps, why did they take Frank Ntilikina instead of Donovan Mitchell the next time around. And the reason is you don't always get lucky.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:14 am    Post subject:

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Can we officially change the name of this site to Netsground.net now?

I believe all parties on this forum can now rejoice in our fandom of that team.


One guy was never a Laker and the other was here just two years, yet some Laker fans have developed deep emotional attachments to each....lol..

In the past, hard core sports fans would have discussed their favorite teams with only co-workers, family and friends, and the majority of those people wouldn't be as passionate so the conversations would be limited. Now there are pages upon pages of discussions, between the like minded, about prospective draft choices and this saturation causes fans to develop emotional attachments to something that never was or was short lived. The internet has warped reality.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:39 am    Post subject:

the Nets have a better record than the Lakers?????????? I haven't been paying attention, but lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:10 am    Post subject:

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the Nets have a better record than the Lakers?????????? I haven't been paying attention, but lol.


East is a joke
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject:

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the Nets have a better record than the Lakers?????????? I haven't been paying attention, but lol.


East is a joke


True but I'm all for Cleveland getting a worse pick.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:49 pm    Post subject:

Out of curiosity, I looked to see what DLO's DRPM is. After not playing for weeks, it's bumped up to -1.3. LOL I guess RPM is figuring out the Nets' defense is trash one way or another.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject:

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Out of curiosity, I looked to see what DLO's DRPM is. After not playing for weeks, it's bumped up to -1.3. LOL I guess RPM is figuring out the Nets' defense is trash one way or another.


Now that they have Okafor, Brooklyn's defense will somehow get worse.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:58 pm    Post subject:

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Out of curiosity, I looked to see what DLO's DRPM is. After not playing for weeks, it's bumped up to -1.3. LOL I guess RPM is figuring out the Nets' defense is trash one way or another.


Now that they have Okafor, Brooklyn's defense will somehow get worse.


For posterity: Mozgov's RPM splits are -2.99, 1.29, -1.7 (ORPM/DRPM/RPM).
Let's see how much those numbers get boosted in the coming months as he gets compared to Okafor lol
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject:

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Wow. DLo and Oak in one team.

I had suggested in Okafor thread that Nets might go for him.

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Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.


Marks got a second round pick for an expiring. Not bad. Maybe they will turn Oak into something similar to Kanter in some time. Instant offense from the bench.


I actually wouldnt be surprised if the Nets and Lakers dont do a DLO trade part 2.

If I was the Nets, I would explore sending Okafor to the Lakers. Very similar situation as Brooke Lopez (Expiring Big Man, who Magic likes)

The Nets can probably get Randle and Zu from the Lakers. Its clear that Lakers do not like Randle, and Zu fits better with DLO than with Ball.

Possible Trade:

Deng/Randle/ZU/Draft Considerations

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Okafor/DeMarre

DeMarre is easier to move than Deng is. The Nets would keep getting draft picks and young assets while eating bad Ks.
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Never understood Philly. Never liked him, never gave him a chance, was never enamored with Oak, so why draft him? Why not shoot for the stars in Kristaps? If KP turns out to be a bust, which obviously he isn't, who cares? That gamble would have been worth it instead of drafting someone you never wanted. I don't get it. Maybe that was worthy of being laid off for Hinkie.


Hinkie has had several misses in the draft. Embiid was an obvious one at #3 after being projected as #1 pre-injury.


I think the fact that everyone screws up was kind of baked into "The Process." If you give yourself enough chances at it, eventually you're gonna find a couple of studs that are worth building around, which is what ended up happening.



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Never understood Philly. Never liked him, never gave him a chance, was never enamored with Oak, so why draft him? Why not shoot for the stars in Kristaps? If KP turns out to be a bust, which obviously he isn't, who cares? That gamble would have been worth it instead of drafting someone you never wanted. I don't get it. Maybe that was worthy of being laid off for Hinkie.


All that's easy to say in hindsight. But at the time, most teams would have taken Okafor over Kristaps (heck most draft predictions had Emmanuel Mudiay over Kristaps). If you look at the analysis right the draft, most people gave the 76ers an A for choosing Okafor, while commenting that Kristaps was a risky pick.


I get that, but based on how they never gave him a chance, then why does any of that analysis matter? They drafted someone they didn't like, when you should always trust your own scouting. But then again, mabye that's a reflection of the lack of confidence in their department.

I mean it wasn't easy for the Lakers. D'LO over Okafor was quite controversial as well. When you got supposed brains in the media such as Magic and Phil Jackson raving about Oakafor. The Lakers trusted their own scouting, which was wrong about KP too btw, but nevertheless, they went with their own draft board.


