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chekmatex4
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 Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:00 pm Post subject: Kobe and Stretch Provision - CBA Question |
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Lakers are supposedly trying to make room to acquire both LaMarcus Aldridge and DeAndre Jordan this off-season and someone mentioned the Lakers might use the stretch provision on Kobe. I believe this means Kobe's current $25 million contract will impact the salary cap evenly over the next 3 years ($8.3 million per year). Could someone confirm if this is correct?
Also, if Kobe is stretched, is it possible for the Lakers to reacquire him after he goes through waivers? I can't see the Lakers using the stretch provision on Kobe unless they can resign him for less.
Not trying to start a war whether Lakers should use the stretch provision on Kobe or not. I just want to understand how the stretch provision works better. Thank you. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you're confusing stretch with amnesty. |
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misterrunon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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We can't amnesty him, and you can't re-sign the player you stretch. Besides that, it really hurts our FA chances next year, since we'd pay Kobe the remainder of Kobe's contract over 5 years (I thnk).
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chekmatex4
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| misterrunon wrote: | | We can't amnesty him, and you can't re-sign the player you stretch. Besides that, it really hurts our FA chances next year, since we'd pay Kobe $12.x million this year, and then 12.x million next year. We'd be limited with who we can sign next year. |
I thought it was stretched over 3 years. With the salary cap increasing maybe it would be possible. Either way, you said they can't resign him so its a moot point. Thank you. |
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| Quote: | | It can only be used on new contracts but here is how it works: If you want to get rid of a player you can buy him out then stretch out his contract on your books for double the length of the deal plus one year. For example, if a player is owed $20 million over two seasons and he gets waived, the team can stretch him out so his deal so on the official salary cap ledger he only costs them $4 million a season for five seasons. |
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/28/nba-stretch-provision-may-mean-more-bad-contracts/ |
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misterrunon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| chekmatex4 wrote: | | misterrunon wrote: | | We can't amnesty him, and you can't re-sign the player you stretch. Besides that, it really hurts our FA chances next year, since we'd pay Kobe $12.x million this year, and then 12.x million next year. We'd be limited with who we can sign next year. |
I thought it was stretched over 3 years. With the salary cap increasing maybe it would be possible. Either way, you said they can't resign him so its a moot point. Thank you. |
Actually this is what Larry Coon's website says Guaranteed salary payments for waived players are "stretched" across twice the number of years remaining on the contract, plus one.
and also
If the player's salary payments are spread-out using the Stretch provision, the team may elect to stretch the salary cap charge to match2. For example, if two seasons remain on the player's contract when he is waived, and the payment is spread-out over five years per the Stretch provision, then the team may elect to spread-out the salary cap hit over those same five years.
In all other cases (i.e., when the contract or extension was not signed under the current CBA, or when the team elects not to spread-out the cap hit per the Stretch provision), the player's remaining guaranteed salary is included in team salary in the remaining years of the contract, ignoring any revisions to the payment schedule. For example, if a player who signed under the previous CBA is waived with two seasons remaining on his contract and the team & player negotiate a lump-sum payout of the remaining guaranteed salary, the player's salary continues to be included in team salary over the next two seasons. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| stretching kobe is super short sighted. We'd be out of the KD race entirely next year. |
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No need to stretch Kobe. If Aldridge and Deandre is the goal than Julius Randle becomes expendable.
I would love to see him develop here, but not as much as I would love watching a front court of Aldridge and Deandre.
Julius may be enough to entice Portland into assisting us with a sign and trade for Aldridge. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Larry Coon used to post here. He may actually be able to answer all this, but it sounds like to do this we'd have to cut Kobe. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jefplusf wrote: | | stretching kobe is super short sighted. We'd be out of the KD race entirely next year. |
Who the (bleep) cares about KD, you just don't stretch someone like Kobe.
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We din't even stretch doe!!
