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Shaber
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| 24 wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | you guys think it's a good idea to start Russell and Randle? |
too early to say. |
Exactly. Let's see them play first.
I see Bass starting, actually. At least in the first half of the season.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | PG: D'Angelo Russell/TBD/Jordan Clarkson
SG: Jordan Clarkson/Nick Young/Kobe Bryant
SF: Kobe Bryant/Anthony Brown/Larry Nance Jr.
PF: Julius Randle/Larry Nance Jr/Tarik Black
C: Roy Hibbert/Tarik Black/Robert Upshaw
Hopefully we sign Cory Joseph to play backup PG and we are good to go. |
That's cold blooded.
Lou Williams didn't make your roster Mega?
Are you not a fan?
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yuurin98
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| Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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PG Russell/Williams
SG Clarkson/Young/J.Brown
SF Bryant/A.Brown/Nance
PF Bass/Randle/Kelly
C Hibbert/Black/Sacre |
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| Megaton wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I think Clarkson will be coming off the bench unfortunately. |
Byron already mentioned he is starting them together so that point is mute. Plus he's more proven. He literally just won all 1st rookie team last season.
If anything, it's more likely Russell comes off the bench than Clarkson. But I believe it's more likely that they just both start together. |
I wouldn't put too much stock in Byron's pre-season pronouncements. Last season he'd announced he's be tightly managing Kobe's minutes but frankly, that plan was never executed: Kobe averaged over 34 mpg. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| 70sdude wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I think Clarkson will be coming off the bench unfortunately. |
Byron already mentioned he is starting them together so that point is mute. Plus he's more proven. He literally just won all 1st rookie team last season.
If anything, it's more likely Russell comes off the bench than Clarkson. But I believe it's more likely that they just both start together. |
I wouldn't put too much stock in Byron's pre-season pronouncements. Last season he'd announced he's be tightly managing Kobe's minutes but frankly, that plan was never executed: Kobe averaged over 34 mpg. |
Have to love the internet age. Quotes from months ago will come back to haunt players/coaches/owners. I tend to look at them as a "in the moment" comment and do not consider them as definitive. Situations change. Opinions and plans can too.
Overall I like the collected players going into training camp. There are some interesting young players trying to make the team. Much needs to be determined on the court.
A couple of thoughts.
- Still do not see the need to rush Russell into the starting lineup. He is a 19 year old rookie. Coming off the bench may be the best plan for him for awhile. - Same can be said for Randle. Although he may earn the starting spot over Bass. I just will not be heartbroken if he doesn't. Let both earn the mpg.
- The signing of Huertas makes me think that the Kobe at SF plan is becoming reality. Still hate the idea.
Until they work out the depth chart in training camp my preferred depth chart remains close to the same. Competition will dictate cuts or trades
PG- Clarkson/ Russell/Huertas
SG- Kobe/Williams/ J. Brown/ Frazier
SF- A. Brown or Holmes/ Young
PF- Randle/Bass/Nance/Kelly
C- Hibbert/Black/Sacre/Upshaw |
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Shaber
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: |
PG- Clarkson/ Russell/Huertas
SG- Kobe/Williams/ J. Brown/ Frazier
SF- A. Brown or Holmes/ Young
PF- Randle/Bass/Nance/Kelly
C- Hibbert/Black/Sacre/Upshaw |
Almost my thoughts. But I don't think Frazier and Upshaw make the team.
PG- Russell/ Huertas/ Clarkson
SG- Clarkson/ Williams/ Kobe/ J. Brown
SF- Kobe/ A. Brown or Holmes/ Young
PF- Bass/ Randle/ Nance/ Kelly
C- Hibbert/ Black/ Sacre
Can't wait till the preseason games to see some of the hopes being crashed or new ones flare up.
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| s_habe wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: |
PG- Clarkson/ Russell/Huertas
SG- Kobe/Williams/ J. Brown/ Frazier
SF- A. Brown or Holmes/ Young
PF- Randle/Bass/Nance/Kelly
C- Hibbert/Black/Sacre/Upshaw |
Almost my thoughts. But I don't think Frazier and Upshaw make the team.
