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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
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| defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
I think it is important to keep in mind the difference between their ages and experience. Randle dominated high school and then played 1 year of college where he was the primary offensive option. He hasn't had a whole lot of experience not being the 1st option. Larry, on the other hand, played 4 years of college ball and was never offensively dominant. Larry has a lot more experience when it comes to blending into a team concept.
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| defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
I think your conflating starter/bench player with role.
He may start but the way he earns that will be by not trying to be a featured player.
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Deng, Ingram and Nance all have elite length as natural forwards (standing reaches north of 9') and can cover ground. Ingram and Nance also give you weak side shot blocking. Great defensive potential as a trio. In terms of who you play them with, the gaps include rebounding, shooting, anchoring and playmaking. Russell is a natural pairing as he's above average by position at three of those things while also giving you great length at guard. If you play the trio at 2/3/4, Randle gives you rebounding as a small-ball five with playmaking upside. But if he and Nance don't improve their shots, you lack spacing and you will live without anchoring. Mozgov gives you anchoring but you are short on playmaking and have only marginally improved spacing. Yi is a wildcard and will have to shoot the long ball well to warrant PT. Black and Zubac are projects.
If you play the trio at 3/4/5, you can slot in a scorer at guard. Jordan gives you shooting and playmaking while the unit loses rebounding and perimeter defense. Lou is in the same mold with less playmaking. Brown gives you length and defense but has to shoot well to offset his other limitations.
Everyone needs to grow and learn to execute as a unit on both ends. Lou, Calderon, Yi, Black and Young represent salary that can be used to fill missing skill sets especially at wing and on their perimeter defensively.
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| DoubleClutch wrote: | | defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
I think it is important to keep in mind the difference between their ages and experience. Randle dominated high school and then played 1 year of college where he was the primary offensive option. He hasn't had a whole lot of experience not being the 1st option. Larry, on the other hand, played 4 years of college ball and was never offensively dominant. Larry has a lot more experience when it comes to blending into a team concept. |
I agree and think Randle should be given a minimum of 3 seasons to show what he can do. I'm only giving my opinion on what I see currently. Guys can turn into hall of fame players or mediocre ones, only time will tell as far as that is concerned. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
I think your conflating starter/bench player with role.
He may start but the way he earns that will be by not trying to be a featured player. |
No I am not. I just see the label "role player" differently than some. |
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| defense wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
I think it is important to keep in mind the difference between their ages and experience. Randle dominated high school and then played 1 year of college where he was the primary offensive option. He hasn't had a whole lot of experience not being the 1st option. Larry, on the other hand, played 4 years of college ball and was never offensively dominant. Larry has a lot more experience when it comes to blending into a team concept. |
I agree and think Randle should be given a minimum of 3 seasons to show what he can do. I'm only giving my opinion on what I see currently. Guys can turn into hall of fame players or mediocre ones, only time will tell as far as that is concerned. |
3 total years sure. But contractually he's a 3rd year player now and can be extended next year. Missing that first year was tough. I'm hoping he will showcase a well rounded game this year. Getting a double double under Byron is pretty impressive.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
I think it is important to keep in mind the difference between their ages and experience. Randle dominated high school and then played 1 year of college where he was the primary offensive option. He hasn't had a whole lot of experience not being the 1st option. Larry, on the other hand, played 4 years of college ball and was never offensively dominant. Larry has a lot more experience when it comes to blending into a team concept. |
I agree and think Randle should be given a minimum of 3 seasons to show what he can do. I'm only giving my opinion on what I see currently. Guys can turn into hall of fame players or mediocre ones, only time will tell as far as that is concerned. |
3 total years sure. But contractually he's a 3rd year player now and can be extended next year. Missing that first year was tough. I'm hoping he will showcase a well rounded game this year. Getting a double double under Byron is pretty impressive. |
I don't count his first year because he was hurt. So technically in my mind this is his second year. |
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| defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | defense wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
I think it is important to keep in mind the difference between their ages and experience. Randle dominated high school and then played 1 year of college where he was the primary offensive option. He hasn't had a whole lot of experience not being the 1st option. Larry, on the other hand, played 4 years of college ball and was never offensively dominant. Larry has a lot more experience when it comes to blending into a team concept. |
I agree and think Randle should be given a minimum of 3 seasons to show what he can do. I'm only giving my opinion on what I see currently. Guys can turn into hall of fame players or mediocre ones, only time will tell as far as that is concerned. |
3 total years sure. But contractually he's a 3rd year player now and can be extended next year. Missing that first year was tough. I'm hoping he will showcase a well rounded game this year. Getting a double double under Byron is pretty impressive. |
I don't count his first year because he was hurt. So technically in my mind this is his second year. |
Sure but he's a 3rd year player under the CBA. He's going to get paid soon.
