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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:11 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -vs- KNICKS - 7-13-15 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

A Day Off In Vegas… The stats tell the story, 6 assists and 21 total turnovers. It’s been a cluster%$@#!! on offense.

I wouldn’t put this so much on Madsen, because he is simply following instruction on what BScott wants. He can’t implement anything he wants, he simply follows orders.

“We gave the guys a day off yesterday, and that was probably a mistake,” Madsen said. Whether that was his decision or Scott’s, who knows…but it was a dumb one. This looked like a throwaway game.

The spacing out there has been awful. It was one pass and then attack, at most. Picture how five Nick Young’s might play together while loosely running an ill-conceived offense. Russell described his poor play as trying to make something out of nothing, which seemed pretty accurate.

The second-year players were the only ones to make something happen offensively and they did so simply because they’ve got a little more experience with the speed and in scramble situations. But even for Jordan Clarkson, Jabari Brown and Tarik Black, it was still a mess despite their ability to scratch some points out.

This was the kind of display you’d expect in the first game of the summer league. Some of the players were looking very frustrated. The packed house of fans, as well.


Clarkson -- -- He’s been one of the better players in the summer league, but tonight the Knicks made him and everyone else on the Lakers look awful. In the first half, there may have been one play where the Lakers kicked out to an open shooter (not a bigman)…and it was Randle who set up Clarkson. The game never looked simple. The team had very little inside-out action (whether via the pass, penetration or post up). The ball didn’t move side to side. It was ugly. It will be interesting to see how the Clarkson/Russell combo develops. Clarkson has more experience right now with more time in college, a year in the pro’s and some lessons with professor Nash. Russell is the 19 year old. So we may not get a real feel for the duo’s chemistry for a while. Clarkson thought the chemistry has been good and mentioned their ability to both play off ball. The Stats: He scored 13 points on 3-14 shooting (1-4 from three, 6-8 from the line) to go with 1 assist, 1 board, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 34 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He missed a long three up against the shotclock. He attacked and couldn’t finish over a man. He missed a floater on a drive. He got backdoored for a layup. Looked like a fumble/pass to Black on a drive for a score. He swished a 21-footer off the chin series. He missed a forced wing jumper off a busted set. He attacked the rim on an inside-out dribble and drew FTs, he made both. He attacked and was stripped for a turnover. He missed a jumper in the lane off a wing screen. He drew FTs on the final possession of the half, made one FT, got it back and made a short jumper. Second Half: He sank a catch-and-shoot three to start the half (one of the few simple shots all game). He gave up an And-1 on a Grant drive. He drew FTs on the break when Randle hit him filling the lane, he made one. He sliced through traffic on the dribble but couldn’t finish. He airballed a pull-up three in transition. He missed a pull-up wing jumper. He attacked and missed a layup on iso. He attacked the rim and drew FTs, he made both. He missed a big corner three off a Randle kickout.

Russell -- -- He said he was forcing the issue too much. “I’m trying to make something out of nothing,” he said. That’s actually a pretty good description of how this game went for not just him, but everyone else, as well. He had 1 assist and 8 turnovers. D Loading. That’s what the Knicks D was doing to the Lakers. They were loading up on them as they attacked. The spacing was horrible. His outlet passing in the preseason has been outstanding. Hitting guys in stride, moving the ball up court 50 feet in a second. Tonight, everything was getting picked off. “It’s a learning process. He’s going to continue to get better,” Clarkson said. “I expect great things out of him.” Clarkson’s advice to both him and Randle was to just keep playing. I’m not concerned with the quality of play from Russell yet. The system is a mess, which is making the game more complicated than it needs to be. On any given play, Russell should know where all his options are depending on how the D reacts. I think he barely knows what’s going to happen when we call a play because of both inexperience in the sets (of course) but the collective cluster$#%# team IQ in what they are trying to run. The first option inevitably fails and we resort into iso’s and improv with bad spacing. Shooting-wise, I’m not quite sure he’s comfortable with the NBA three range yet. That will come with work. “He works hard. He wants to be great and he will be great,” Madsen said. He didn’t get the boards tonight (Lakers were outrebounded as a team), but that’s been a positive in the other games. Defensively, he’s shown some good potential on this end. The length and anticipation is a good combo. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 3-7 shooting (0-2 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 1 assist, 8 turnovers and 3 fouls in 23 minutes. He was a -4. The Action: He missed a wing jumper off a crossover, going up against the shotclock. He scored a layup around Porzingis working off the high screen next time down for the Lakers first score. He lost the handle on a drive. He missed a pull-up midrange. He missed a pull-up at the elbow off the chin pick and roll. He swished a step-back wing jumper. He iso’d, stepped back, hesitated and missed the three. He tried to thread a needle in transition on a no-looker and was picked off. He attacked and was stripped, turnover, on the next trip down. Second Half: He spotted Black open under the hoop for FTs. He attacked baseline and drew FTs in a crowd searching for contact, he made both. He was called for a travel after a wild kickout from Clarkson. Tarik Black again not paying attention for a Russell pass, turnover. He got backdoored for FTs. He worked the dribble and sank the 16-footer. His bounce pass on the break was picked off. He iso’d and missed the wing three. He took a handoff on a set play, got caught in the crowd and threw it into the backcourt. XXX

