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laker4life Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:51 am Post subject: Report: Jordan may back out of his deal with Dallas (ESPN) (update: Jordan signed with Clippers) |
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Wow. Jordan may changed his mind.
"Sources told ESPN's Chris Broussard that Jordan has told people close to him since picking Dallas that he's still "torn" and "unsure" about his choice."
This should be interesting.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13221695/los-angeles-clippers-lobbying-deandre-jordan-back-deal-dallas-mavericks
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Good heavens. |
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chubby_1_kenobi Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:57 am Post subject: |
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He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. _________________ Eighth grade key phrases are crucial tools for this type of subterfuge: "team player", "make teammates better", "ballhog", "selfish", "court vision": all dripping with sanctimony and defamation. |
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Palin Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:02 am Post subject: |
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man hope this doesnt change hibbert trade. |
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AllorNothing Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:13 am Post subject: |
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chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
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Lakerfan 4 Life Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:20 am Post subject: |
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DeAndre could bust a Carlos Boozer here. Verbally agreed to re-signing with the Cavs but at the last minute, he signed with the Jazz. |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Good heavens. |
Indeed. If he wanted to come to the Lakers, I would drop Hibbert in a second. |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:30 am Post subject: |
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chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
I think there is a fair argument that certain legal principles - namely, estoppel and its analogues - should protect teams, but there are countervailing legal, economic, and business principles that favor not codifying a prohibition against this. |
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LakerFanAlways Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:34 am Post subject: |
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So all it took was JJ Reddick going on the radio and crying like a little b*tch to get DJ to change his mind |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Lakerfan 4 Life wrote: | DeAndre could bust a Carlos Boozer here. Verbally agreed to re-signing with the Cavs but at the last minute, he signed with the Jazz. |
Ahh..Thanks. I couldn't recall if something like this was ever done.
I just hope are able to close all our deals before there's any fallout. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:00 am Post subject: |
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chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
Practically speaking, if Jordan walks away it's unlikely Dallas would sue him or the commissioner would step in. Theoretically it could happen, but more likely everyone would probably take the position that until the contract is signed nothing is in cement. |
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frijolero01 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:02 am Post subject: |
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AllorNothing wrote: | chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
just because he hasn't signed any document doesn't mean that a verbal agreement isn't binding. This is a total childish and (bleep) move by DJ. |
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frijolero01 Franchise Player
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Cutheon wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Good heavens. |
Indeed. If he wanted to come to the Lakers, I would drop Hibbert in a second. |
the hypocrite in me agrees. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:05 am Post subject: |
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I'm not surprised, I was when he verbally agreed to play elsewhere. This is a team on the verge. DeAndre knows that.
Ballmer and Doc must have told CP3 to back off. They know they need DeAndre to be a contender and so does CP3.
I've read Blake has learned to "put up" with CP3. He's probably talking to Jordan, giving him advice on "how to."
I think Jordan will stay in Los Angeles giving the city at least a glimmer of hope for a parade on Figueroa. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:06 am Post subject: |
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frijolero01 wrote: | Cutheon wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Good heavens. |
Indeed. If he wanted to come to the Lakers, I would drop Hibbert in a second. |
the hypocrite in me agrees. |
Ahh, sports. |
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Palin Star Player
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Dladi Vidac Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:09 am Post subject: |
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He's going back to the clippers. _________________ "The best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.", said Bret Hart regarding the Los Angeles Lakers. |
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etmo Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:14 am Post subject: |
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frijolero01 wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
just because he hasn't signed any document doesn't mean that a verbal agreement isn't binding. This is a total childish and (bleep) move by DJ. |
Totally agree with the first part, but the second part is crazy. What did DJ do wrong?
First, either the verbal agreements are binding or they are not. Texas and California state law may apply, depending on many factors. NBA rules will have a say in this.
If the agreements are binding, then why is this called a moratorium period?
If the agreements are not binding, why allow them?
One thing for sure: You can bet there are two tech-billionaire owners who are going to fight tooth-and-nail over this one. Both with open wallets, and huge egos. I'll bet the NBA legal staff is getting screamed at by both sides right now |
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frijolero01 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:25 am Post subject: |
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etmo wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
just because he hasn't signed any document doesn't mean that a verbal agreement isn't binding. This is a total childish and (bleep) move by DJ. |
Totally agree with the first part, but the second part is crazy. What did DJ do wrong?
First, either the verbal agreements are binding or they are not. Texas and California state law may apply, depending on many factors. NBA rules will have a say in this.
If the agreements are binding, then why is this called a moratorium period?
If the agreements are not binding, why allow them?