Werent there media reports about Jim being enamored with Kristaps and being mocked for it. Either way, the Lakers decision at that moment was clearly Okafor v. DLO.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:38 pm    Post subject:

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Never understood Philly. Never liked him, never gave him a chance, was never enamored with Oak, so why draft him? Why not shoot for the stars in Kristaps? If KP turns out to be a bust, which obviously he isn't, who cares? That gamble would have been worth it instead of drafting someone you never wanted. I don't get it. Maybe that was worthy of being laid off for Hinkie.


All that's easy to say in hindsight. But at the time, most teams would have taken Okafor over Kristaps (heck most draft predictions had Emmanuel Mudiay over Kristaps). If you look at the analysis right the draft, most people gave the 76ers an A for choosing Okafor, while commenting that Kristaps was a risky pick.


I get that, but based on how they never gave him a chance, then why does any of that analysis matter? They drafted someone they didn't like, when you should always trust your own scouting. But then again, mabye that's a reflection of the lack of confidence in their department.

I mean it wasn't easy for the Lakers. D'LO over Okafor was quite controversial as well. When you got supposed brains in the media such as Magic and Phil Jackson raving about Oakafor. The Lakers trusted their own scouting, which was wrong about KP too btw, but nevertheless, they went with their own draft board.


Werent there media reports about Jim being enamored with Kristaps and being mocked for it. Either way, the Lakers decision at that moment was clearly Okafor v. DLO.


Its hard to say, there were reports that everyone loved KP, but no one thought their fan base would accept it. A lot of Knicks fan were insanely unhappy they took him, and that was after the 2 generational centers and amazing shooting PG were taken. Taking him at 2 would have been suicide in the media.

Also, take a look what we would have seen if we drafted him with Byron, he said he wanted an extension if they drafted him because he expected KP to suck for a while.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244259/Lakers-Challenged-Kristaps-Porzingis-Physicality-During-Pre-Draft-Workout

On the other hand, there were reports from that time that the Lakers were very high on him after his workout
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/13/8775675/kristaps-porzingis-had-an-amazing-workout-against-no-one

Probably the best answer is that some people internally liked him enough to take at #2 (or to trade down), and others didn't.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject:

How crazy is it the Nets have Russ and Oakafor? I thought we would pick Okafor over Russ now they have both.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:56 pm    Post subject:

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How crazy is it the Nets have Russ and Oakafor? I thought we would pick Okafor over Russ now they have both.


They gave up very little for them too. Brook was an expiring and they could have had Kuz at pick 21 if they really wanted him. Pretty smart to scoop up assets (though Oak isn’t one to me especially bc his team option was declined).
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10scott10 wrote:
foshowtime wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
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Runway8 wrote:
Never understood Philly. Never liked him, never gave him a chance, was never enamored with Oak, so why draft him? Why not shoot for the stars in Kristaps? If KP turns out to be a bust, which obviously he isn't, who cares? That gamble would have been worth it instead of drafting someone you never wanted. I don't get it. Maybe that was worthy of being laid off for Hinkie.


All that's easy to say in hindsight. But at the time, most teams would have taken Okafor over Kristaps (heck most draft predictions had Emmanuel Mudiay over Kristaps). If you look at the analysis right the draft, most people gave the 76ers an A for choosing Okafor, while commenting that Kristaps was a risky pick.


I get that, but based on how they never gave him a chance, then why does any of that analysis matter? They drafted someone they didn't like, when you should always trust your own scouting. But then again, mabye that's a reflection of the lack of confidence in their department.

I mean it wasn't easy for the Lakers. D'LO over Okafor was quite controversial as well. When you got supposed brains in the media such as Magic and Phil Jackson raving about Oakafor. The Lakers trusted their own scouting, which was wrong about KP too btw, but nevertheless, they went with their own draft board.


Werent there media reports about Jim being enamored with Kristaps and being mocked for it. Either way, the Lakers decision at that moment was clearly Okafor v. DLO.


Its hard to say, there were reports that everyone loved KP, but no one thought their fan base would accept it. A lot of Knicks fan were insanely unhappy they took him, and that was after the 2 generational centers and amazing shooting PG were taken. Taking him at 2 would have been suicide in the media.

Also, take a look what we would have seen if we drafted him with Byron, he said he wanted an extension if they drafted him because he expected KP to suck for a while.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244259/Lakers-Challenged-Kristaps-Porzingis-Physicality-During-Pre-Draft-Workout

On the other hand, there were reports from that time that the Lakers were very high on him after his workout
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/13/8775675/kristaps-porzingis-had-an-amazing-workout-against-no-one

Probably the best answer is that some people internally liked him enough to take at #2 (or to trade down), and others didn't.


