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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:48 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
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Understand your opinions

When the Lakers play mainly a free-flowing offense with multiple passes and the fourth quarters is made of a series of ISOs that frustrated Byron - it appears that the players resort to Hero Ball to try to win games instead of trusting the system.

What play would have DLO doing nothing except dribbling beyond the 3pt line and pass BACK to Lou Williams who rejected the high P&R action along with the other three players doing nothing except watch goes against any and all principals taught in Remedial Basketball 101.

Wondering how you are discerning the difference between the lack of execution vs rookie mistakes
The play that Byron called. Everything up to Lou waving off the screen at the end was exactly the play as Byron drew it up. So how the heck is that a rookie mistake?
Understand your viewpoint

Hard to understand that only Hibbert was near the vicinity of the paint - from my observation of the play to either rebound or block out (along with doing these things throughout the game).

These are the mistakes of rookies and/or inexperienced players - IMHO
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:56 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Understand your opinions

When the Lakers play mainly a free-flowing offense with multiple passes and the fourth quarters is made of a series of ISOs that frustrated Byron - it appears that the players resort to Hero Ball to try to win games instead of trusting the system.

What play would have DLO doing nothing except dribbling beyond the 3pt line and pass BACK to Lou Williams who rejected the high P&R action along with the other three players doing nothing except watch goes against any and all principals taught in Remedial Basketball 101.

Wondering how you are discerning the difference between the lack of execution vs rookie mistakes
The play that Byron called. Everything up to Lou waving off the screen at the end was exactly the play as Byron drew it up. So how the heck is that a rookie mistake?
Understand your viewpoint

Hard to understand that only Hibbert was near the vicinity of the paint - from my observation of the play to either rebound or block out (along with doing these things throughout the game).

These are the mistakes of rookies and/or inexperienced players - IMHO


The alignment was fine. Spread pick and roll with three shooters. Lou waves off the screen because he thought he could take Payton (he had scored on a similar play on a different defender earlier in the game). But Hibbert getting waved off actually put his defender in Lou's path, necessitating the pullup, although Lou possibly could have kept going and hooked a pass over to Swaggy in the corner.

My conclusion is that it wasn't the most creative play call, and in terms of the botched execution, it was on Lou. Still, if he hit rim, Hibbert might have won it. At the very least it would have bounced off and gone to overtime.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:10 am    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Understand your opinions

When the Lakers play mainly a free-flowing offense with multiple passes and the fourth quarters is made of a series of ISOs that frustrated Byron - it appears that the players resort to Hero Ball to try to win games instead of trusting the system.

What play would have DLO doing nothing except dribbling beyond the 3pt line and pass BACK to Lou Williams who rejected the high P&R action along with the other three players doing nothing except watch goes against any and all principals taught in Remedial Basketball 101.

Wondering how you are discerning the difference between the lack of execution vs rookie mistakes
The play that Byron called. Everything up to Lou waving off the screen at the end was exactly the play as Byron drew it up. So how the heck is that a rookie mistake?
Understand your viewpoint

Hard to understand that only Hibbert was near the vicinity of the paint - from my observation of the play to either rebound or block out (along with doing these things throughout the game).

These are the mistakes of rookies and/or inexperienced players - IMHO
The alignment was fine. Spread pick and roll with three shooters. Lou waves off the screen because he thought he could take Payton (he had scored on a similar play on a different defender earlier in the game). But Hibbert getting waved off actually put his defender in Lou's path, necessitating the pullup, although Lou possibly could have kept going and hooked a pass over to Swaggy in the corner.

My conclusion is that it wasn't the most creative play call, and in terms of the botched execution, it was on Lou. Still, if he hit rim, Hibbert might have won it. At the very least it would have bounced off and gone to overtime.
one wonders why DLO drive towards the paint to draw defenders to him before pitching out to Lou Williams to get the defensive players moving instead of loading up on Lou Williams.

Some media pundits have shared that because this is a young team with veterans unfamiliar with Byron's system was relegated to simple plays.

Lou pulling the ball back out was interesting since he couldn't beat Payton on the dribble, didn't pass the ball to get the ball back (like Swaggy, like what you have shared) or to somebody cutting towards the basket (like Randle). He pulled the ball back out to try again to shoot a contested outside shot that didn't even draw iron (ala Chickee Baby) - as oppose towards the basket where he might be able to draw a foul.

As you have alluded to above, they just need any points or at least hit the rim.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:48 am    Post subject:

^ It has nothing to do with what DLO did at all. The play happened over ten seconds later.



It's always better to watch the film (especially when it's so easy to access in this day and age) and see what is going on, rather than to rely on the comments of media members. The team full of veterans was running the same playbook last year, with the same stagnant results.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:58 am    Post subject:

This sounds like the narrative from that idiot Mason on 710 earlier this afternoon. It's on the ESPN radio links around the 230-300 o'clock mark. Dude was saying DLO had the ball and dribbled around and couldn't decide what to do so he dumped it to Lou. Forcing Lou to have to take a contested tough shot. Which is totally inaccurate. He went on to say DLO has to know that it was his moment to make a mark as a Laker great... lol.

The video is blatantly there showing exactly what happened.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:09 am    Post subject:

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^ It has nothing to do with what DLO did at all. The play happened over ten seconds later.



It's always better to watch the film (especially when it's so easy to access in this day and age) and see what is going on, rather than to rely on the comments of media members. The team full of veterans was running the same playbook last year, with the same stagnant results.
Thanks for the video and your continuing expertise that is personally appreciated

As shared, a more experienced team MIGHT have the following happened recognizing that when it was 5.4 seconds to play - everybody knew that Lou was going to take the shot in this ISO that seeming was the set where Kobe is the always the shooter

* DLO (when more experienced and assertive) could be at the top of the key and making himself waiting with his hands up (like Swaggy) since Payton was guarding Lou Williams on his right side. It would be unrealistic to expect DLO to be able to understand how to make himself available and it might not have made any difference especially with an excellent defensive player on Lou Williams (see below)

* In the future, maybe we would see DLO going towards the basket when the shot is in the air (like what Swaggy and MWP should be doing) going towards the basket for rebounds


Side Note
NBA is a "make shot" league and in this case, Lou Williams had a clean shot (uncontested with no hands in his face) and just missed the shot.

It was interesting that at 5.4 seconds that Lou didn't take a shot at that time to get a foul

Conclusion (Upon further observation)
It wasn't "mistakes" but an invaluable learning experience where the team is learning its identity. In this case, it was DLO (instead of Clarkson) with four veterans - the best way for DLO to learn. It would be interesting to discover how many winning shots in the final moments of a game where Lou Williams has been successful.

Lou Williams couldn't take advantage of Payton (recognizing that he is fast-rising young PG with excellent defensive skill sets because of his high basketball IQ, heightened sense of court awareness, superb reflexes/extremely fast hands, excellent timing on passes by the other team to limit passing lanes without sacrificing solid defensive principles and a tenacious on-ball defender

School was in Session
Learning how to execute "as a team" in crunch time. Fiendishoc, what sets do you think would be more effective and why didn't they utilize the play that Lou Williams did the last time he was in the position to win the game/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:51 am    Post subject:

They didn't run the same play because the clock situation was different. That one was inbound and go, while this one had the full clock to run down.

With that much time, they could have done more off ball screening action, first to misdirect the defense and create space, and second to possibly force some switches into mismatches, like you see in this Beal gamewinner:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:07 am    Post subject:

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They didn't run the same play because the clock situation was different. That one was inbound and go, while this one had the full clock to run down.

With that much time, they could have done more off ball screening action, first to misdirect the defense and create space, and second to possibly force some switches into mismatches, like you see in this Beal gamewinner:



Goodness, comparing that play with the Lakers shoes in the mud play is just painful. All 5 Wizards players moving and creating misdirection, and if you look, the weakside movement at the bottom got the Wizards into great rebounding position as well if the ball rimmed out.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:02 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
^ It has nothing to do with what DLO did at all. The play happened over ten seconds later.



It's always better to watch the film (especially when it's so easy to access in this day and age) and see what is going on, rather than to rely on the comments of media members. The team full of veterans was running the same playbook last year, with the same stagnant results.
Thanks for the video and your continuing expertise that is personally appreciated

As shared, a more experienced team MIGHT have the following happened recognizing that when it was 5.4 seconds to play - everybody knew that Lou was going to take the shot in this ISO that seeming was the set where Kobe is the always the shooter

* DLO (when more experienced and assertive) could be at the top of the key and making himself waiting with his hands up (like Swaggy) since Payton was guarding Lou Williams on his right side. It would be unrealistic to expect DLO to be able to understand how to make himself available and it might not have made any difference especially with an excellent defensive player on Lou Williams (see below)

* In the future, maybe we would see DLO going towards the basket when the shot is in the air (like what Swaggy and MWP should be doing) going towards the basket for rebounds


Side Note
NBA is a "make shot" league and in this case, Lou Williams had a clean shot (uncontested with no hands in his face) and just missed the shot.

It was interesting that at 5.4 seconds that Lou didn't take a shot at that time to get a foul

Conclusion (Upon further observation)
It wasn't "mistakes" but an invaluable learning experience where the team is learning its identity. In this case, it was DLO (instead of Clarkson) with four veterans - the best way for DLO to learn. It would be interesting to discover how many winning shots in the final moments of a game where Lou Williams has been successful.

Lou Williams couldn't take advantage of Payton (recognizing that he is fast-rising young PG with excellent defensive skill sets because of his high basketball IQ, heightened sense of court awareness, superb reflexes/extremely fast hands, excellent timing on passes by the other team to limit passing lanes without sacrificing solid defensive principles and a tenacious on-ball defender

School was in Session
Learning how to execute "as a team" in crunch time. Fiendishoc, what sets do you think would be more effective and why didn't they utilize the play that Lou Williams did the last time he was in the position to win the game/


The play broke down for two reasons:

Lou waved off the screen.
Lou failed to catch the rim resulting in a 24 second violation.

I am hard on Scott, but to his credit he did two things exactly right:

He spread the floor.
He called for a pick and roll.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:51 pm    Post subject:

24 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
^ It has nothing to do with what DLO did at all. The play happened over ten seconds later.



It's always better to watch the film (especially when it's so easy to access in this day and age) and see what is going on, rather than to rely on the comments of media members. The team full of veterans was running the same playbook last year, with the same stagnant results.
Thanks for the video and your continuing expertise that is personally appreciated

As shared, a more experienced team MIGHT have the following happened recognizing that when it was 5.4 seconds to play - everybody knew that Lou was going to take the shot in this ISO that seeming was the set where Kobe is the always the shooter

* DLO (when more experienced and assertive) could be at the top of the key and making himself waiting with his hands up (like Swaggy) since Payton was guarding Lou Williams on his right side. It would be unrealistic to expect DLO to be able to understand how to make himself available and it might not have made any difference especially with an excellent defensive player on Lou Williams (see below)

* In the future, maybe we would see DLO going towards the basket when the shot is in the air (like what Swaggy and MWP should be doing) going towards the basket for rebounds


Side Note
NBA is a "make shot" league and in this case, Lou Williams had a clean shot (uncontested with no hands in his face) and just missed the shot.

It was interesting that at 5.4 seconds that Lou didn't take a shot at that time to get a foul

Conclusion (Upon further observation)
It wasn't "mistakes" but an invaluable learning experience where the team is learning its identity. In this case, it was DLO (instead of Clarkson) with four veterans - the best way for DLO to learn. It would be interesting to discover how many winning shots in the final moments of a game where Lou Williams has been successful.

Lou Williams couldn't take advantage of Payton (recognizing that he is fast-rising young PG with excellent defensive skill sets because of his high basketball IQ, heightened sense of court awareness, superb reflexes/extremely fast hands, excellent timing on passes by the other team to limit passing lanes without sacrificing solid defensive principles and a tenacious on-ball defender

School was in Session
Learning how to execute "as a team" in crunch time. Fiendishoc, what sets do you think would be more effective and why didn't they utilize the play that Lou Williams did the last time he was in the position to win the game/


The play broke down for two reasons:

Lou waved off the screen.
Lou failed to catch the rim resulting in a 24 second violation.

I am hard on Scott, but to his credit he did two things exactly right:

He spread the floor.
He called for a pick and roll.
Thanks Fiendishoc

Very soon is will be "Next Man Up" on who can be the main threat to produce in "Winning Time." Lou Williams is the obvious first choice because he has a track record of being a triple threat - shoots well, passes well and draw fouls. His second attempt that was against a young player where a hand was not in his face did not even hit iron (worst scenario) but he shut down LouWill.

The first attempt resulted in a missed easy layup

Will Swaggy get the call next in he near future
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:17 pm    Post subject:

^That was 24, not me. I agree with him though. It wasn't the most creative play call, but the breakdown was due to Lou.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:48 pm    Post subject:

Sorry if this has already been discussed in the thread, but have folks noticed that we are switching the PnR, seemingly as a predefined strategy?

it's almost like Scott has determined Bryant, Lou and (at least early season) Russell, Clarkson and Young couldn't get over the screen.

