"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
That's what we were discussing all day...from Mitch's press conference.
We had Upshaw. We both agreed to a 2 year deal.
Something happened after that to screw it all up. If Upshaw wasn't happy with the unguaranteed deal for 2 years then sit down and work it out with him. Let him know we want him and have confidence in him. Mitch insulting him now and belittling his usefulness this next season is only pushing him away for sure. A chance at a lottery player like this doesn't come around for us!
Would any of us want to play for a team that thinks so little of us when we know we have talent?
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
I'm almost sure now that Upshaw is weighing offers from other teams.
And he'd get the same role.
All Upshaw is right now is his potential and his problems he is trying to overcome.
Don't overrate the guy cause he had blocks in summer league and did good for half a college season.
Mitch is approaching this from a realistic standpoint. Upshaw showed very extensively he wasn't ready during Summer League, hasn't played basketball in half a year and needs to get re-acclimated.
You don't hinge your franchise hopes on guys like Upshaw. Right now he'd be a project for us. I know people don't wanna hear it cause they've already made his rating 78 in 2K for his rookie season, but the reality is that Upshaw would be a project and would be brought up through training camp and Summer League. He wouldn't come into his own till about 3-4 years down the road, and IF he can keep his head on straight for that long and remained disciplined then that's very solid and a great benefit. If he doesn't, then he'll remain a wasted potential.
Let the guy actually go through 2 NBA seasons without any problems before you start touting him as the answer to all our problems, and don't hate Mitch for being realistic.
BS....he made a positive impact in Russell's game NOW!! Yes, he will be much better in years from now...but he's a terrific deal for what he gives us NOW!!
When he goes thru 2 seasons without any problems he will be getting a huge salary and he won't ever look at us again for acting like he's trash now.
Every article was saying what a great coo we pulled off getting him!!
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
I'm almost sure now that Upshaw is weighing offers from other teams.
And he'd get the same role.
All Upshaw is right now is his potential and his problems he is trying to overcome.
Don't overrate the guy cause he had blocks in summer league and did good for half a college season.
Mitch is approaching this from a realistic standpoint. Upshaw showed very extensively he wasn't ready during Summer League, hasn't played basketball in half a year and needs to get re-acclimated.
You don't hinge your franchise hopes on guys like Upshaw. Right now he'd be a project for us. I know people don't wanna hear it cause they've already made his rating 78 in 2K for his rookie season, but the reality is that Upshaw would be a project and would be brought up through training camp and Summer League. He wouldn't come into his own till about 3-4 years down the road, and IF he can keep his head on straight for that long and remained disciplined then that's very solid and a great benefit. If he doesn't, then he'll remain a wasted potential.
Let the guy actually go through 2 NBA seasons without any problems before you start touting him as the answer to all our problems, and don't hate Mitch for being realistic.
BS....he made a positive impact in Russell's game NOW!! Yes, he will be much better in years from now...but he's a terrific deal for what he gives us NOW!!
When he goes thru 2 seasons without any problems he will be getting a huge salary and he won't ever look at us again for acting like he's trash now.
Every article was saying what a great coo we pulled off getting him!!
You know he didn't get drafted right? Not even in the 2nd round where contracts are not guaranteed. Every team thought he wasn't going to contribute this year and based on the lack of a contract from any team it still seems that NBA teams don't share your view point on how good he is right now.
There's a collective psychology during the draft; if a player doesn't get drafted for whatever reason within a predetermined slot, you can start a free fall as other GMs figure that you were passed over for a very good reason. In Upshaw's case many GMs were treating him with asbestos gloves due to the fact that he was booted from two college teams. Drafting him would have been embarrassing had he been dropped during SPL, let alone during his rookie contract term.
Seriously, maybe Nance will be a stud, but in my book the guys left on the draft board at #27 and later at #34 were pretty damn uninspiring. We're a team that needs major talent upgrades, as opposed to "safe" end-of-the-bench type reserves. Robert Upshaw made sense given the vacuum we have at center, which makes the early Sacre signing seem so damn silly during the free agent period.
You see in the gifs that Upshaw sets up on his pick illegally. The rule is that a player is only allowed to set his feet shoulder width apart on a screen. Upshaw was way outside that range and would get called for fouls every time in the NBA b/c that would be scouted and the guards would run into him and fall down.
There are some guys who have historically gotten away with that (KG, Porkins to name two). But generally you don't if the defensive player knows how to draw the foul.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
I'm almost sure now that Upshaw is weighing offers from other teams.
And he'd get the same role.
All Upshaw is right now is his potential and his problems he is trying to overcome.
Don't overrate the guy cause he had blocks in summer league and did good for half a college season.
Mitch is approaching this from a realistic standpoint. Upshaw showed very extensively he wasn't ready during Summer League, hasn't played basketball in half a year and needs to get re-acclimated.
