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unleasHell
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I really wish the Spectrum Laker commercials that talk about the young exciting core would include Nance!
they only have Randle, Ingram, Clarkson and Russell... (sad)
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | He would be in line for a Clarkson type of deal, I don't see him commanding more. |
But Clarkson could have earned more from teams like Philly or maybe Nets. Teams that needed talent at the guard spot, and he signed for what was considered a home discount.
Teams needing a forward could overpay for him. I also won't forget how high the Spurs were on him pre-draft. Lakers gotta lock up this guy. |
I doubt Larry even hits restricted free agency in summer 2019. The only question will be how much he earns on his extension. |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | He would be in line for a Clarkson type of deal, I don't see him commanding more. |
But Clarkson could have earned more from teams like Philly or maybe Nets. Teams that needed talent at the guard spot, and he signed for what was considered a home discount.
Teams needing a forward could overpay for him. I also won't forget how high the Spurs were on him pre-draft. Lakers gotta lock up this guy. |
While money is a factor, there are others. He likes it here. He likes his teammates. He's in the perfect role for his abilities. His coach seems to be okay and the team in general appears to be on the upswing.
Would an extra few million make it worth it to go to a potential dumpster fire of a team? |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Larry Nance will get his money
but what will Gary Lance get ?
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | He would be in line for a Clarkson type of deal, I don't see him commanding more. |
But Clarkson could have earned more from teams like Philly or maybe Nets. Teams that needed talent at the guard spot, and he signed for what was considered a home discount.
Teams needing a forward could overpay for him. I also won't forget how high the Spurs were on him pre-draft. Lakers gotta lock up this guy. |
While money is a factor, there are others. He likes it here. He likes his teammates. He's in the perfect role for his abilities. His coach seems to be okay and the team in general appears to be on the upswing.
Would an extra few million make it worth it to go to a potential dumpster fire of a team? |
With his personality, I think he could make that money back in other ways being in LA. Especially if the Lakers are competing for championships. |
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| Speaking of basketball, after 21 games, Dlo and Young are out and the offense is needing help. Ingram is asserting himself offensively by shooting shots when it's called for. Larry is passing up too many shots for my taste, playing too unselfish. He needs to be a threat to do something besides dunk and rebound. He practiced shooting all off season but he's rarely doing it outside in games. Go figure. |
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| Any update on his injury. Too disgusted to watch post game. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Any update on his injury. Too disgusted to watch post game. |
Said just bumped knees, may be able to play tomorrow. |
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| Russell1 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Any update on his injury. Too disgusted to watch post game. |
Said just bumped knees, may be able to play tomorrow. |
Thx. I accept injuries are part of the game, but it really sucks when it happens all at once |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Any update on his injury. Too disgusted to watch post game. |
listed as questionable with a right knee contusion |
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Lakersneuron
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Gary is the most underrated player on our roster.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Lakersneuron wrote: | | Gary is the most underrated player on our roster. |
Not here, he is overrated.
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| Fun fact (although a little depressing): Larry leads the team in assist-to-turnover ratio. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Probably helps that he's not a ball handler
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lakersneuron wrote: | | Gary is the most underrated player on our roster. |
Not here, he is overrated. |
BPM tells us he is our best player. PER and WS are telling he is our second best player behind Lou.
Overrated he is not. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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You can't say x is overrated or underrated on lg because the fanbase is significantly divided on literally everything
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| Chronicle wrote: | | You can't say x is overrated or underrated on lg because the fanbase is significantly divided on literally everything |
It is when posters talk about him being our MVP that I see him being overrated. I love Nance and was excited when we drafted him, but while he is a very important player on the team, there are others that are just better. And that is one of Nance's strengths, he understands what he can do and doesn't try to do more. My only complaints about him were rebounding, which is doing a better job of this season, and passing up open shots. And he has been doing that less lately as well.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't say Nance is underrated because a ton of people around the league and in the Laker fandom are high on him. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | You can't say x is overrated or underrated on lg because the fanbase is significantly divided on literally everything |
It is when posters talk about him being our MVP that I see him being overrated. I love Nance and was excited when we drafted him, but while he is a very important player on the team, there are others that are just better. And that is one of Nance's strengths, he understands what he can do and doesn't try to do more. My only complaints about him were rebounding, which is doing a better job of this season, and passing up open shots. And he has been doing that less lately as well. |
They've been winning games and outscoring opponents (15 out of 20 games before last night) largely because of the bench. I think he's co-MVP with Lou. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | You can't say x is overrated or underrated on lg because the fanbase is significantly divided on literally everything |
It is when posters talk about him being our MVP that I see him being overrated. I love Nance and was excited when we drafted him, but while he is a very important player on the team, there are others that are just better. And that is one of Nance's strengths, he understands what he can do and doesn't try to do more. My only complaints about him were rebounding, which is doing a better job of this season, and passing up open shots. And he has been doing that less lately as well. |
I have it tougher to believe about someone being our MVP without the stats telling the same. It's not the case with Nance, but when someone with Nance's profile is a top 3 player it's a sign that your roster is lacking top quality talent. |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | He would be in line for a Clarkson type of deal, I don't see him commanding more. |
But Clarkson could have earned more from teams like Philly or maybe Nets. Teams that needed talent at the guard spot, and he signed for what was considered a home discount. |
Not guaranteed Clarkson would have gotten more.
| Quote: | | Clarkson and the Lakers could have engaged in a prolonged stalemate as they waited for a team to offer him that Arenas provision contract in restricted free agency, but they instead moved quickly on a deal for $8 million less than he could have signed. |
He would have had to sign a poison pill contract w/ another team. As a restricted free agent, the other teams know the Lakers would likely match.
If he doesn't get that poison pill contract offer from other team and enters into a prolonged stalemate w/ the Lakers, he might not get as much as he did in the end. |
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| Not going to get into the over rated/under rated argument but I think without Nance we almost certainly have more losses. I just like the way he plays. He makes mistakes and doesn't have the greatest skill set but he does his best to help the team win. You see guys way more talented physically and skill wise that have less positive impact. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | You can't say x is overrated or underrated on lg because the fanbase is significantly divided on literally everything |
It is when posters talk about him being our MVP that I see him being overrated. I love Nance and was excited when we drafted him, but while he is a very important player on the team, there are others that are just better. And that is one of Nance's strengths, he understands what he can do and doesn't try to do more. My only complaints about him were rebounding, which is doing a better job of this season, and passing up open shots. And he has been doing that less lately as well. |
They've been winning games and outscoring opponents (15 out of 20 games before last night) largely because of the bench. I think he's co-MVP with Lou. |
I don't think that this team is good enough to have a MVP. And penalizing starters because they are playing against other starters doesn't make sense. If it were Randle and DLO with the bench unit they would be tearing things up. We see how our bench unit loses parts of leads when the other team puts in their starters.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a fan of Nance, but he's nowhere near our second best player. Probably the 5th or 6th best. He's a tough player to rank though because he's reasonably good at most things without being exceptional at them. |
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