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Who would you have as your Lakers starting center a year from now?
Zubac
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Okafor
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Noel
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Zubac or Okafor or Noel?

All 3 names have (or are) been associated with the Lakers this past year. Aside from the assets it would take to trade for Oak (not much IMO) or Noel (a lot), who would you rather have as the Lakers starting center next year?

Zub: good inside player, soft hands, good touch, possibly an average to above average defender, good FT shooter and shows shooting touch/range.

Oak: really good post up player, already put up 17 ppg last year as featured big man. Poor defender, can't space the floor, low motor.

Noel: really great rim protector, quick hands to steal balls as well. Mobile to cover a ton of space. Below average offensive player. Injury concerns.

I think it is fair to factor in Noel's likely 18-22m/year deal as well.

I think Zub is probably the best option right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:35 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject:

Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:38 am    Post subject:

Who would I rather the Lakers have at starting center? If you asked me for the roster right now, I'd still go with Noel despite what Zubac's showing. Noel is a legit talent, and he provides rim protection more than Zubac does, which is a huge need on this roster.

If you asked me who I'd prefer to have long-term, I'd go with Zubac probably. He's not going to command big money for a while and he's shown potential on the defensive end, he just needs more reps and time to buik up. And his potential on offense is real, and we haven't even seen his shot just yet.

Right now, Noel. Long term, Zubac.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject:

Zub basically represents a likely 18-19m smaller deal than what Noel would fetch (aside from the assets we'd have to surrender to trade for him).

So say it takes JC + Nance + 2nd for Noel, and then 20m to keep him.

Would you take Zub + JC + Nance + 2nd + 20m cap space (say for Holiday) or Noel?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:43 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Zub basically represents a likely 18-19m smaller deal than what Noel would fetch (aside from the assets we'd have to surrender to trade for him).

So say it takes JC + Nance + 2nd for Noel, and then 20m to keep him.

Would you take Zub + JC + Nance + 2nd + 20m cap space (say for Holiday) or Noel?


No- Z is our best prospect at this time IMO. Kid just has that feel for the game on offense and defense.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:44 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Zub basically represents a likely 18-19m smaller deal than what Noel would fetch (aside from the assets we'd have to surrender to trade for him).

So say it takes JC + Nance + 2nd for Noel, and then 20m to keep him.

Would you take Zub + JC + Nance + 2nd + 20m cap space (say for Holiday) or Noel?


I'd just roll with Zu at the end of the day. He is showing a lot very early in his NBA career at 19. Breaks my heart though, I love Noel.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Zub basically represents a likely 18-19m smaller deal than what Noel would fetch (aside from the assets we'd have to surrender to trade for him).

So say it takes JC + Nance + 2nd for Noel, and then 20m to keep him.

Would you take Zub + JC + Nance + 2nd + 20m cap space (say for Holiday) or Noel?


I'd just roll with Zu at the end of the day. He is showing a lot very early in his NBA career at 19. Breaks my heart though, I love Noel.


Understood. I'm a big Noel fan but I also think the 76ers are too. I don't see them letting Noel walk for nothing.

With 30 games or so, I'd really give Zub 22-24mpg min. a night. We need to know what we have with him going into next season. Unfortunately, that probably means Tarik Black has no minutes on the rotation (and I really like the kid).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject:

How about Zubac at center and Noel at PF? I'd be willing to trade Randle but not Nance. I'd also be willing to package JClarkson....that is if Noel is as good of a rim protector and rebounder as everyone says he is.

Heck, I'd throw in Black too....Noel can be the back up C.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:50 am    Post subject:

Lakerpark wrote:
How about Zubac at center and Noel at PF? I'd be willing to trade Randle but not Nance. I'd also be willing to package JClarkson....that is if Noel is as good of a rim protector and rebounder as everyone says he is.

Heck, I'd throw in Black too....Noel can be the back up C.


That experiment, with an even more floor-stretching Embiid, has been a disaster in Philly. They quickly axed the Embiid/Noel pairing.