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | jefplusf wrote: | | stretching kobe is super short sighted. We'd be out of the KD race entirely next year. |
Who the (bleep) cares about KD, you just don't stretch someone like Kobe. |
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if someone could stretch Kobe to 7'2", heck, we'd have a bada$$ center!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Dude better be stretching, he needs to stay healthy |
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | jefplusf wrote: | | stretching kobe is super short sighted. We'd be out of the KD race entirely next year. |
Who the (bleep) cares about KD, you just don't stretch someone like Kobe. |
no one man is bigger than the franchise. I'd stretch kobe in a heartbeat if it meant a legit shot at contending for a title. |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | We din't even stretch doe!! |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| He ain't even stretch provision doe |
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| jefplusf wrote: | | USCandLakers wrote: | | jefplusf wrote: | | stretching kobe is super short sighted. We'd be out of the KD race entirely next year. |
Who the (bleep) cares about KD, you just don't stretch someone like Kobe. |
no one man is bigger than the franchise. I'd stretch kobe in a heartbeat if it meant a legit shot at contending for a title. |
name on front, not name on back.
I was watching Lakers long before Kobe, will watch them long after. |
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Silly question but CBA related and this new Aldridge Jordan report.
Is it possible the Lakers offer max contracts to both guys and sturcture their contracts in a way that the first year their contracts are 10 mil each then after that 70 mil each split up over 3 years?
If I recall Jeremy Lin's contracted in a way to where he got paid more on the back end then front end. The Lakers have the cap space next year to pay that salary just wondering if that is a possibility? |
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| Max and Marcellus were bringing this up today without realizing that stretching Kobe's contract means kicking him out of town. If his huge contract was a way of celebrating him and thanking him for his services, stretching him at the end of it would be a ridiculous move. |
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| lakerfnnnorcal wrote: | Silly question but CBA related and this new Aldridge Jordan report.
Is it possible the Lakers offer max contracts to both guys and sturcture their contracts in a way that the first year their contracts are 10 mil each then after that 70 mil each split up over 3 years?
If I recall Jeremy Lin's contracted in a way to where he got paid more on the back end then front end. The Lakers have the cap space next year to pay that salary just wondering if that is a possibility? |
No, max raises or cuts are 4.5% per year. They could sign a two-year contract with opt outs after one year and get the max when the cap goes up. But they would be FAs and could go anywhere. It would make more sense to forget DJ and try to convince Robin Lopez to go that route. With our cap space all we could offer the two players would be $11 mil for next season.
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If the only way to get LA and DJ is to stretch Kobe, I'm for it. But if there is another way, we need to look at those options.
But I really don't think the Lakers should or will stretch him unless absolutely necessary.
Wasn't ever a fan of the $25M/yr extension, but this isn't the year I thought it would bite us in the butt. |
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| lakerfnnnorcal wrote: | Silly question but CBA related and this new Aldridge Jordan report.
Is it possible the Lakers offer max contracts to both guys and sturcture their contracts in a way that the first year their contracts are 10 mil each then after that 70 mil each split up over 3 years?
If I recall Jeremy Lin's contracted in a way to where he got paid more on the back end then front end. The Lakers have the cap space next year to pay that salary just wondering if that is a possibility? |
The Jeremy Lin contract was a loophole that only applies to first year restricted free agents. For all other players, you have to use salaries that slowly increase or slowly decrease.
A max contract is one in which you receive the max dollars allowable in each year. The only way to pay a guy less in the first year is to offer something that is not a max contract. |
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| rock0100 wrote: | No need to stretch Kobe. If Aldridge and Deandre is the goal than Julius Randle becomes expendable.
I would love to see him develop here, but not as much as I would love watching a front court of Aldridge and Deandre.
Julius may be enough to entice Portland into assisting us with a sign and trade for Aldridge. |
randle woudl not become expendable. you guys are not thinking about this the right way.
lets go down memory lane.
how many stars to borderline stars did we have during out last 2 peat? 3.
thats right 3 guys.
Kobe
Gasol
LO
in that order.
Lo could've easily started. but he was best coming off the bench as a great 6th man, who could do it all. defend, score, and set guys up.but he could also close games with the starters.
Randle can play PF/SF
with LA and DJ on the same team.
You bring young randle off the bench and make him earn his spot(kobe didnt start over eddie jones either. yet kobe was not expendable like some thought.) eddie became the expendable one.
LA is not a young guy any more. that means he's going to be old in a few years. old in big man terms. so its great that you have another young baller right behind him ready to take his spot. and put LA on the bench if he wants to continue to play into his twilight years.
When its time to close games out. you can have randle at SF. but the truth is, DJ's freethrows are terrible. which means in the crunch. who's going to be on the floor?
C-LA
Pf- Randle
SF- kobe
SG- ??? maybe clarkson
pg- russell
This is why randle will never be expendable. unless you pick up blake griffin. which is a young pf that can never lay center. |
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