It's not a good look.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:30 pm    Post subject:

So the Lakers' improved defense... the real deal or is it a mirage?

Before last night's game, it seemed like teams were just missing their open jumpers. Their defense looked better last game but the Pistons are challenged offensively.

Should we expect for this to continue or is a regression in order?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:41 pm    Post subject:

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So the Lakers' improved defense... the real deal or is it a mirage?

Before last night's game, it seemed like teams were just missing their open jumpers. Their defense looked better last game but the Pistons are challenged offensively.

Should we expect for this to continue or is a regression in order?


I think a regression is coming. We're playing a lot of offensively inept opponents and we're getting lucky on teams missing open shots.

On uncontested 3 pointers, teams are shooting 31.5% against us which is the 5th worst in the league. The league average is 37%.

We also have the lowest percentage of opponent three point FGs contested in the league, IMO a product of where we are positioning our help defenders (everyone sticks too close to their own man until they have to rotate, whereupon they leave them wide open).

This combo doesn't bode well for the future, especially when the competition picks up.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:03 pm    Post subject:

Byron's offensive and defensive schemes both suffer from being steeped in pre illegal defense spacing. Hence, the driving lanes that worked when defenses had to guard tightly are not there when defenders can back a step or two off their man while still being able to recover. And defensively, rather than take advantage of that, our men are right up on their assignment, and thus have farther to rotate to help, and thus farther to rotate to get back in recovery.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:12 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
tox wrote:
So the Lakers' improved defense... the real deal or is it a mirage?

Before last night's game, it seemed like teams were just missing their open jumpers. Their defense looked better last game but the Pistons are challenged offensively.

Should we expect for this to continue or is a regression in order?


I think a regression is coming. We're playing a lot of offensively inept opponents and we're getting lucky on teams missing open shots.

On uncontested 3 pointers, teams are shooting 31.5% against us which is the 5th worst in the league. The league average is 37%.

We also have the lowest percentage of opponent three point FGs contested in the league, IMO a product of where we are positioning our help defenders (everyone sticks too close to their own man until they have to rotate, whereupon they leave them wide open).

This combo doesn't bode well for the future, especially when the competition picks up.


Ah, the news I knew in my heart but didn't want to believe is true. Thanks for the stats, they seem to confirm what my eyes have been telling me.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:58 am    Post subject:

Nice article on creative counters by coaches against common NBA schemes.

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/11/17/nba-coaches-creative-counters-established-actions
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:14 am    Post subject:

The "abandoning the dunker spot" section seems like a good way to use Randle.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:08 am    Post subject:

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The "abandoning the dunker spot" section seems like a good way to use Randle.


Yeah, but I think that particular play in the GIF is better if you have a shooter setting the first screen, like a Ryan Kelly. Possibly Hibbert can space with a long two though.

I'd be happy to see Randle at least try the "dunker's spot" (short corner) first instead of standing at the three point line, where his man is free to clog the lane. We had some success with it in last year's preseason but haven't put him there this season.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:10 pm    Post subject:

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tox wrote:
The "abandoning the dunker spot" section seems like a good way to use Randle.
Yeah, but I think that particular play in the GIF is better if you have a shooter setting the first screen, like a Ryan Kelly. Possibly Hibbert can space with a long two though.

I'd be happy to see Randle at least try the "dunker's spot" (short corner) first instead of standing at the three point line, where his man is free to clog the lane. We had some success with it in last year's preseason but haven't put him there this season.
fiendishoc - could this lineup be the Lakers' version of their Small Ball (Death Squad) lineup that has been so successful

Randle
MWP
Nance
Clarkson
DLO

Since Swaggy and Lou Williams ar having problems being consistent and dependable shooters (especially in the second half)what is the culprit and what is the answer
noting that Bass is a detriment in any lineup otherwise (because of his reputation as a defensive player) he would be interchangeable with MWP
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:32 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
tox wrote:
The "abandoning the dunker spot" section seems like a good way to use Randle.
Yeah, but I think that particular play in the GIF is better if you have a shooter setting the first screen, like a Ryan Kelly. Possibly Hibbert can space with a long two though.

