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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum as a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | One consideration. If we miss out on the big names what about trading for Channing Frye with cap space. Iirc around 7m for 2 years. Could stretch the floor and be a decent backup center. |
why would the magic do it? |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | One consideration. If we miss out on the big names what about trading for Channing Frye with cap space. Iirc around 7m for 2 years. Could stretch the floor and be a decent backup center. |
why would the magic do it? |
Cap space. Need to sign Payton, oladipo, Gordon down the road. Have a glut of PF/Cs.
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| 22 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum as a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
I like Barnes a lot. He's improved year after year and I don't think he's done improving.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | One consideration. If we miss out on the big names what about trading for Channing Frye with cap space. Iirc around 7m for 2 years. Could stretch the floor and be a decent backup center. |
why would the magic do it? |
Cap space. Need to sign Payton, oladipo, Gordon down the road. Have a glut of PF/Cs. |
long time for that. they dont need to worry about it next summer. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum as a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
I like Barnes a lot. He's improved year after year and I don't think he's done improving. |
I have a hard time seeing GSW letting Barnes go. They will pay him the max or close to it like Draymond. I think our best chance is Batum. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | One consideration. If we miss out on the big names what about trading for Channing Frye with cap space. Iirc around 7m for 2 years. Could stretch the floor and be a decent backup center. |
why would the magic do it? |
Cap space. Need to sign Payton, oladipo, Gordon down the road. Have a glut of PF/Cs. |
long time for that. they dont need to worry about it next summer. |
Which is why it's a consideration.
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| Rivershow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum kas a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
I like Barnes a lot. He's improved year after year and I don't think he's done improving. |
I have a hard time seeing GSW letting Barnes go. They will pay him the max or close to it like Draymond. I think our best chance is Batum. |
I do wonder if they would want a team to take Iggy off their hands in 2016
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | One consideration. If we miss out on the big names what about trading for Channing Frye with cap space. Iirc around 7m for 2 years. Could stretch the floor and be a decent backup center. |
why would the magic do it? |
Cap space. Need to sign Payton, oladipo, Gordon down the road. Have a glut of PF/Cs. |
long time for that. they dont need to worry about it next summer. |
Which is why it's a consideration. |
lol
D' Russell: I am definitely going to take that into consideration
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum kas a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
I like Barnes a lot. He's improved year after year and I don't think he's done improving. |
I have a hard time seeing GSW letting Barnes go. They will pay him the max or close to it like Draymond. I think our best chance is Batum. |
I do wonder if they would want a team to take Iggy off their hands in 2016 |
That's def possible. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum kas a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
I like Barnes a lot. He's improved year after year and I don't think he's done improving. |
I have a hard time seeing GSW letting Barnes go. They will pay him the max or close to it like Draymond. I think our best chance is Batum. |
I do wonder if they would want a team to take Iggy off their hands in 2016 |
no idea why they would trade a then 32yr old defensive stopper who comes off the bench.
his value is in the playoffs where they can ramp up his mins |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum kas a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
I like Barnes a lot. He's improved year after year and I don't think he's done improving. |
I have a hard time seeing GSW letting Barnes go. They will pay him the max or close to it like Draymond. I think our best chance is Batum. |
I do wonder if they would want a team to take Iggy off their hands in 2016 |
no idea why they would trade a then 32yr old defensive stopper who comes off the bench.
his value is in the playoffs where they can ramp up his mins |
Will have to pay for Barnes and Ezeli. May be chasing Durant.
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With what Iggy did in the Finals, I could dream of Kobe coming off the bench as a 6th man and step up his game at clutch moments.  |
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| yuurin98 wrote: | | With what Iggy did in the Finals, I could dream of Kobe coming off the bench as a 6th man and step up his game at clutch moments. |
 Keep dreaming. Iggy would be our best player he proved to be very special and should be special again this coming season if GS can keep his min. down, what an asset.
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If we miss out on the big names, it'll be quite a task for Mitch to use the $60m. It sounds easy to say that we should use it on a max player, a placeholder, Clarkson, b/c again, the market will be flooded with newfound cap space for nearly 3/4th of the NBA.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | With a healthy wrist I pretty much guarantee he will improve shooting the ball. |
I'm sure. Even with his injured wrist last year his TS% wasn't bad.
It's not his efficiency that gives me reservations. It's his low usage.
I don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a role player. Even if they are a great shooter. |
JMO but I think you are focusing too much on Batum kas a scorer. His value on the court is as a complete player, not a scorer.
Plays xlnt defense, passes and rebounds well for his position. A consistent all-around play is more valuable then a scorer IMO. Lakers have some offensive players, now its time to think about improving the perimeter defense. Lakers will be lucky if they can get Batum for $20M a year. |
Honestly if he returns to form he's exactly the kind of player you want next to Clarkson, Russell, Randle. He or Barnes fit perfectly |
I like Barnes a lot. He's improved year after year and I don't think he's done improving. |
I have a hard time seeing GSW letting Barnes go. They will pay him the max or close to it like Draymond. I think our best chance is Batum. |
I do wonder if they would want a team to take Iggy off their hands in 2016 |
no idea why they would trade a then 32yr old defensive stopper who comes off the bench.
his value is in the playoffs where they can ramp up his mins |
Will have to pay for Barnes and Ezeli. May be chasing Durant. |
I dont think they r getting rid of Finals MVP to pay Ezeli |
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You may think so, but if that would free up cap space for the Warriors to chase say Durant, Horford, are you going to keep a 32 y.o. just b/c he was the Finals MVP 2 seasons prior? It's a business decision and that 11-12m in 2016 may be the difference (plus they have to pay Barnes, Ezeli, have 5-6m option for Livingston, