Teams and players are not allowed to actually agree to any terms during the moratorium.
So Mavs have no recourse here. According to the CBA, there could not have been a verbal agreement between deandre and the mavs. If there was, they would be in violation of the CBA.
I don't believe this is true.
Teams can agree, "We will sign you for the max salary once we find out what the max is."
They simply don't know the exact amount until the cap is set.
But I believe you can sign someone during the moratorium to the minimum salary, because the cap amount doesn't affect that.
It is true in this case. There are only a few exceptions where contract stuff can occur during the moratorium, and you are correct that one of them involves minimum salary signings, but for the DeAndre Jordan thing, it's a no-go.
Teams and players are not allowed to actually agree to any terms during the moratorium.
So Mavs have no recourse here. According to the CBA, there could not have been a verbal agreement between deandre and the mavs. If there was, they would be in violation of the CBA.
I don't believe this is true.
Teams can agree, "We will sign you for the max salary once we find out what the max is."
They simply don't know the exact amount until the cap is set.
But I believe you can sign someone during the moratorium to the minimum salary, because the cap amount doesn't affect that.
There are several exceptions to the July Moratorium. None of them apply to DAJ. Teams and players like DAJ can agree in principle, but not in a legally binding form.
This is not right, unfair to the mavs and bad for the NBA. Silver either needs to put his foot down on this or the Mavs should be compensated adequately.
This is not right, unfair to the mavs and bad for the NBA. Silver either needs to put his foot down on this or the Mavs should be compensated adequately.
Or else the NBA needs to change the FA rules.
How is it unfair?
It's annoying, but this is specifically why they have a moratorium period.
This is not right, unfair to the mavs and bad for the NBA. Silver either needs to put his foot down on this or the Mavs should be compensated adequately.
Or else the NBA needs to change the FA rules.
Dude has you forgotten "Basketball reasons"?? I hate the Clippers, but I wouldn't be unhappy if Cuban is royally screwed!!! karma is a (bleep)!!!!! _________________ New Beginings
This is not right, unfair to the mavs and bad for the NBA. Silver either needs to put his foot down on this or the Mavs should be compensated adequately.
Or else the NBA needs to change the FA rules.
How is it unfair?
It's annoying, but this is specifically why they have a moratorium period.
Of course it's unfair. A team will pass on other FA's, let their present players go to make cap space. All their personnel decisions would be based on the fact that Jordan is a done deal. Otherwise what's the point of having this FA period at all?
This is not right, unfair to the mavs and bad for the NBA. Silver either needs to put his foot down on this or the Mavs should be compensated adequately.
Or else the NBA needs to change the FA rules.
Dude has you forgotten "Basketball reasons"?? I hate the Clippers, but I wouldn't be unhappy if Cuban is royally screwed!!! karma is a (bleep)!!!!!
How would you like it if Shaq had backed out of his deal with the Lakers?
This is not right, unfair to the mavs and bad for the NBA. Silver either needs to put his foot down on this or the Mavs should be compensated adequately.
Or else the NBA needs to change the FA rules.
Dude has you forgotten "Basketball reasons"?? I hate the Clippers, but I wouldn't be unhappy if Cuban is royally screwed!!! karma is a (bleep)!!!!!
How would you like it if Shaq had backed out of his deal with the Lakers?
I would have hated that, which is why it's so funny. Cuban deserves to have this happen to him.
As the Clippers GM, Doc might be screwing himself on future dealings.
If I was another GM/team owner, I would refuse to deal with Doc or the Clippers.
I know a couple of Mavs fans and the reason they are upset is not so much that Jordan changed his mind, it's that he waited until the last minute and screwed them out of landing alternatives.
Think if LMA had strung us along all the way to the very end like Melo did last year.
This was a fair bit worse...he agreed to sign with them, and they suspended pursuit of other free agents.
You can focus your hate on Cuban...and I'd understand, but consider that the Lakers could easily have been the mark here.
Also the Clippers behavior up until the end was disgusting, bush league (bleep). Typical stuff you'd expect from a tool like Doc.
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Woj reporting Doc went behind DJ's agents' back to setup meeting. Relativity Sports also manages other players who could be affected by this decision:
JJ Barea
Monta Ellis
Chandler Parsons
Austin Rivers
Here are some of their other notable NBA clients:
Jimmy Butler
Demarcus Cousins
Dwight Howard
Ricky Rubio
Anderson Varejao
John Wall
As the Clippers GM, Doc might be screwing himself on future dealings.
That's because DJ's agent is very close with Mark Cuban and Clippers didn't think they could get a meeting through him knowing very well that Clippers would try to persuade DJ away from the Mavs. BTW DJ's agent never showed up to the contract signing he sent someone from their agency.
This is not right, unfair to the mavs and bad for the NBA. Silver either needs to put his foot down on this or the Mavs should be compensated adequately.