PG- Russell/ Huertas/ Clarkson
SG- Clarkson/ Williams/ Kobe/ J. Brown
SF- Kobe/ A. Brown or Holmes/ Young
PF- Bass/ Randle/ Nance/ Kelly
C- Hibbert/ Black/ Sacre
Can't wait till the preseason games to see some of the hopes being crashed or new ones flare up. |
Both Frazier/Upshaw are longshots but have some potential. Think both have the abilities to push J. Brown and Sacre for roster spots. Only court time will tell. Put Holmes in the same category of "on the bubble" with Kelly. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I think Clarkson will be coming off the bench unfortunately. |
Byron already mentioned he is starting them together so that point is mute. Plus he's more proven. He literally just won all 1st rookie team last season.
If anything, it's more likely Russell comes off the bench than Clarkson. But I believe it's more likely that they just both start together. |
I really don't get Byron. If you start Russell and Clarkson together you're going to need a dead-eye (I'll even take average) outside shooter at the 3. Instead he'll have Kobe there combined with a 4 who can't stretch the floor. It's almost like he's trying to make sure the chemistry stinks. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I think Clarkson will be coming off the bench unfortunately. |
Byron already mentioned he is starting them together so that point is mute. Plus he's more proven. He literally just won all 1st rookie team last season.
If anything, it's more likely Russell comes off the bench than Clarkson. But I believe it's more likely that they just both start together. |
I really don't get Byron. If you start Russell and Clarkson together you're going to need a dead-eye (I'll even take average) outside shooter at the 3. Instead he'll have Kobe there combined with a 4 who can't stretch the floor. It's almost like he's trying to make sure the chemistry stinks. |
Kobe is still an above average outside shooter and his back up will likely be swaggy P who is only in the NBA because of his shooting ability. Shooting will not be the problem at the 3 this year, it will be defense. Hopefully a brown or nance can help in that area. |
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yuurin98
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| I think the main problem will be pace though. Almost half of the roster are fresh faces. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:57 am Post subject: |
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I think it's too early to accurately guess much about the rotation past the first seven faces.
Clarkson and Russell will be combined initially to test for chemistry together, at both ends of the court. Barring utter failure by that pairing, I think Kobe will be the starting SF whenever he's healthy, and that Lou Williams will be the first guy off the bench for either Russell or JC. Starting center is obviously Hibbert. I'd have to think that Randle and Bass will share most of the minutes at PF, and that who plays best with whom - and why - will dictate their leader/follower roles. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Wilkes52 wrote: | I think it's too early to accurately guess much about the rotation past the first seven faces.
Clarkson and Russell will be combined initially to test for chemistry together, at both ends of the court. Barring utter failure by that pairing, I think Kobe will be the starting SF whenever he's healthy, and that Lou Williams will be the first guy off the bench for either Russell or JC. Starting center is obviously Hibbert. I'd have to think that Randle and Bass will share most of the minutes at PF, and that who plays best with whom - and why - will dictate their leader/follower roles. |
Who's the floor spacer in that lineup? The new analytics push, assuming it's not just PR, would suggest it might be a new consideration. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but... Ryan Kelly? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Trade: Sacre and Kelly for future 2 rounders
Russell/Huertas/Clarkson
Clarkson/Williams/J.Brown
Kobe/Young/A.Brown
Randle/Bass/Nance/Holmes
Hibbert/Black/Upshaw
15 deep
10-11 man rotation with the rookies (except Russell and Huertas) not seeing too much time.
The Browns see more time when Kobe doesn't play. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Wilkes52 wrote: | I think it's too early to accurately guess much about the rotation past the first seven faces.
Clarkson and Russell will be combined initially to test for chemistry together, at both ends of the court. Barring utter failure by that pairing, I think Kobe will be the starting SF whenever he's healthy, and that Lou Williams will be the first guy off the bench for either Russell or JC. Starting center is obviously Hibbert. I'd have to think that Randle and Bass will share most of the minutes at PF, and that who plays best with whom - and why - will dictate their leader/follower roles. |
Who's the floor spacer in that lineup? The new analytics push, assuming it's not just PR, would suggest it might be a new consideration. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but... Ryan Kelly? |
Ummm, I didn't say it's the Lakers' best possible lineup, I think it's the starting lineup and first subs. It's not a great team. Kobe Bryant is rather well known to like the three, and off the bench - Lou will shoot from anywhere. In terms of having someone on the team who fits the mold of a bail-out static floor-spacer, there's no one, not until someone reinvents themselves quickly. It's not a roster - or a team - with a lot of sharpshooting perimeter threats on day one. It's not a strong team, period. |
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Hibbert/Black/Sacre
Randle/Bass/Kelly
Young/A.Brown/NanceJr
Bryant/Williams/J.Brown
Clarkson/Russell/Huertas |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Looking at all these potential lineups I actually think we are going to miss Wayne Ellington. I'm not sure who get minutes on this roster and shoots 37% on his 3's. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Looking at all these potential lineups I actually think we are going to miss Wayne Ellington. I'm not sure who get minutes on this roster and shoots 37% on his 3's. |
Young and Russell should both hit 37%. Maybe more. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Looking at all these potential lineups I actually think we are going to miss Wayne Ellington. I'm not sure who get minutes on this roster and shoots 37% on his 3's. |
Young and Russell should both hit 37%. Maybe more. |
Marcelo will tooo... |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Sting wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Looking at all these potential lineups I actually think we are going to miss Wayne Ellington. I'm not sure who get minutes on this roster and shoots 37% on his 3's. |
Young and Russell should both hit 37%. Maybe more. |
Marcelo will tooo... |
With Sweet Lou, Jabari and Marcelinho in the mix I seriously doubt that Wellington will be missed at all. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Looking at all these potential lineups I actually think we are going to miss Wayne Ellington. I'm not sure who get minutes on this roster and shoots 37% on his 3's. |
Young and Russell should both hit 37%. Maybe more. |
I'd be thrilled and surprised if Russell did that. Young could, but only if he's out of the doghouse does it really matter. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I'm hoping this
Russell - Huertas
Clarkson - Williams - Frazier
Kobe - Young - Brown
Bass - Randle - Nance - Holmes
Hibbert - Black - Upshaw |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:06 am Post subject: |
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If Hope Young is traded by the deadline for an expiring contact giving us more money this offseason an land possible 2 max including Horford and Durant. Bring Kobe back on a cheap 1 yr.
I wonder if this is possible ?
Russell - Clarkson - Huertas
Kobe - Lou - Frazier
Durant - Brown -Nance
Horford - Randle - Holmes
Hibbert - Upshaw
My dream team. Isn't the cap at like 80m or something next season ? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Looking at all these potential lineups I actually think we are going to miss Wayne Ellington. I'm not sure who get minutes on this roster and shoots 37% on his 3's. |
Young and Russell should both hit 37%. Maybe more. |
I have hope that Clarkson can hover around 35-37% too. His form looked good in Summer League and I would expect him to have some clean spot up shots in regular season. |
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| a2j1m wrote: | If Hope Young is traded by the deadline for an expiring contact giving us more money this offseason an land possible 2 max including Horford and Durant. Bring Kobe back on a cheap 1 yr.
I wonder if this is possible ?
Russell - Clarkson - Huertas
Kobe - Lou - Frazier
Durant - Brown -Nance
Horford - Randle - Holmes
Hibbert - Upshaw
My dream team. Isn't the cap at like 80m or something next season ? |
Sorry to burst the bubble but Durant/Horford will take up 50m of the 60m in cap space we have. Then you'd have to re-sign Clarkson, Hibbert, Kobe all with 10m total. Not happening.
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