Randle -- -- “I got to get my teammates going. I got to get myself going,” Randle said. He mentioned he tried that in the second half and the offense did open up a little more. “It’s extremely frustrating,” Randle said of getting himself back on the floor and playing effectively. The Lakers are easing him into action with just 20 minutes and skipping the last game. The team looked to feed him in the first couple possessions. Randle showed no confidence in his jumper, instead looking to drive at every opportunity. The result wasn’t pretty. He said his rhythm and timing is off on everything. He was trying to force the scores early on. When he started passing, we had a tiny (very tiny) bit of fluidity to our offense. No post ups, a lot of face-up action from the top of the key. He’s got to combine that with the midrange game to be truly effective. He pushed the ball up court a lot full speed, a couple of times that was an adventure. He needs to go from Runaway Freight Train to just Freight Train. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 2-8 shooting (3-6 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers, 1 block and 5 fouls in 19 minutes. He was a -15. The Action: He was blocked on a baseline drive. He missed a drive into a crowd taking contact (past his man into three Knicks, horrible spacing). Not close on a jumphook on iso in the post. He fouled a three shooter. He erased a drive in transition, then threw it away. He threw an outlet away. He attacked, stopped and drew contact under the hoop for FTs, he made one FT. He iso’d at the end of the quarter, the D converged and he was blocked. Second Half: He kicked to Clarkson for the three. He didn’t hit the cutter with a pass like he should have, attacked the crowd and lost it. Solid D on iso against Porzingis in the post and he later was fouled on a loose ball hustle. He pushed out the break off the stop and found Clarkson for FTs. He attacked and kicked to Jabari for the three. He attacked and threw a pass too hot inside the paint. He attacked down the middle of the lane and missed the short one. He pushed out the loose ball and hit Jabari for the layup. He iso’d at the top of the key, spun around Porzingis and drew FTs. He attacked from the top of the key off the pick and pop and scored a layup in a crowd to his right. He scooped up a loose ball, attacked and scored a layup. He pushed up the dribble at high speed and kicked to Clarkson, who missed a big open three with a minute left. He missed a chippy at the rim on a drive out of a timeout. He was fouled on an inbounds pass and made one.

Black -- -- Russell may need to start aiming for Tarik’s head instead of his hands on some of those passes. Black isn’t ready for them. Maybe bouncing a couple off his head will help. (Worthy later mentioned this after the game, as well, about getting hit in the head with passes from Magic in practice.) He had just 3 fouls in this game. Not sure what was going on with the foul-prone ball in the others. He proved to be a very serviceable defender against NBAers. He fouled Porzingis on a jumper early on, which has been par for the course. He scored in a variety of ways, including a long jumper which he probably needs to add in order to make his drive and face-up game more respectable. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 4-6 shooting (2-2 form the line) to go with 5 boards, 2 steals, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 25 minutes. He was a -5. The Action: He fouled Porzingis on a jumper, sigh. He missed a jumphook. He hit a jumphook in early offense off a Clarkson fumble/pass. He attacked from the elbow and scored a layup with his left. He swished a baseline jumper on iso. He hung at the rim and tipped in a missed jumper. Looked like he tipped a missed FT out for Clarkson to score off of. Second Half: He drew FTs trying to power up under the hoop, he made both. He missed a step-back baseline jumper.

A. Brown -- -- He needs spot up threes created for him out of a system. Right now we are not playing to anyone’s strengths out there, so his game will suffer in relation to other’s inability to be effective. We subbed the Browns for out for each other often tonight. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 1-3 shooting (0-2 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 1 turnover and 6 fouls in 20 minutes. He was a -2. The Action: He missed a wing three in transition. Second Half: He tipped in a missed jumper in a crowd. He missed a wing three. He drew FTs on a sloppy break, he made both.

