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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I have thought that Danny Green is a good comparison. |
People should go take a look his rookie season #'s. |
To be fair, Green's minutes high in his rookie season was 15, he was averaging 5.8mpg and only played 20 games. He never had the opportunity to show what he could do.
AB, even tho his situation is not easy, moving from DNPs to the starting lineup just like that, has played 20 minutes or more in 19 games this season, and six times over 30.
I want him to become a reliable 3&D player, but let's be honest, he hasn't shown enough so far for a guy who was a senior last year and who's already 23. |
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This guy can play, but there are many guys that had the skills to play in the NBA and simply did not "perform"....and now work among us regular folks. There is no question, Brown is not taking advantage of his opportunities. Seems like much of the debate is the "chicken and egg" argument where one side thinks he would perform if given more consistent minutes, while the other claim he has to perform to receive more consistent minutes.
For the most part, the world operates more like the latter than the former. That said, there is too much talent there to give up this quickly. I would not mind Byron using two or three quarters during the remainder of the season to try to spark his confidence. Just pick a 3rd quarter, have Russell & Clarkson look hard to get him the ball, and give him total green light without consequence. I think he could be a guy that a 15 point quarter would go a long way to build his confidence. His defense is not that bad and his shot looks pretty good....and he seems like he has a good feel for the game, or atleast dont look lost when I focus on him. Having a solid SF off the bench would be huge in a year or two. |
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Im not concerned about brown. He's a bench playing 3&D specialist at his best. A High character, high IQ type of guy who is going to be steady. He needs a system in pice that emphasizes ball movement, a player that consistently shifts the defense to create open looks for him, a year in the weight room, and time to get adjusted to the NBA 3p line (look how long it's taken Russell to adjust).
Kid will be fine he has all of the tools, IQ, and character. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | Li'l Antony is shaping up to be Ryan Kelly 2.0 |
I am guessing you don't pay much attention to defense.
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Comparing Brown to Kelly is so far off base. Kelly does absolutely nothing well. The way you overlook that is he can shoot. Well that escaped him in the NBA and he's had years to prove. Brown has played but it's been a strange season. Start. DNP. Start. DNP. He's a sharp kid and plays pretty good D for a rookie considering our team is awful. I would develop him more and see what we truly have. We gave Kelly plenty of time. Brown needs 3 years. I think he's a solid rotation guy once we have offense and a coach. He's much more than what he's shown I believe.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| So we are gravitating from calling Russell a bust to Brown now? Give the guy a chance... |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The Gr8 Lakes wrote: | | Comparing Brown to Kelly is so far off base. Kelly does absolutely nothing well. The way you overlook that is he can shoot. Well that escaped him in the NBA and he's had years to prove. Brown has played but it's been a strange season. Start. DNP. Start. DNP. He's a sharp kid and plays pretty good D for a rookie considering our team is awful. I would develop him more and see what we truly have. We gave Kelly plenty of time. Brown needs 3 years. I think he's a solid rotation guy once we have offense and a coach. He's much more than what he's shown I believe. |
The problem with comparing Brown to Kelly is that Kelly actually had a promising rookie season and then regressed during his sophomore season. Brown hasn't shown the kind of promise this season that Kelly did during his rookie season.
With that being said, we have to remember that Kelly played under MDA during his rookie season and regressed last season under Byron. Both Brown and Kelly are obviously playing under Byron this season, and both have failed to impress. However, I think both guys would look much better in a modern-style offense that emphasizes ball movement and high percentage perimeter looks. |
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| Kobe's out tonight so he has a good opportunity to shine. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The Gr8 Lakes wrote: | | Comparing Brown to Kelly is so far off base. Kelly does absolutely nothing well. The way you overlook that is he can shoot. Well that escaped him in the NBA and he's had years to prove. Brown has played but it's been a strange season. Start. DNP. Start. DNP. He's a sharp kid and plays pretty good D for a rookie considering our team is awful. I would develop him more and see what we truly have. We gave Kelly plenty of time. Brown needs 3 years. I think he's a solid rotation guy once we have offense and a coach. He's much more than what he's shown I believe. |
Agreed 
Not to worry; With hard work over the summer I believe that AB will show a marked improvement in his second season. |
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Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
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| Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
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| Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
Spurs are a different beast. They kept the same coach forever and know what players fit their system.
Us on the otherhand do not. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| You keep him the same reason you keep any rookie. You hope they develop |
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| Dlo1 wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
Spurs are a different beast. They kept the same coach forever and know what players fit their system.
Us on the otherhand do not. |
Is this honestly your response? What, you think the Lakers don't know that a potential 3&D guy in Brown might fit their system?
It doesn't take a genius to see the utility of Brown on any team. Whether he gets there or not is a different question, and incidentally finding out the answer to that question is exactly why he's still on the roster. |
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There are plenty of reasons why he will be back next season. As a rookie AB3 has earned and deserves another chance to show what he can do.
I expect to see noticeable improvement and development in his game over the summer.
Only time will tell but the potential is there, all he needs is the opportunity. |
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| Dlo1 wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
Spurs are a different beast. They kept the same coach forever and know what players fit their system.
Us on the otherhand do not. |
There's your answer.
We don't have run any semblance of a system, so it is impossible to come to a reasonable conclusion on Brown just yet. Even more so when he's still a rookie.
I'd hold off until the Lakers a) get a new coach b) incorporate a new system.
For what it's worth, Byron "Tarik Black'd' Casspi in Cleveland and his iso-heavy offense turned him into a scrub. Does it come as a surprise that he's one of the best three-point shooters in the league now? |
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| Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
Spurs are a different beast. They kept the same coach forever and know what players fit their system.
