BTW, the Indiana game is my favorite. They get down early, and then he takes over with scoring, passing, & ball denial.
Loved that game for him. Showcased his repertoire. Liked the part when announcers told the story of Russell watching game tapes and pulling teammates to show specific things to work on. As a freshmen? That's Kobesque nerdage. Love it. _________________ Alltime lineup: Magic | Kobe | MJ | Hakeem | KAJ
Man, great thread. I've seen all of his games at least twice but I have a couple weeks before I fly out tov gas for aummer league so this will keep me busy until then. Thank you!
Great post. I dont like those numbers against the better teams...will take a look
That was my concern going into the draft. Russell was 1-8 against the better teams and shot 48-147 for a percentage of .327. To his defense however, his coach said that teams focused their defense on him and with not much help around him he was somewhat screwed.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject:
67ShelbyGT wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
BTW, the Indiana game is my favorite. They get down early, and then he takes over with scoring, passing, & ball denial.
Loved that game for him. Showcased his repertoire. Liked the part when announcers told the story of Russell watching game tapes and pulling teammates to show specific things to work on. As a freshmen? That's Kobesque nerdage. Love it.
Thank, DB, for providing all these games!
I'm watching the Indiana game right now.
I didn't realize he had a little post game, too. He showed a really nice TAJ to the baseline. Seems like he really knows how to utilize his size/length.
And his D is underrated, imo. He's a smart defender. He has really good, quick hands and anticipates well.
He also has a great knack for being in the right spots for rebounds.
He's really smart. He's special.
Also - one of the announcers (Clark Kellog?) said his nickname is "Doc."
I can dig that. _________________ Everything. Changes.
^ The concern about his D should just be related to his man D. I think he'll be a very good team defender because of his hoop IQ and how he reads things. And, yes, team D also includes rebounding, which he excels at. I love rebounding guards, makes a big difference.
What you hope is that he puts the work in on the man D and effort there because every night is another tough guard to deal with. He's got length and wingspan which can sometimes make up for speed if used right. So plenty of potential here to be very effective, all things considered.
- Regarding his post game, he's got the turnaround, but also good at getting to the middle of the paint around who he's posting up. I don't recall if any of the games here show that.
Not to sound like an apologist, but I'm curious to see how he defends when he has less of an offensive burden. Russell Westbrook, for example was the DPOY in the Pac-10, but didn't play especially good defense this year.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:08 pm Post subject:
DancingBarry wrote:
^ The concern about his D should just be related to his man D. I think he'll be a very good team defender because of his hoop IQ and how he reads things. And, yes, team D also includes rebounding, which he excels at. I love rebounding guards, makes a big difference.
What you hope is that he puts the work in on the man D and effort there because every night is another tough guard to deal with. He's got length and wingspan which can sometimes make up for speed if used right. So plenty of potential here to be very effective, all things considered.
- Regarding his post game, he's got the turnaround, but also good at getting to the middle of the paint around who he's posting up. I don't recall if any of the games here show that.
Yup. With his length and smarts (and if he's that smart, I presume he also has an amazing work ethic), I can't see why, in time, that there's anything stopping him from becoming a top-notch man defender. Expectation from the coaching staff + real game experience + some more muscle is really all he needs, imo. Doe is just so smart.
Man, any player that smart... who see situations and passes that well... who shoots and handles that well... with excellent size for his position and the post game??... jeez, we got ourselves a good one!
Can't wait to see Doc and the Freight Train runnin' ish! _________________ Everything. Changes.
Man, some of you talked about the Arizona game as if he got straight up manhandled and punked. That wasn't the case at all. He missed some easy looks early and never really found a rhythm. He was never passive or Tony Allen'd like some were implying. It was just one of those nights where he couldn't throw a rock into the ocean. _________________ A key that has the ability to unlock many locks is a master key. But a lock that can be opened with any key is useless.
Man, some of you talked about the Arizona game as if he got straight up manhandled and punked. That wasn't the case at all. He missed some easy looks early and never really found a rhythm. He was never passive or Tony Allen'd like some were implying. It was just one of those nights where he couldn't throw a rock into the ocean.
Yep. People see 3-19 and jump to conclusions. I think Kobe once said something to the effect of "it takes a lot of talent to even be able to get 20 shots up in a game", which is hard to understand unless you play the game fairly regularly against good competition. But I think that statement definitely applies to that Arizona game. It wasn't like he got completely shut down by the likes of RHJ and Johnson, he was getting decent shots up against them.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:21 am Post subject:
DancingBarry wrote:
- Regarding his post game, he's got the turnaround, but also good at getting to the middle of the paint around who he's posting up. I don't recall if any of the games here show that.
Man, some of you talked about the Arizona game as if he got straight up manhandled and punked. That wasn't the case at all. He missed some easy looks early and never really found a rhythm. He was never passive or Tony Allen'd like some were implying. It was just one of those nights where he couldn't throw a rock into the ocean.
Yep. People see 3-19 and jump to conclusions. I think Kobe once said something to the effect of "it takes a lot of talent to even be able to get 20 shots up in a game", which is hard to understand unless you play the game fairly regularly against good competition. But I think that statement definitely applies to that Arizona game. It wasn't like he got completely shut down by the likes of RHJ and Johnson, he was getting decent shots up against them.
I'll be honest with you. If I hadn't had prior knowledge of him going 3-19, I would have thought he was the best player on the floor in that game. Or at least the most outstanding. Then again, McConnell was all over the place though. Can't believe he went undrafted. Him being 6'0 with only a 6'0 wingspan may be why though lol! _________________ A key that has the ability to unlock many locks is a master key. But a lock that can be opened with any key is useless.
What stood out most was his defense. It's one of the weaknesses in the scouting report even though he has the physical tools, but in this game he did pretty well I thought
Offensively, one of the major weaknesses that has been discussed a lot is that he doesn't cut to the basket so much. Well he did it a bunch in this game so it's not like he can't do it. So some potential there.
The only gripe I could find was that he seems to carry the ball a LOT. But Curry does that a lot as well and never ever gets called for it so it's not that big of a concern to me. _________________ Kobe
People shouldn't make final judgments based on that last 3-19 game. How well did Wiggins play in his final college game? Yet he ended up ROY and will only get better. _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
Not to sound like an apologist, but I'm curious to see how he defends when he has less of an offensive burden. Russell Westbrook, for example was the DPOY in the Pac-10, but didn't play especially good defense this year.
When your offensive usage rate is so high, you just don't have the energy to play defense at the highest level.
I don't think I've ever seen that bad of an offense. That sacred heart team is awfull. Especially since they have a 35 seconds clock. 3 useless passes on the perimeter and they jack up an horrible three.
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:33 am Post subject:
AY2043 wrote:
dmills wrote:
Man, some of you talked about the Arizona game as if he got straight up manhandled and punked. That wasn't the case at all. He missed some easy looks early and never really found a rhythm. He was never passive or Tony Allen'd like some were implying. It was just one of those nights where he couldn't throw a rock into the ocean.
Yep. People see 3-19 and jump to conclusions. I think Kobe once said something to the effect of "it takes a lot of talent to even be able to get 20 shots up in a game", which is hard to understand unless you play the game fairly regularly against good competition. But I think that statement definitely applies to that Arizona game. It wasn't like he got completely shut down by the likes of RHJ and Johnson, he was getting decent shots up against them.
either way he still got completely locked up, a pathetic performance for a guy that went number two no matter which way you slice it.
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