I'd be happy to see Randle at least try the "dunker's spot" (short corner) first instead of standing at the three point line, where his man is free to clog the lane. We had some success with it in last year's preseason but haven't put him there this season.
fiendishoc - could this lineup be the Lakers' version of their Small Ball (Death Squad) lineup that has been so successful

Randle
MWP
Nance
Clarkson
DLO

Since Swaggy and Lou Williams ar having problems being consistent and dependable shooters (especially in the second half)what is the culprit and what is the answer
noting that Bass is a detriment in any lineup otherwise (because of his reputation as a defensive player) he would be interchangeable with MWP


I like it. I've been calling for Randle to play small ball center since summer league. The reason is that while he can't shoot, he has the guard skills to make it a nightmare for the center guarding him, especially when surrounded by four shooters. This is unlike Bass, who is fast, but only has the skills of a traditional big. The lineup that they closed with against the Raptors is pretty much the same as the above, but with Kobe in place of Nance, and did pretty well.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:04 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
tox wrote:
The "abandoning the dunker spot" section seems like a good way to use Randle.
Yeah, but I think that particular play in the GIF is better if you have a shooter setting the first screen, like a Ryan Kelly. Possibly Hibbert can space with a long two though.

I'd be happy to see Randle at least try the "dunker's spot" (short corner) first instead of standing at the three point line, where his man is free to clog the lane. We had some success with it in last year's preseason but haven't put him there this season.
fiendishoc - could this lineup be the Lakers' version of their Small Ball (Death Squad) lineup that has been so successful

Randle
MWP
Nance
Clarkson
DLO

Since Swaggy and Lou Williams ar having problems being consistent and dependable shooters (especially in the second half)what is the culprit and what is the answer
noting that Bass is a detriment in any lineup otherwise (because of his reputation as a defensive player) he would be interchangeable with MWP


I like it. I've been calling for Randle to play small ball center since summer league. The reason is that while he can't shoot, he has the guard skills to make it a nightmare for the center guarding him, especially when surrounded by four shooters. This is unlike Bass, who is fast, but only has the skills of a traditional big. The lineup that they closed with against the Raptors is pretty much the same as the above, but with Kobe in place of Nance, and did pretty well.


I didn't catch the 4th quarter of last night's game. How did that lineup work defensively and on the glass? Seems like Randle lacks Green's do-it-all defensive versitility that keeps those lineups successful
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:17 am    Post subject:

tox wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
tox wrote:
The "abandoning the dunker spot" section seems like a good way to use Randle.
Yeah, but I think that particular play in the GIF is better if you have a shooter setting the first screen, like a Ryan Kelly. Possibly Hibbert can space with a long two though.

I'd be happy to see Randle at least try the "dunker's spot" (short corner) first instead of standing at the three point line, where his man is free to clog the lane. We had some success with it in last year's preseason but haven't put him there this season.
fiendishoc - could this lineup be the Lakers' version of their Small Ball (Death Squad) lineup that has been so successful

Randle
MWP
Nance
Clarkson
DLO

Since Swaggy and Lou Williams ar having problems being consistent and dependable shooters (especially in the second half)what is the culprit and what is the answer
noting that Bass is a detriment in any lineup otherwise (because of his reputation as a defensive player) he would be interchangeable with MWP


I like it. I've been calling for Randle to play small ball center since summer league. The reason is that while he can't shoot, he has the guard skills to make it a nightmare for the center guarding him, especially when surrounded by four shooters. This is unlike Bass, who is fast, but only has the skills of a traditional big. The lineup that they closed with against the Raptors is pretty much the same as the above, but with Kobe in place of Nance, and did pretty well.


I didn't catch the 4th quarter of last night's game. How did that lineup work defensively and on the glass? Seems like Randle lacks Green's do-it-all defensive versitility that keeps those lineups successful


That lineup played six minutes, all in that final stretch. Their offensive rating was 109.1 vs a defensive rating of 81, for a net rating of +28.1.

Defense was good but defensive rebounding wasn't. Their opponent shot 3 for 9, and offensive rebounded 3 of the 6 misses. That was OK because the Lakers unit forced 3 turnovers during that time. They outscored their opponent 12-8, and I think that 8 included intentional foul ft's.
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fiendishoc wrote:
tox wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
tox wrote:
The "abandoning the dunker spot" section seems like a good way to use Randle.
Yeah, but I think that particular play in the GIF is better if you have a shooter setting the first screen, like a Ryan Kelly. Possibly Hibbert can space with a long two though.