Us on the otherhand do not. |
There's your answer.
We don't have run any semblance of a system, so it is impossible to come to a reasonable conclusion on Brown just yet. Even more so when he's still a rookie.
I'd hold off until the Lakers a) get a new coach b) incorporate a new system.
For what it's worth, Byron "Tarik Black'd' Casspi in Cleveland and his iso-heavy offense turned him into a scrub. Does it come as a surprise that he's one of the best three-point shooters in the league now? |
I concur!
In a year or two hopefully AB# develops into that guy. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | Li'l Antony is shaping up to be Ryan Kelly 2.0 |
I am guessing you don't pay much attention to defense. |
While I think the potential is there, he needs to really work on his D. |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
Spurs are a different beast. They kept the same coach forever and know what players fit their system.
Us on the otherhand do not. |
There's your answer.
We don't have run any semblance of a system, so it is impossible to come to a reasonable conclusion on Brown just yet. Even more so when he's still a rookie.
I'd hold off until the Lakers a) get a new coach b) incorporate a new system.
For what it's worth, Byron "Tarik Black'd' Casspi in Cleveland and his iso-heavy offense turned him into a scrub. Does it come as a surprise that he's one of the best three-point shooters in the league now? |
I concur!
In a year or two hopefully AB# develops into that guy. |
Look at freaking Josh Richardson in Miami. He's actually what ABrown can become.
This draft was just so good. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| K28 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | Li'l Antony is shaping up to be Ryan Kelly 2.0 |
I am guessing you don't pay much attention to defense. |
While I think the potential is there, he needs to really work on his D. |
It's not saying a lot, but he was pretty much our best perimeter defender.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
Spurs are a different beast. They kept the same coach forever and know what players fit their system.
Us on the otherhand do not. |
There's your answer.
We don't have run any semblance of a system, so it is impossible to come to a reasonable conclusion on Brown just yet. Even more so when he's still a rookie.
I'd hold off until the Lakers a) get a new coach b) incorporate a new system.
For what it's worth, Byron "Tarik Black'd' Casspi in Cleveland and his iso-heavy offense turned him into a scrub. Does it come as a surprise that he's one of the best three-point shooters in the league now? |
Actually, there will be no point.
If we draft Ingram and sign a wing player, Brown will be stuck in d league limbo forever. In addition, at the moment, Brown is not better than Nick Young at the 3 spot. |
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| Dlo1 wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Dlo1 wrote: | Brown's season has been really disappointing to me....
I'm not sure if and why we keep him moving forward. |
Keep him around for the same reasons the Spurs kept Green around. |
Spurs are a different beast. They kept the same coach forever and know what players fit their system.
Us on the otherhand do not. |
There's your answer.
We don't have run any semblance of a system, so it is impossible to come to a reasonable conclusion on Brown just yet. Even more so when he's still a rookie.
I'd hold off until the Lakers a) get a new coach b) incorporate a new system.
For what it's worth, Byron "Tarik Black'd' Casspi in Cleveland and his iso-heavy offense turned him into a scrub. Does it come as a surprise that he's one of the best three-point shooters in the league now? |
Actually, there will be no point.
If we draft Ingram and sign a wing player, Brown will be stuck in d league limbo forever. In addition, at the moment, Brown is not better than Nick Young at the 3 spot. |
Both are shooting in the 30's, but Nick Young is actually taking more shots per game, kills any semblance of ball movement with his pound the ball five times and take a contested pull up, and Brown actually plays good defense. Also signing a free agent is an assumption, same for drafting Ingram, whether we actually keep the pick and can convince an FA to sign. |
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I'm sorry but I don't get the 'love' for Anthony Brown. Brown has actually had a LOT of opportunities this year as a #30-something pick (especially for a Lakers team) and has really done squat with it. He rarely rates a mention in the boxscore ever and rarely seems to make any impact on the floor.
I've been patient with him too - although many said he had 'NBA-ready' shooting - but I just don't see it. He's too timid, not very athletic and doesn't seem to have any type of killer instinct or 'swag' about him
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| LakeShow06 wrote: | I'm sorry but I don't get the 'love' for Anthony Brown. Brown has actually had a LOT of opportunities this year as a #30-something pick (especially for a Lakers team) and has really done squat with it. He rarely rates a mention in the boxscore ever and rarely seems to make any impact on the floor.
I've been patient with him too - although many said he had 'NBA-ready' shooting - but I just don't see it. He's too timid, not very athletic and doesn't seem to have any type of killer instinct or 'swag' about him |
Exactly.
Brown came out as senior and is already 23 turning 24 this year... He should already be ready as a role player of some sort, yet like Black is never in the rotation. He is one year younger than R Kelly |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Dlo1 wrote: | | LakeShow06 wrote: | I'm sorry but I don't get the 'love' for Anthony Brown. Brown has actually had a LOT of opportunities this year as a #30-something pick (especially for a Lakers team) and has really done squat with it. He rarely rates a mention in the boxscore ever and rarely seems to make any impact on the floor.
I've been patient with him too - although many said he had 'NBA-ready' shooting - but I just don't see it. He's too timid, not very athletic and doesn't seem to have any type of killer instinct or 'swag' about him |
Exactly.
Brown came out as senior and is already 23 turning 24 this year... He should already be ready as a role player of some sort, yet like Black is never in the rotation. He is one year younger than R Kelly |
Just like Danny Green? I'm sure the Cavs are glad they cut him. Hell, Draymond got some actual minutes and was trash his first year. The Warriors probably should have cut him as well. |
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