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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject:

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This summer, Zubac + Nance Jr. will each shoot 100 3s after informal workouts at Laker facility and track on a whiteboard how many they make
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject:

That's a tough one, no idea who i'd put my money on
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject:

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This summer, Zubac + Nance Jr. will each shoot 100 3s after informal workouts at Laker facility and track on a whiteboard how many they make
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His shot looked pretty good at the end of the year. If he hits over 35% on 3+ attempts this year he's going be a huge asset.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject:

He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject:

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He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject:

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He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/

You can break down 20-24 ft into two types of shots: corner 3s and long 2s.

Randle from corner 3: 9-26 (34.6%)
Nance from corner 3: 6-19 (31.6%)

Nance being better at long 2s (46.7% vs. 20%) doesn't surprise me, but I also don't think it means all that much. They should be stretching to the 3 point line.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject:

jump higher =/= more athletic
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 2:41 pm    Post subject:

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He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.


Which I think also corresponds with long stretches of general inactivity or lack of imposing himself on the game. He gets a pass because he's on the bench, but as a starter those would stick out a lot more. He knows it, mentioned it and started to improve that a little near the end of last season. I'm hoping he figures that out this season.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
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greenfrog wrote:
He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.


Which I think also corresponds with long stretches of general inactivity or lack of imposing himself on the game. He gets a pass because he's on the bench, but as a starter those would stick out a lot more. He knows it, mentioned it and started to improve that a little near the end of last season. I'm hoping he figures that out this season.


Oh for sure, Nance can certainly improve! I can't wait to see DLO, Randle and Nance's third season!
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 5:32 pm    Post subject:

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greenfrog wrote:
He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.


Which I think also corresponds with long stretches of general inactivity or lack of imposing himself on the game. He gets a pass because he's on the bench, but as a starter those would stick out a lot more. He knows it, mentioned it and started to improve that a little near the end of last season. I'm hoping he figures that out this season.


I'm not sure if there's much to extrapolate here given the nature of the season at that point and the small sample size, but as a starter his rebounding percentage spiked to 18.7% (context: Ruby Gobert's is 21.8%). Was is it because, as you suggest, he was more dialed in? If that's the case maybe they should start him.


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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject:

Honestly I think nance is the better player for us. Randle might be more talented but I prefer nance if there is anyone I would like to see traded it is randle. I think nance should be logging 36 minutes a night with whoever we pick at 28 logging another 12 minutes at pf and 12 minutes at center
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject:

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Honestly I think nance is the better player for us. Randle might be more talented but I prefer nance if there is anyone I would like to see traded it is randle. I think nance should be logging 36 minutes a night with whoever we pick at 28 logging another 12 minutes at pf and 12 minutes at center


I think he's the perfect compliment to Lonzo with his touch passes after rebounds. Often he'll have passed it before touching the ground. Also plays like this: http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/1_49_1_41__3Q__LAL_SAC__2_14_(Larry_Nance)_2gif.mp4

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
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Dr. Funkbot wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.


Which I think also corresponds with long stretches of general inactivity or lack of imposing himself on the game. He gets a pass because he's on the bench, but as a starter those would stick out a lot more. He knows it, mentioned it and started to improve that a little near the end of last season. I'm hoping he figures that out this season.


I'm not sure if there's much to extrapolate here given the nature of the season at that point and the small sample size, but as a starter his rebounding percentage spiked to 18.7% (context: Ruby Gobert's is 21.8%). Was is it because, as you suggest, he was more dialed in? If that's the case maybe they should start him.


I could go back to my game notes to check, but I thought he really started to pick it up another level just prior to those starts at the end of the season.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:12 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, looks like I was commenting on this is how we need him to play just prior to his starts.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject:

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greenfrog wrote:
He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.


Playmaking, potential
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject:

His jumper is looking money in his work out video today.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:42 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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greenfrog wrote:
He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.


Playmaking, potential


Yup Randle is a superior rebounder and playmaker at the 4 due to his handles and speed with the ball.

But- I argue that Nance is the better passer. Dude has made some amazing post passes, his BBIQ is way higher than Randle and it shows in how he passes the ball. The ball moves a lot better on offense when Nance is on the floor. Randle can be a black hole at times.

I think like DB mentioned above that Nance's rebounding numbers would improve with more minutes. Plus, you know that Randle gets a lot of extra rebounds from his collecting his own flailing arms misses when he is in the paint;)
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:09 am    Post subject:

Nance stroking those threes and mid



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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:59 am    Post subject:

Nance's shooting has been money of late.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 12:33 pm    Post subject:

Top of the arc was automatic.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject:

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Top of the arc was automatic.


Year three in the NBA is usually a time when players make a jump! I am excited to see what Nance, Randle and DLO bring to the table next season.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:01 pm    Post subject:

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Dr. Funkbot wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


Rebounding.


Nance is a better shot blocker, defender, has better STL% and TO% and the gap in terms of REB% is not great.

By the way if it is just about rebounds Thomas Robinson and Tarik Black are better rebounders than Julius. I'm talking about stats not the eye test.
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Top of the arc was automatic.


Year three in the NBA is usually a time when players make a jump! I am excited to see what Nance, Randle and DLO bring to the table next season.


He's improved his shooting so much. I went back and watched his old workout video for us, LNJ was missing everything. Now all those misses are makes.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject:

Dr. Funkbot wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
He shot 38% from 20-24ft last season. Yes, on low volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1626204/shooting/


Like I'm saying, I don't know why Nance is not starting. He is a better shooter and finisher than Randle. Much better rim protector and much better overall defender. He is also more athletic than Randle.


I actually do know why he wasn't starting last season. They were building assets and looking for a star to break out, and for a few weeks it looked like Randle had.

Now we're in Lonzo/team building territory. More so than with any young player I've seen, you need the right parts around him to truly get the full impact of what he brings. While I love him, this thing can also go really sideways if you put the wrong pieces around him. If players aren't moving the ball, reading the floor, setting off the ball screens, running the lanes (I'm not even getting into the shooting), he can look very pedestrian. Nance to me is the guy who can do all of that the best.
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