I'd be happy to see Randle at least try the "dunker's spot" (short corner) first instead of standing at the three point line, where his man is free to clog the lane. We had some success with it in last year's preseason but haven't put him there this season.
fiendishoc - could this lineup be the Lakers' version of their Small Ball (Death Squad) lineup that has been so successful

Randle
MWP
Nance
Clarkson
DLO

Since Swaggy and Lou Williams ar having problems being consistent and dependable shooters (especially in the second half)what is the culprit and what is the answer
noting that Bass is a detriment in any lineup otherwise (because of his reputation as a defensive player) he would be interchangeable with MWP
I like it. I've been calling for Randle to play small ball center since summer league. The reason is that while he can't shoot, he has the guard skills to make it a nightmare for the center guarding him, especially when surrounded by four shooters. This is unlike Bass, who is fast, but only has the skills of a traditional big. The lineup that they closed with against the Raptors is pretty much the same as the above, but with Kobe in place of Nance, and did pretty well.
I didn't catch the 4th quarter of last night's game. How did that lineup work defensively and on the glass? Seems like Randle lacks Green's do-it-all defensive versitility that keeps those lineups successful
That lineup played six minutes, all in that final stretch. Their offensive rating was 109.1 vs a defensive rating of 81, for a net rating of +28.1.

Defense was good but defensive rebounding wasn't. Their opponent shot 3 for 9, and offensive rebounded 3 of the 6 misses. That was OK because the Lakers unit forced 3 turnovers during that time. They outscored their opponent 12-8, and I think that 8 included intentional foul ft's.
The Randle/Clarkson/DLO/Nance//MWP could relive the deadly "blitzes" that the old UCLA teams often displayed from the Hazzard/Goodrich/Slaughter years to the Walton and Gang teams that were a joy to watch.

Maybe the "effectiveness" and reputation of players such as Swaggy/Lou Williams/Bass be a good fit for another team that could be traded at the trading deadline for draft picks/young players not getting any PT - hence the reason why Byron is getting them a call before the young players

Has Black become angry enough to be able to play the 5 for the second team.

If you have watch Upshaw play, when will he be ready to be part of the Lakers. Having watched two games, he hasn't displayed the needed basketball IQ to always move with a purpose - noting that many on today's Lakers team are often moving without a purpose(if they are moving at all).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:52 pm    Post subject:

So I stumbled upon this quote by Byron after the Raptors game:

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“They went with a small lineup,” Scott said. “I even told our coaches, I said, 'Man, this is a game I wish I could get Roy back in there,' but they had Patterson, James Johnson, and they were pretty small, and they had us pretty much spread out.”


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2591895-have-new-nba-trends-rendered-la-lakers-center-roy-hibbert-obsolete

I'm not going to talk about the misguided decision to play Bass at the five spot this time, but rather about keeping Roy off the floor. Basically, Byron played right into the other coach's hands in benching the Laker's only interior defender. It's not like the Lakers were facing the Warrior's doom lineup- none of those guys in the Raptors small lineups outside of Carroll have been shooting well from three point line this season.

Roy didn't play starting from 3:02 left in the 3rd quarter. Instead he had Bass at center from that point until 6:25 left in the 4th when Randle came in to take over as small ball center. In this span the Lakers went from a tie game 65-65 to down 91-75. Our lineup had neither the rebounding to punish the other team on the glass, nor the shooting or guard skills at five positions to match their offense.

This is what I said about small ball in September, before the season started:

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This is a mistake a lot of people are making when talking about small ball. It's not a magic bullet that's going to make your team better whenever you use it. You use it to make another team adjust, possibly sacrificing one of their advantages - the obvious one being having to bench their rim protector.

That's why my concern is not about Byron's willingness to go small, which, going by his offseason interview, is going to happen. My concern is whether he understands the why and when of going small. For example, opposing teams are almost definitely going to go small against us to play Hibbert off the floor. If, Scott sees this and says, great, now I can roll out my small ball because the other team is smaller, he's playing right into the other team's hands.

A good coach would find a way to keep Hibbert on the floor. And then versus a Whiteside or Gobert, go small in stretches with Randle at the 5 to keep them off the floor.


If you're going to go small, go small with Randle and four shooters. If not, then keep Hibbert on the floor and come up with a scheme that can take advantage of his size.
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