Is this team worse then last years team?

greenfrog · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:22 am Post subject:

25 wins.

I'm interested to see what the Vegas line will be.

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greenfrog · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:55 am Post subject:

LA_Lakers_Rule · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:57 pm Post subject:

LA_Lakers_Rule · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:59 pm Post subject:

A reasonably healthy team = no less than 35 wins
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lakerjoshua · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:00 pm Post subject:

They will be for sure more fun to watch so that makes them a better team.

textbook · Star Player Joined: 27 Mar 2015 Posts: 2181

price/Lin vs. Dlo/clarkson
Ellington/Clark vs. Clarkson/Williams
Johnson/Young vs. Kobe/Young
Boozer/Davis vs. Bass/Randle
Hill/Sacre vs. Hibbert/Black

IN: Russell, Kobe, Williams, Bass, Hibbert, Randle, Brown, Nance, Upshaw*

OUT: Lin, Price, Ellington, Johnson, Hill, Davis.

Yeah, I think we got a little better.

LA_Lakers_Rule · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:50 pm Post subject:

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Liam_x7 · Star Player Joined: 20 Feb 2013 Posts: 1055

Be lucky to win 30 games with this Roster seriously.

Russell is a rookie and didnt do anything remotely worth anything at the summer league, Clarkson is a nice piece but you need way more to compete in the west, Kobe at the 3 is going to be a complete train wreck IMO, He'l get his shots but that wont amount to Wins, look at last season, Randle + Hibbert wont give you offense at all IMO, Thats a bottom 5 starting team IMO, Absolute garbage, Plus a coach who doesn't believe in 3 point shots

Young + Williams are the only notable names worth mentioning off the bench, Decent players if played in the right system which is run and gun again something our garbage coach doesn't believe in. There's absolutley no chance we make the playoffs. Look at last seasons starting 5 compared with this, Lin, Kobe, Wes, Boozer + Hill, You would think that Lin, Kobe and Boozer would all average close 60 points between them, I mean Lin + Boozer should have been getting 15 a game each.

This Roster is a shambles look back to 2005 with a prime Kobe and decent pieces in Butler and Lamar still only won 34 games and that was a respectable Roster IMO

This Roster wont win 35 games no way in hell
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waterman40 · Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:45 pm Post subject:

A lot of it depends on health, especially Kobe plays anywhere close to a full year and Hibbert is healthy, we are a 35-45 win team.

Hibbert over Davis

Bass over very old Boozer

Lou Williams over Wesley Johnson

Healthier Kobe vs. last year Kobe

Clarkson = Clarkson

Russell over Lin, at least in the long term

We improved virtually everywhere, and this allows us to bring in Randle slowly, which long term is a big plus for him. We did really good for not landing a big free agent. Of course we are going to try and play Clarkson-Russell a lot, and this will likely cost us some games in the learning phase, but should pay off in the following year.

We are not making the playoffs, but we should be better than last year. That's about all you can ask for.

venturalakersfan · Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:11 am Post subject:

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Expected value for total wins: 35
Equates to slightly worse than the Suns last season.

40 wins or more ~ 10% chance

30 wins or less ~ 10% chance

greenfrog · Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:41 am Post subject:

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This is a much better team that can win 35 games. If we added another decent player, preferably a SF, we can maybe get to .500.

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My guess is 33 games, plus or minus about 5 depending on development from our young guys and health. We will probably be at around 9-10 in the lottery

yinoma2001 · Retired Number Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 119487

I'm just happy that the talent level will be better. The talent may not be anywhere near its apex, but it'll be easier to root for guys we know will be here longer than 1 year (DLO, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Brown, Lou Will, etc.).

Last year was a team of mercenaries, and Clarkson was the lone bright star.
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greenfrog · Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:40 pm Post subject:

Ed Davis (last season), or Randle (this season)... which will be better?

Sina · Star Player Joined: 12 Jul 2015 Posts: 1812

Hibbert, Black, Sacre vs Davis, Black, Sacre
Bass, Randle, Nance vs Hill, Boozer, (Randle)
ABrown, Young vs Johnson, Young
Kobe, Clarkson vs (Kobe), Ellington, Lin
Russell, Williams vs Clarkson, Price

Comparing with last year:
C: Basically it's Hibbert vs Davis. Davis is more consistent and reliable. However, hisceiling is a serviceable backup at best. Hibbert was an all star center. Edge: This year. But it really depends on whether Hibbert can return to his all star self
PF: Bass is as good as Hill or Boozer. Randle and Nance are plus. Especially Randle, he could make a difference. Edge: this year. But it really depends on whether Randle can live up to expectation
SF: Basically, Johnson isn't an impact player. And Kobe may move to SF. Edge: This year. But it really depends on if Kobe can stay healthy
SG: If Kobe move to SF, it becomes Clarkson, JBrown vs Lin, Ellington. Last year's Clarkson is like Lin at Knicks' days. Edge: Even.
PG: Given Clarkson's performance, I expect Russell couldn't be better. But Lo is much for Price. Edge: This year.

To sum up, this year should be a team on paper. But it really depends on if Hibbert can recover, If Randle can live up to expectation, if Kobe can stay heathy... Obviously, this year's team have a higher ceiling.

However, when comparing with other western conference teams, I don't think we've edge over Utah, Kings, Timberwolves etc. 30-40 wins is likely and making playoff should be consider overachieve.

ice_cold · Starting Rotation Joined: 22 Jul 2014 Posts: 483

You have to hand it to OP he got some interesting discussion going on a slow week.

I really enjoyed all observations - especially 24's - about how this roster is more talented and better on many objective indicia.

I just wanted to say something about the separate question of how well they will fare this year. Like last year there will be a whole lotta new faces. Plus the important of those new players will be rookies.

The Thunder (as Seattle Supersonics) drafted Kevin Durant in 2007. How many games did they win in 2007-2008 season? 20.

In 2008, they drafted Russell Westbrook. How many games did they win that season? 23.

In 2009, they drafted James Harden. Finally they made the playoffs. They won 50 games - most in second half of sas

ice_cold · Starting Rotation Joined: 22 Jul 2014 Posts: 483

. season. But Thunder were bounced in the first round of playoffs in 2010. You might remember that - they lost to the Lakers.

n the 2010-2011 season OKC had 55 wins. They were dominant and reached Western Conference Finals. after that season they never looked back.

What does this history say about the Lakers' chances this year?
We shouldn't expect too much.

A good year might involve a really bad record but a lot of playing time for youngsters

I know I know /Lakers this year are a lot better than Thunder were the first two seasons they had Durant . . (We have Hibbert!). But still. It would be good to temper expectations

And just enjoy the development of Clarky, Julius, and the one they call Brown Sugar - D Lo - and I like to call the anointed one. Lakers are blessed to have such a great crop of rookies - let's just give them some space and time to grow

ice_cold · Starting Rotation Joined: 22 Jul 2014 Posts: 483

Small correction- in 2008 Thunder drafted both Westbrook AND Ibaka. They already had Durant. Think about that - they had these 3 players and were only able to win 23 games.

ice_cold · Starting Rotation Joined: 22 Jul 2014 Posts: 483

I also forget for these first three years they also had Jeff Green - when he was playing really well. Good enough to make NBA All-Rookie First Team along with Durant