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| defense wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Difference between nance and Randle is nance knows that his role is a role player; Randle is still sorting out in his mind about being a primary offensive weapon. Nance of course excels at something which probably to Randle is a major demotion. |
I don't think Nance sees himself as a role player. I think fans project that because that's what they see or want. I think Nance is one of the more competitive guys of our young players. The difference between Nance and Randle mentally is that Nance is willing to do what the team needs him to do in order to win. Randle on the other hand seems to want to do things his way. I think they both want to be great its just that one is more willing to concede for the success of the team than the other. Hopefully this changes this season and they both turn out to be great team first guys. |
Randle, and others, did what Byron wanted
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| Quote: | | Larry Nance Jr., Los Angeles Lakers: “Individually, my shot is the biggest thing that I wanted to tweak and work on a little bit this offseason. It’s come along really, really nicely. Shooting wasn’t something that I was really asked to do much at Wyoming; I was kind of an around-the-basket specialist. Now, I’m starting to stretch my [range] out and it’s really coming along. I’m going to be shooting some more threes this year. I mean, how many times did we see Harrison Barnes spotting up in the corner and knocking down that corner three this year? That was kind of the inspiration for me, seeing that it can help so much and spread out our offense. I think people can look forward to seeing that a lot more. Besides that, I’ve been working on my ball-handling and decision-making and things like that |
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How do you work on decision making? By making, um, decisions?
Like... OK. Imma gonna have... cereal for breakfast. Yeah. That's it. Cereal.
Training done! |
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| ZenMaster4President wrote: | How do you work on decision making? By making, um, decisions?
Like... OK. Imma gonna have... cereal for breakfast. Yeah. That's it. Cereal.
Training done! |
this is a joke right...?
You improve decision making by watching film and understanding how defenses are countering you, when to make the extra pass etc. You also improve decision making with experience. |
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| Quote: | | Larry Nance Jr., Los Angeles Lakers: “Individually, my shot is the biggest thing that I wanted to tweak and work on a little bit this offseason. It’s come along really, really nicely. Shooting wasn’t something that I was really asked to do much at Wyoming; I was kind of an around-the-basket specialist. Now, I’m starting to stretch my [range] out and it’s really coming along. I’m going to be shooting some more threes this year. I mean, how many times did we see Harrison Barnes spotting up in the corner and knocking down that corner three this year? That was kind of the inspiration for me, seeing that it can help so much and spread out our offense. I think people can look forward to seeing that a lot more. Besides that, I’ve been working on my ball-handling and decision-making and things like that |
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I remember when we were on the clock and we drafted Nance, how everyone was saying "Who the heck" this guy was....
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | ZenMaster4President wrote: | How do you work on decision making? By making, um, decisions?
Like... OK. Imma gonna have... cereal for breakfast. Yeah. That's it. Cereal.
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this is a joke right...?