You don't hinge your franchise hopes on guys like Upshaw. Right now he'd be a project for us. I know people don't wanna hear it cause they've already made his rating 78 in 2K for his rookie season, but the reality is that Upshaw would be a project and would be brought up through training camp and Summer League. He wouldn't come into his own till about 3-4 years down the road, and IF he can keep his head on straight for that long and remained disciplined then that's very solid and a great benefit. If he doesn't, then he'll remain a wasted potential.
Let the guy actually go through 2 NBA seasons without any problems before you start touting him as the answer to all our problems, and don't hate Mitch for being realistic.
BS....he made a positive impact in Russell's game NOW!! Yes, he will be much better in years from now...but he's a terrific deal for what he gives us NOW!!
When he goes thru 2 seasons without any problems he will be getting a huge salary and he won't ever look at us again for acting like he's trash now.
Every article was saying what a great coo we pulled off getting him!!
You know he didn't get drafted right? Not even in the 2nd round where contracts are not guaranteed. Every team thought he wasn't going to contribute this year and based on the lack of a contract from any team it still seems that NBA teams don't share your view point on how good he is right now.
Not picking him up didn't mean they thought he wasn't going to contribute this year. I'm sure someone will pick him up if we don't.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
I'm almost sure now that Upshaw is weighing offers from other teams.
And he'd get the same role.
All Upshaw is right now is his potential and his problems he is trying to overcome.
Don't overrate the guy cause he had blocks in summer league and did good for half a college season.
Mitch is approaching this from a realistic standpoint. Upshaw showed very extensively he wasn't ready during Summer League, hasn't played basketball in half a year and needs to get re-acclimated.
You don't hinge your franchise hopes on guys like Upshaw. Right now he'd be a project for us. I know people don't wanna hear it cause they've already made his rating 78 in 2K for his rookie season, but the reality is that Upshaw would be a project and would be brought up through training camp and Summer League. He wouldn't come into his own till about 3-4 years down the road, and IF he can keep his head on straight for that long and remained disciplined then that's very solid and a great benefit. If he doesn't, then he'll remain a wasted potential.
Let the guy actually go through 2 NBA seasons without any problems before you start touting him as the answer to all our problems, and don't hate Mitch for being realistic.
BS....he made a positive impact in Russell's game NOW!! Yes, he will be much better in years from now...but he's a terrific deal for what he gives us NOW!!
When he goes thru 2 seasons without any problems he will be getting a huge salary and he won't ever look at us again for acting like he's trash now.
Every article was saying what a great coo we pulled off getting him!!
You know he didn't get drafted right? Not even in the 2nd round where contracts are not guaranteed. Every team thought he wasn't going to contribute this year and based on the lack of a contract from any team it still seems that NBA teams don't share your view point on how good he is right now.
He didn't not get drafted because of his skill and talent level, it was because of his off the court issues. He was one of the better players in the draft, and would have easily gone top 14(likely top 10) if not for those issues. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts!
This is just Mitch trying to be cute like that nance pick. They will commit to Sacre and all his upside and can't commit to some one with actual talent.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
_________________ Kobe "I mean Phil's been here, and -- to be honest with you -- we might have, in all the years I've been with Phil, (had) maybe three defensive drills the entire time"
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
And Sacre is finished product, and a big with skills? I don't mind the reasoning around the playing time but committing to Sacre in free agency and trying to be clever with someone with actual talent is behind backwards, and typical of this FO.
This is just Mitch trying to be cute like that nance pick. They will commit to Sacre and all his upside and can't commit to some one with actual talent.
Yeah this is getting borderline stunted.
Minutes Upshaw will work for, but you don't freaking let him go because he wasn't in the best shape for freaking Summer League. Give him some time for Christ sake. Training camp, preseason, etc.
They can't possibly be this stupid and not see that right? They can't possibly struggle this much in thought for (bleep) Robert (bleep) Sacre right?
Upshaw = potential lottery talent. If he doesn't pan out, no biggie, we lose nothing. But if he does, we get another steal like Clarkson last year.
Sacre = finished product. That product being one of if not THE WORST player in the NBA.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
You just make up stuff? There is video I've seen of him working out this summer before the draft. He said in the interview at the time (May) he'd been working on his conditioning and basketball.
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I really don't see what the holdup is. Backing out of a semi-guaranteed contract the first year and non-guaranteed the second year doesn't seem like something Mitch would do. Maybe it's Upshaw's agent that's demanding guaranteed? Or someone else offered guaranteed money and they're trying to push the Lakers to give him a guaranteed deal?
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
You just make up stuff? There is video I've seen of him working out this summer before the draft. He said in the interview at the time he'd been working on his game for months.
He said he only played basketball 8 times after he was dismissed. Not sure if he meant 5 on 5 or just working on his game.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
You just make up stuff? There is video I've seen of him working out this summer before the draft. He said in the interview at the time he'd been working on his game for months.
He said he only played basketball 8 times after he was dismissed. Not sure if he meant 5 on 5 or just working on his game.