Nance -- -- The best max vert reach at the combine this year, it seems like we see that put on display at least a couple of times a game in spectacular fashion. Whether that’s throwing down putback jams over other bigs or blocking shots (did both to Okafor in the last game), that’s an elite ability that will translate to the NBA. We didn’t see that tonight. He general length helped come up with 3 steals and his hustle helped with the 6 boards. He missed all his shots, including one from beyond the arc. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 0-4 shooting (0-1 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 1 assist, 3 steals, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 28 minutes. He was a +2. The Action: He iso’d and missed a jumphook. He was stripped trying to drive into a crowd. He missed an open baseline jumper. He was called for an illegal screen. He missed an open 17-footer. He deflected a pass to ignite a break. He was fouled on a jumper from the top-of-the-key, he made both. Second Half: He dropped to the level of the ball and swiped the pass. He drew a hooking call on his man. He bricked a corner three on a kickout.

Upshaw -- -- A whole lot of nothing from him today in very limited action. The Lakers went to a lot of zone defensively. There was no real post threat to deal with, either. The Stats: He had 1 board in 6 minutes. He was a -3. The Action: Nothing to report.

J. Brown -- -- “We just got to move the ball a little better,” Jabari said, one very red eye after getting a finger to it from Jordan in practice. He wore some goggles to protect him. He led the team in scoring, doing a good job of getting to the line. The difference between him this year and last year is the aggressiveness. He was a deer in the headlights before, now he’s confident and hungry. The Stats: He scored 20 points on 5-14 shooting (2-7 from three, 8-11 from the line) to go with 1 board, 3 steals, 1 turnover and 6 fouls in 27 minutes. He was a -7. The Action: He swiped the ball on a reach, then dunked. He iso’d and missed a drive trying to create against the shotclock. He attacked baselined and was fouled, he made both. He swished a step-back three straight away. He missed a wing three. He swiped a post entry pass and missed a layup on the break. He had 3 steals in the half. Second Half: He attacked off the three line on a kickout and drew FTs, he made both. He curled around a screen and drew FTs. He sank a three off a Randle drive and kick. He missed a three up against the shotclock, missed everything. He didn’t wait for a play to develop, attacked the paint and scored the And-1 layup, he missed the FT. He made a tech FT. He attacked the paint and drew FTs, he made one. He missed a long three, popping out on the weakside. He scored the And-1 layup on the break when Randle pushed out and hit him, he missed the FT. He attacked, fell and threw it away. He missed a wing three. He missed an open sideline three. He attacked and couldn’t finish the layup.

Nothing much to report on anyone else.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:15 pm    Post subject:

Great to see these again. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:24 pm    Post subject:

And now it has officially begun. So great to have you back DB.

Lakers had Chick. Dodgers have Vin. LG has DB.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:25 pm    Post subject:

Actual analysis. Hurray.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:37 pm    Post subject:

Welcome back!
I missed this game stuck at work but the natives are extremely restless in multiple threads, LOL.

Are the Lakers throwing the kids out there to see how they deal with adversity or is the offense they are trying to run truly that bad?

Will the preseason camp and games with the vets help with the offense any, in your opinion?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:44 pm    Post subject:

tony smith wrote:
And now it has officially begun. So great to have you back DB.

Lakers had Chick. Dodgers have Vin. LG has DB.


Post of the year!

I agree.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:50 pm    Post subject:

My body is ready.

But not for what i saw tonight.

Thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject:

Nice read. For those without time to read, here is the tldr version:

Russel and Randle are likely busts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:07 pm    Post subject:

15 wrote:
Nice read. For those without time to read, here is the tldr version:

Russel and Randle are likely busts.


Do fans like you get entertainment out of labeling our young players busts after summer league game and without even much real seasons under their belts? You sound like a joke.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:09 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:24 pm    Post subject:

Rivershow wrote:
15 wrote:
Nice read. For those without time to read, here is the tldr version:

Russel and Randle are likely busts.


Do fans like you get entertainment out of labeling our young players busts after summer league game and without even much real seasons under their belts? You sound like a joke.


calm down im just hoping artest's brother reads this, sends the message to happy panda friend, and have him tell kobe that he needs to motivate the rooks more.

it looks like u cant see the big picture behind my post. you gotta expand your mind bruh
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:58 pm    Post subject:

15 wrote:
Rivershow wrote:
15 wrote:
Nice read. For those without time to read, here is the tldr version:

Russel and Randle are likely busts.