I think the best description is that there was internal disagreement in the organization. I think given the #2 PIck and the Politics at play it would be hard for the Lakers to have taken KP.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:22 pm    Post subject:

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Runway8 wrote:
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Never understood Philly. Never liked him, never gave him a chance, was never enamored with Oak, so why draft him? Why not shoot for the stars in Kristaps? If KP turns out to be a bust, which obviously he isn't, who cares? That gamble would have been worth it instead of drafting someone you never wanted. I don't get it. Maybe that was worthy of being laid off for Hinkie.


All that's easy to say in hindsight. But at the time, most teams would have taken Okafor over Kristaps (heck most draft predictions had Emmanuel Mudiay over Kristaps). If you look at the analysis right the draft, most people gave the 76ers an A for choosing Okafor, while commenting that Kristaps was a risky pick.


I get that, but based on how they never gave him a chance, then why does any of that analysis matter? They drafted someone they didn't like, when you should always trust your own scouting. But then again, mabye that's a reflection of the lack of confidence in their department.

I mean it wasn't easy for the Lakers. D'LO over Okafor was quite controversial as well. When you got supposed brains in the media such as Magic and Phil Jackson raving about Oakafor. The Lakers trusted their own scouting, which was wrong about KP too btw, but nevertheless, they went with their own draft board.


Werent there media reports about Jim being enamored with Kristaps and being mocked for it. Either way, the Lakers decision at that moment was clearly Okafor v. DLO.


Its hard to say, there were reports that everyone loved KP, but no one thought their fan base would accept it. A lot of Knicks fan were insanely unhappy they took him, and that was after the 2 generational centers and amazing shooting PG were taken. Taking him at 2 would have been suicide in the media.

Also, take a look what we would have seen if we drafted him with Byron, he said he wanted an extension if they drafted him because he expected KP to suck for a while.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244259/Lakers-Challenged-Kristaps-Porzingis-Physicality-During-Pre-Draft-Workout

On the other hand, there were reports from that time that the Lakers were very high on him after his workout
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/13/8775675/kristaps-porzingis-had-an-amazing-workout-against-no-one

Probably the best answer is that some people internally liked him enough to take at #2 (or to trade down), and others didn't.


I think the best description is that there was internal disagreement in the organization. I think given the #2 PIck and the Politics at play it would be hard for the Lakers to have taken KP.


Just imagine:

Pozingis/Randle/Ingram/Lonzo + Kuzma, Nance, Clarkson

DLO had every reason to get #2 and I think having Okafor and DLO so proven in their one year in college, it made it to for Mitch and Co. to take KP. Had he busted, they would have looked like fools.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:21 am    Post subject:

Apparently Byron didn't like KP in a workout, probably thought he was too frail. But the other problem was jules out the season before, and the Lakers probably though KP was a "PF," and didn't have enough info on Jules. I think it's safe to presume they didn't want to invest 2 high lottery picks on PFs.
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Apparently Byron didn't like KP in a workout, probably thought he was too frail. But the other problem was jules out the season before, and the Lakers probably though KP was a "PF," and didn't have enough info on Jules. I think it's safe to presume they didn't want to invest 2 high lottery picks on PFs.

Ironically, KP would've developed into the perfect C for Julius to play alongside.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject:

Maybe some old school thinking by the decision makers at the time.

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Apparently Byron didn't like KP in a workout, probably thought he was too frail. But the other problem was jules out the season before, and the Lakers probably though KP was a "PF," and didn't have enough info on Jules. I think it's safe to presume they didn't want to invest 2 high lottery picks on PFs.


Ironically, the biggest complaint I heard was whether they thought he could support carrying enough weight to play five, along with his durability concerns with or without added weight.
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Apparently Byron didn't like KP in a workout, probably thought he was too frail. But the other problem was jules out the season before, and the Lakers probably though KP was a "PF," and didn't have enough info on Jules. I think it's safe to presume they didn't want to invest 2 high lottery picks on PFs.


Ironically, the biggest complaint I heard was whether they thought he could support carrying enough weight to play five, along with his durability concerns with or without added weight.


Which at the time was a fair concern.

I think losing Jules in year 1 really was a blow to this team long-term. Lost 1 year of evaluating him. What if after his rookie year, the team thought it needed a better "PF" option and elected to trade down to get KP?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:50 pm    Post subject:

Okafor has slimmed down quite a bit from his rookie season.

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Don't know what this says about Russell but the Nets have gone 6-7 without him. Also without Lin in that time. With Russ they were 4-8.

Okafor, Russell together is just ironic in so many ways from our perspective. Longterm Nets have quietly gotten some good young players or prospects.

Allen
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With an outstanding coach.

Do they have their draft pick this year? They should.
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