It would be even worse IMO with Zubac/Noel.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:53 am    Post subject:

I'm choosing Zu because I love how he fits! I actually really like Noel's mobility and hands on defense (good in passing lanes and defending post entry), but Zu will be cheap for a few years. So it's Zu for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject:

I would choose Zu even if he and Noel cost the exact same.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject:

I'm gonna go with Noel. I just love the versatility a Russell, Ingram, Randle, Noel lineup would have.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject:

If it's just those 3 guys in a vacuum, I would rank them as

1. Noel
2. Zubac
3. Okafor

Noel is really the perfect type of C for what the NBA is changing into.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:21 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Lakerpark wrote:
How about Zubac at center and Noel at PF? I'd be willing to trade Randle but not Nance. I'd also be willing to package JClarkson....that is if Noel is as good of a rim protector and rebounder as everyone says he is.

Heck, I'd throw in Black too....Noel can be the back up C.


That experiment, with an even more floor-stretching Embiid, has been a disaster in Philly. They quickly axed the Embiid/Noel pairing.

It would be even worse IMO with Zubac/Noel.


I actually saw some numbers where Embiid/Noel on the floor was actually pretty good in limited minutes.

Edit: https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/824132017113755648

33 net rating in 8 minutes
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
If it's just those 3 guys in a vacuum, I would rank them as

1. Noel
2. Zubac
3. Okafor

Noel is really the perfect type of C for what the NBA is changing into.




It's the unknown of what Zubac could become that has me picking him over a Noel trade package and at least close to max extension.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject:

Zubac is a two way player. Both of the other players are net negatives on one side of the court.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Lakerpark wrote:
How about Zubac at center and Noel at PF? I'd be willing to trade Randle but not Nance. I'd also be willing to package JClarkson....that is if Noel is as good of a rim protector and rebounder as everyone says he is.

Heck, I'd throw in Black too....Noel can be the back up C.


That experiment, with an even more floor-stretching Embiid, has been a disaster in Philly. They quickly axed the Embiid/Noel pairing.

It would be even worse IMO with Zubac/Noel.


I actually saw some numbers where Embiid/Noel on the floor was actually pretty good in limited minutes.

Edit: https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/824132017113755648

33 net rating in 8 minutes


Embiid basically complained that he was relegated to being a spot up corner 3 shooter b/c Noel was occupying his space on offense. 76ers quickly dumped that idea.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject:

kaoss128 wrote:
I'm gonna go with Noel. I just love the versatility a Russell, Ingram, Randle, Noel lineup would have.


Yeah, I think highly of Noel. But he will be costly to attain and keep. If we had a Noel/Zub center rotation for years to come, that would be pretty amazing.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Lakerpark wrote:
How about Zubac at center and Noel at PF? I'd be willing to trade Randle but not Nance. I'd also be willing to package JClarkson....that is if Noel is as good of a rim protector and rebounder as everyone says he is.

Heck, I'd throw in Black too....Noel can be the back up C.


That experiment, with an even more floor-stretching Embiid, has been a disaster in Philly. They quickly axed the Embiid/Noel pairing.

It would be even worse IMO with Zubac/Noel.


I actually saw some numbers where Embiid/Noel on the floor was actually pretty good in limited minutes.

Edit: https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/824132017113755648

33 net rating in 8 minutes


Embiid basically complained that he was relegated to being a spot up corner 3 shooter b/c Noel was occupying his space on offense. 76ers quickly dumped that idea.


Huh? Embiid has campaigned to play with Noel.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject:

Considering Zubac is a Laker, my vote goes to him.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:29 am    Post subject:

kaoss128 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Lakerpark wrote:
How about Zubac at center and Noel at PF? I'd be willing to trade Randle but not Nance. I'd also be willing to package JClarkson....that is if Noel is as good of a rim protector and rebounder as everyone says he is.

Heck, I'd throw in Black too....Noel can be the back up C.


That experiment, with an even more floor-stretching Embiid, has been a disaster in Philly. They quickly axed the Embiid/Noel pairing.

It would be even worse IMO with Zubac/Noel.


I actually saw some numbers where Embiid/Noel on the floor was actually pretty good in limited minutes.

Edit: https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/824132017113755648

33 net rating in 8 minutes


Embiid basically complained that he was relegated to being a spot up corner 3 shooter b/c Noel was occupying his space on offense. 76ers quickly dumped that idea.


Huh? Embiid has campaigned to play with Noel.


I remember the first game that they started together. Embiid's body language was horrible b/c they had him camping out at the 3 point line in the "stretch PF" role.

The 76ers started their winning streak with Embiid/Ilaysova. Gives Embiid the room to operate.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject:

Factoring in cost, I would take Zubac without thinking twice. Two more seasons after this one at less than $3 million combined is kind of a big deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject:

Who voted for Okafor?
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