Or else the NBA needs to change the FA rules.
How is it unfair?
It's annoying, but this is specifically why they have a moratorium period.
Of course it's unfair. A team will pass on other FA's, let their present players go to make cap space. All their personnel decisions would be based on the fact that Jordan is a done deal. Otherwise what's the point of having this FA period at all?
I don't think what DJ did was right but I disagree it was unfair. As it was said, this is actually why the moratorium period exists. All the Players and Owners agreed with it. It's part of the CBA. Do you really think that this scenario wasn't known when it signed. Of course it was. I remember when the Lakers signed Malone. They were at his house on Midnight to make sure he signed the contract because they knew he could change his mind. It's a risk you take.
I actually think this ends up BETTER for the Mavs. DJ is not a franchise player and they would have been paying him like one. I also think its a bad idea to have a "Franchise" Player on your team who has a change of heart. Is it better that he do this now rather than a month from now and then he is stuck in a situation he doesn't want to be in?
Analogy would be would you still want to marry someone you are engaged to if they decide they don't love you anymore?
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I didn't think Jordan was going to Dallas from the beginning. I thought he was sick of CP3 and was being a big baby. Things went just as I thought they would.
I'm reading posters here on LG about it being unfair to Dallas because they passed on quality FA to make room for Jordan. Did Cuban really do that? If he did it would be a surprise. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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If Cuban decides to take legal action against the Clippers and/or its executives, he would have to prove that the actions of the team’s executives amounted to something more than simply competing for Jordan . Neither the Mavericks nor the Clippers were entitled to sign Jordan during the moratorium period, but did competition turn to interference once Jordan committed to the Mavericks?
If the Clippers’ conduct is deemed mere competition, then the unfairness of losing Jordan would not be actionable. However, if Cuban could prove something above and beyond mere negotiations, then he may have a claim. Cuban would not necessarily be required to demonstrate that a contract would have certainly been made with Jordan but for the interference; he would be obligated to at least show that the contract was reasonable probable — a burden Cuban should be able to satisfy.
Expect there to be some fireworks if Jordan decides to change his mind and sign with the Clippers. Despite the fact that it may not be appropriately regulated by the NBA, it could be an issue that Cuban decides to bring to court.
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:23 pm Post subject:
Cuban won't take any legal action. It won't change anything and will accomplish little even if successful.
This instance is why I think the moratorium makes no sense. Once Free Agency opens, players and teams should be able to make binding deals. If teams and players choose to wait and see what else is going on, fine. Let them go that route.
Cuban won't take any legal action. It won't change anything and will accomplish little even if successful.
This instance is why I think the moratorium makes no sense. Once Free Agency opens, players and teams should be able to make binding deals. If teams and players choose to wait and see what else is going on, fine. Let them go that route.
This makes the most sense to do. But up until now, everyone acted on the understanding that a verbal commitment was for all intents and purposes binding. Teams made or didn't make moves once a verbal commitment was made. Jordan's (and by interference the clippers) actions shattered that whole understanding. Now the rules should change.
As the Clippers GM, Doc might be screwing himself on future dealings.
If I was another GM/team owner, I would refuse to deal with Doc or the Clippers.
I know a couple of Mavs fans and the reason they are upset is not so much that Jordan changed his mind, it's that he waited until the last minute and screwed them out of landing alternatives.
Think if LMA had strung us along all the way to the very end like Melo did last year.
This was a fair bit worse...he agreed to sign with them, and they suspended pursuit of other free agents.
You can focus your hate on Cuban...and I'd understand, but consider that the Lakers could easily have been the mark here.
Also the Clippers behavior up until the end was disgusting, bush league (bleep). Typical stuff you'd expect from a tool like Doc.
Given who DAJ's agent is, most of the teams know he has the dirtiest slimiest agent of them all, some teams won't even deal with him (see Spurs and their front office offshoots). There was likely collusion and tampering, quite strong rumors of that, involved that had been going all season long between him and Cuban, there was a ton of (bleep) in the whole Dwight saga too, like the "letting parsons out a year early so he'd stop fighting dwight on houston". It's an unlikely situation to occur again (except maybe with his clients) because he's the only agent who has a notable history of acting in his own and not his clients best interests.
He basically promised DAJ to Cuban as an apology for Dwight choosing Houston over Dallas, it's no real wonder that DAJ backed out and fired him. _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong
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Karma aside, this move by dj is really a bad president.
The NBA must do something to end Cuban's sufferring.
Imagine dj had a verbal commitment with us.
There would be a war on the streets of LA. _________________ Kobe's Top 5 Dunks, 81 points, MJ last gm @Staples
Karma aside, this move by dj is really a bad president.
The NBA must do something to end Cuban's sufferring.
Imagine dj had a verbal commitment with us.
There would be a war on the streets of LA.
I'm sure the NBA will make a new rule for the next CBA after what DJ did lol. _________________
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