You improve decision making by watching film and understanding how defenses are countering you, when to make the extra pass etc. You also improve decision making with experience. |
From my experience with sports Liljay24 is correct. Studying and experience/repetition are two great ways to improve decision making. Understanding one's limitations is critical to making better decisions. |
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| I think it's interesting that nance compared himself to Harrison Barnes instead of draymond. Wouldn't it be interesting if nance is the player sliding over to the 3 and deng plays the 4? |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | I think it's interesting that nance compared himself to Harrison Barnes instead of draymond. Wouldn't it be interesting if nance is the player sliding over to the 3 and deng plays the 4? |
Byron brainwashed him. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | I think it's interesting that nance compared himself to Harrison Barnes instead of draymond. Wouldn't it be interesting if nance is the player sliding over to the 3 and deng plays the 4? |
Huh? He only used Barnes to show how players in the offense will get tons of 3s, and will need to make those 3s. That was Barnes' role, and that's why he was mentioned... |
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| tox wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | I think it's interesting that nance compared himself to Harrison Barnes instead of draymond. Wouldn't it be interesting if nance is the player sliding over to the 3 and deng plays the 4? |
Huh? He only used Barnes to show how players in the offense will get tons of 3s, and will need to make those 3s. That was Barnes' role, and that's why he was mentioned... |
I understand. I just find it interesting that he used the starting 3 from gsw to illustrate his point. IMO it hints at how he views himself. |
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| Btw I still think nance is capable of playing the 3 if he continues to develop his ballhandling and shooting. Both areas he's working on this summer |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | Btw I still think nance is capable of playing the 3 if he continues to develop his ballhandling and shooting. Both areas he's working on this summer |
He brought that up last season as well. You might be on to something. Maybe he eventually wants to play some 3. |
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| defense wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | Btw I still think nance is capable of playing the 3 if he continues to develop his ballhandling and shooting. Both areas he's working on this summer |
He brought that up last season as well. You might be on to something. Maybe he eventually wants to play some 3. |
hes a really interesting prospect. Even though he's a 4 year senior hes still not finished developing as a player. I think around the time we drafted him he compared himself to KL from he Spurs defensively. Just another hint that he may view himself as a SF going forward. Another indicator is that he's said multiple times that he thinks he and Julius can play togther. I always thought that meant at the 4/5 but maybe not. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | tox wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | I think it's interesting that nance compared himself to Harrison Barnes instead of draymond. Wouldn't it be interesting if nance is the player sliding over to the 3 and deng plays the 4? |
Huh? He only used Barnes to show how players in the offense will get tons of 3s, and will need to make those 3s. That was Barnes' role, and that's why he was mentioned... |
I understand. I just find it interesting that he used the starting 3 from gsw to illustrate his point. IMO it hints at how he views himself. |
Fair enough. Though I'll disagree on that interpretation, defense is right that he did mention playing the 3 last year. So maybe you are onto something, even if I don't see it from this quote. |
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| tox wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | tox wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | I think it's interesting that nance compared himself to Harrison Barnes instead of draymond. Wouldn't it be interesting if nance is the player sliding over to the 3 and deng plays the 4? |
Huh? He only used Barnes to show how players in the offense will get tons of 3s, and will need to make those 3s. That was Barnes' role, and that's why he was mentioned... |
I understand. I just find it interesting that he used the starting 3 from gsw to illustrate his point. IMO it hints at how he views himself. |
Fair enough. Though I'll disagree on that interpretation, defense is right that he did mention playing the 3 last year. So maybe you are onto something, even if I don't see it from this quote. |
Fwiw, Barnes played a fair amount at 4 last year, including most of the time that Draymond switched to five. That was their Death lineup, and one that la may emulate with randle in the Draymond role. And I think he was specifically speaking of Barnes in that role in regards to shooting. It is a given that a three is supposed to shoot 3s. He was speaking of the stretch element at four.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | tox wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | tox wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | I think it's interesting that nance compared himself to Harrison Barnes instead of draymond. Wouldn't it be interesting if nance is the player sliding over to the 3 and deng plays the 4? |
Huh? He only used Barnes to show how players in the offense will get tons of 3s, and will need to make those 3s. That was Barnes' role, and that's why he was mentioned... |
I understand. I just find it interesting that he used the starting 3 from gsw to illustrate his point. IMO it hints at how he views himself. |
Fair enough. Though I'll disagree on that interpretation, defense is right that he did mention playing the 3 last year. So maybe you are onto something, even if I don't see it from this quote. |
Fwiw, Barnes played a fair amount at 4 last year, including most of the time that Draymond switched to five. That was their Death lineup, and one that la may emulate with randle in the Draymond role. And I think he was specifically speaking of Barnes in that role in regards to shooting. It is a given that a three is supposed to shoot 3s. He was speaking of the stretch element at four. |
This is the most likely answer. I still wonder why he thinks it's important to work on his ball handling. He seems like his ball handling is good enough after watching summer league to play the 4 |
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