Do fans like you get entertainment out of labeling our young players busts after summer league game and without even much real seasons under their belts? You sound like a joke.


calm down im just hoping artest's brother reads this, sends the message to happy panda friend, and have him tell kobe that he needs to motivate the rooks more.

it looks like u cant see the big picture behind my post. you gotta expand your mind bruh


As if Kobe is sitting there with a blindfold on and no understanding of basketball whatsoever. I'd imagine Kobe understands that there is a learning curve to playing in the NBA and that the players can be more motivated than a dog in heat that doesn't mean it will immediately translate to results on the court. It takes time it is a process and they will show everyone why they got drafted where they did. Let's take Jordan Clarkson last season. He was always aggressive and unafraid but it wasnt translating to anything meaningful early on. Then something clicked inside of him that took his game to another level and yet again this year. Do you think a similar process can take place for our rookies? I think alot of people tend to have "first pick blindness" where they see generational talent at the top of a draft and expect every top draft pick to have an impact on the level of a Kobe(who wasn't even a top pick as we all know) or LeBron. Give the guys a season or two before labeling them busts. Some are late bloomers, some figure it out mid season, some figure it out right away, after all they are prospects.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:48 pm    Post subject:

Really liked the analysis here. Great accurate descriptions of what happened throughout the game and I agree with a majority of them. I liked how Randle played in the second half, played a lot more under control after the ugly first half. On the other hand, I really did not like how Jabari Brown was playing. Being aggressive is one thing. I have no problem with him creating for himself, particularly when we have a lineup of Buycks-Brown-Mitchell-Nance-Upshaw where we have no offense whatsoever outside of Jabari. That being said, I have a problem when he looks to shoot every time he catches the ball. I understand the Princeton offense is frustrating, you missed two games, you want to get back in rhythm, but you shouldn't sacrifice the team's goals for your own individual goals. His performance may have kept us in the game, yes, but there were times when he took a shot way too early in the shot clock or pounded the ball four or five times before bricking a jumper. The gun ho personality of Buycks on the offensive end was what really got to me and convinced me he was no good and I'm having serious doubts of whether Brown should even be a rotation player in the NBA even if he's talented offensively. Overall the day off issued by Madsen really set the tone for today's game. These are 19-23 year old kids FFS. The last thing they need is a day off in freaking Las Vegas of all places. They all came out lazy and caused us to trail all game to a hungry Knicks team.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:00 am    Post subject:

tony smith wrote:
And now it has officially begun. So great to have you back DB.

Lakers had Chick. Dodgers have Vin. LG has DB.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:01 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:09 am    Post subject:

Even in SPL, DB you are the best! Thank you!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:31 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB. You are the best. Unfortunately, you picked the worst game to start things off. It was PAINFUL watching last night and I would rather have gotten sheet rock screws in my eyes. We looked HORRIBLE to say the least.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:26 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB I missed these! do you think Nance is a chucker? His worth will plummet if that is the case. Randle appeared somewhat smug today? Not media friendly at all. I feel the most for D lo his body language just appeared like he was seething inside. His face looked like he just lost a championship game, eyes misty and words dead on as far as creating something out of nothing. I feel for this dude because I didn't see any of the coaching staff talking to him or any other players on the closing minutes by his side.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:39 am    Post subject:

Welcome back. I wished it were a smiley icon at the end
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:20 am    Post subject:

Personally I just do not see the "IT" factor with Russell or Randle. Anyone can have a bad game but just not seeing how these two guys are going to help bring the Lakers back to prominence as the main pieces but its early.

Maybe that player is not here yet..
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:52 am    Post subject:

tony smith wrote:
And now it has officially begun. So great to have you back DB.

Lakers had Chick. Dodgers have Vin. LG has DB.


This
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:02 am    Post subject:

Nice. Was waiting for this thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:44 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

Normally I'd translate "Day off" in Vegas to "Massive hangovers", but then I remember many of these kids aren't legal drinking age yet.

Maybe it's Scott's version of the Princeton offense that's giving them nausea, headaches, dry mouth and vomiting?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:10 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the recap DB. Very appreciative of the effort you've taken to bring news of the Summer game action to LG !

I think this team has so many new pieces that it will just take a bit to sort it all out. There are reasons for last night's cluster flock: a new point guard, a new off-guard who played the point last year, and Kobe's not being in the mix at the moment. Can't tell much about their future except by what the games reveal to us, one by one.
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