Where and when did he say that? He probably meant 5 on 5 because in the video I mentioned (I added the link) he said he'd been working on his conditioning and then his game and was going to continue doing it (that was in May).
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I really don't see what the holdup is. Backing out of a semi-guaranteed contract the first year and non-guaranteed the second year doesn't seem like something Mitch would do. Maybe it's Upshaw's agent that's demanding guaranteed? Or someone else offered guaranteed money and they're trying to push the Lakers to give him a guaranteed deal?
Or he doesn't like Mitch saying he isn't ready to be on the floor this season!!
My educated guess is the holdup is on Upshaw's side. Maybe he thinks he can cash in sooner, or wants a part of our room exception, etc. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:28 pm Post subject:
kobe_luver wrote:
The Logo wrote:
I really don't see what the holdup is. Backing out of a semi-guaranteed contract the first year and non-guaranteed the second year doesn't seem like something Mitch would do. Maybe it's Upshaw's agent that's demanding guaranteed? Or someone else offered guaranteed money and they're trying to push the Lakers to give him a guaranteed deal?
Or he doesn't like Mitch saying he isn't ready to be on the floor this season!!
Mitch is extremely manipulative with the media. Practically everything the man says is smokescreen. You can pretty much take what he has to say about speculation with a grain of salt.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
You just make up stuff? There is video I've seen of him working out this summer before the draft. He said in the interview at the time he'd been working on his game for months.
He said he only played basketball 8 times after he was dismissed. Not sure if he meant 5 on 5 or just working on his game.
Where and when did he say that? He probably meant 5 on 5 because in the video I mentioned (I added the link) he said he'd been working on his conditioning and then his game and was going to continue doing it (that was in May).
I really don't see what the holdup is. Backing out of a semi-guaranteed contract the first year and non-guaranteed the second year doesn't seem like something Mitch would do. Maybe it's Upshaw's agent that's demanding guaranteed? Or someone else offered guaranteed money and they're trying to push the Lakers to give him a guaranteed deal?
Its unlikely the latter, LA hardly played him, he was heavily flagged and undrafted. If anyone gave him even a partial guarantee he'd take it, if LA offered the same then the balls in his court. The more time that goes by the less likely he has interest.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
You just make up stuff? There is video I've seen of him working out this summer before the draft. He said in the interview at the time he'd been working on his game for months.
He said he only played basketball 8 times after he was dismissed. Not sure if he meant 5 on 5 or just working on his game.
Where and when did he say that? He probably meant 5 on 5 because in the video I mentioned (I added the link) he said he'd been working on his conditioning and then his game and was going to continue doing it (that was in May).
Summer league 4:45 mark
Probably meant full 5 on 5 basketball as he was clearly working on his body, conditioning and basketball this summer (after taking 3 months off to work on his head stuff).
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject:
fansincemagic wrote:
The Logo wrote:
I really don't see what the holdup is. Backing out of a semi-guaranteed contract the first year and non-guaranteed the second year doesn't seem like something Mitch would do. Maybe it's Upshaw's agent that's demanding guaranteed? Or someone else offered guaranteed money and they're trying to push the Lakers to give him a guaranteed deal?
Its unlikely the latter, LA hardly played him, he was heavily flagged and undrafted. If anyone gave him even a partial guarantee he'd take it, if LA offered the same then the balls in his court. The more time that goes by the less likely he has interest.
True I doubt that anyone actually offered him guaranteed money. Maybe he's trying to bluff his way into a contract? Worst case scenario is that he changes his mind like Jefferson did and we don't get him, which would suck.
I feel like Mitch told him make it through the summer to camp without incident. Come in and be in shape. Show us you can do these things and we'll take the next step of a contract together. You can't give everything to Upshaw right away. Making him earn it will help him learn consistency and grow as a person.
"It's unlikely that Robert will contribute to the team next year to win games. I think you know Robert and how he's bounced around at the college level. He's a player that we looked at in Summer League, and we're continuing to have conversations with his representative. If we did something with Robert, it would be based on potential going forward.. ... We've made commitments to some rookies because they got drafted very high. But to look at a guy that wasn't drafted and say, "This is a guy that's gonna be in the rotation." That's not realistic at all."
And Sacre is finished product, and a big with skills? I don't mind the reasoning around the playing time but committing to Sacre in free agency and trying to be clever with someone with actual talent is behind backwards, and typical of this FO.
id cut him in a second. but its not my money. and guys that are undrafted 2nd rounders typically dont get signed immediately. they get like a partial guaranteed invite to training camp. mitch is speaking like a guy who sees him coming here to atleast training camp. so i wouldnt worry. i think the hold up is the lack of room. team has like 20 pf, have to make room with a trade. _________________ Kobe "I mean Phil's been here, and -- to be honest with you -- we might have, in all the years I've been with Phil, (had) maybe three defensive drills the entire time"
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