One thing for sure: You can bet there are two tech-billionaire owners who are going to fight tooth-and-nail over this one. Both with open wallets, and huge egos. I'll bet the NBA legal staff is getting screamed at by both sides right now |
It's very unethical and looks very bad despite being legally allowed to change his mind. As a man, when you give your word on something, you don't go back. Still a (bleep) move. |
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etmo Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:29 am Post subject: |
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frijolero01 wrote: | etmo wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
just because he hasn't signed any document doesn't mean that a verbal agreement isn't binding. This is a total childish and (bleep) move by DJ. |
Totally agree with the first part, but the second part is crazy. What did DJ do wrong?
First, either the verbal agreements are binding or they are not. Texas and California state law may apply, depending on many factors. NBA rules will have a say in this.
If the agreements are binding, then why is this called a moratorium period?
If the agreements are not binding, why allow them?
One thing for sure: You can bet there are two tech-billionaire owners who are going to fight tooth-and-nail over this one. Both with open wallets, and huge egos. I'll bet the NBA legal staff is getting screamed at by both sides right now |
It's very unethical and looks very bad despite being legally allowed to change his mind. As a man, when you give your word on something, you don't go back. Still a (bleep) move. |
What makes you think he went back on his word? |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:30 am Post subject: |
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etmo wrote: | If the agreements are binding, then why is this called a moratorium period? |
During the moratorium, the NBA and players association are auditing the books to determine the exact salary cap figures for the upcoming season. Until you have those numbers, you can't know the max salaries or how much cap space each team has.
They've done it this way for more than a decade. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:35 am Post subject: |
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frijolero01 wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
just because he hasn't signed any document doesn't mean that a verbal agreement isn't binding. This is a total childish and (bleep) move by DJ. |
No, the verbal agreement is absolutely not binding. The CBA provides the rules here. We are still inside the July Moratorium. DAJ could walk the deal with no consequences -- no legal consequences, anyway. |
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frijolero01 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: |
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etmo wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: | etmo wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
just because he hasn't signed any document doesn't mean that a verbal agreement isn't binding. This is a total childish and (bleep) move by DJ. |
Totally agree with the first part, but the second part is crazy. What did DJ do wrong?
First, either the verbal agreements are binding or they are not. Texas and California state law may apply, depending on many factors. NBA rules will have a say in this.
If the agreements are binding, then why is this called a moratorium period?
If the agreements are not binding, why allow them?
One thing for sure: You can bet there are two tech-billionaire owners who are going to fight tooth-and-nail over this one. Both with open wallets, and huge egos. I'll bet the NBA legal staff is getting screamed at by both sides right now |
It's very unethical and looks very bad despite being legally allowed to change his mind. As a man, when you give your word on something, you don't go back. Still a (bleep) move. |
What makes you think he went back on his word? |
did he not agree to join the mavs? Now that the mavs have cleared up their cap room he wants to change his mind. If he does, what do the mavs do now that all the FAs are gone? |
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etmo Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:49 am Post subject: |
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frijolero01 wrote: | etmo wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: | etmo wrote: | frijolero01 wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | chubby_1_kenobi wrote: | He can't do that, can he? There's gotta be a provision protecting teams from this kind of shenanigans. |
What shenanigans? He hasn't signed yet. |
just because he hasn't signed any document doesn't mean that a verbal agreement isn't binding. This is a total childish and (bleep) move by DJ. |
Totally agree with the first part, but the second part is crazy. What did DJ do wrong?
First, either the verbal agreements are binding or they are not. Texas and California state law may apply, depending on many factors. NBA rules will have a say in this.
If the agreements are binding, then why is this called a moratorium period?
If the agreements are not binding, why allow them?
One thing for sure: You can bet there are two tech-billionaire owners who are going to fight tooth-and-nail over this one. Both with open wallets, and huge egos. I'll bet the NBA legal staff is getting screamed at by both sides right now |
It's very unethical and looks very bad despite being legally allowed to change his mind. As a man, when you give your word on something, you don't go back. Still a (bleep) move. |
What makes you think he went back on his word? |
did he not agree to join the mavs? Now that the mavs have cleared up their cap room he wants to change his mind. If he does, what do the mavs do now that all the FAs are gone? |
Maybe you have more information that I do. Are we sure he wants to change his mind? Did DJ release a statement that he's going back to the Clips?
activeverb wrote: | During the moratorium, the NBA and players association are auditing the books to determine the exact salary cap figures for the upcoming season. Until you have those numbers, you can't know the max salaries or how much cap space each team has.
They've done it this way for more than a decade. |
Yes, but if the agreements are not binding, why allow players to come to agreements? Why not just specify that players cannot come to any agreements? |
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Jordan not going back to the Clippers is actually a good thing for the Clippers. He isn't worth the $81 million over four years the Mavericks have offered, let alone the $108 million over five years the Clippers did. |
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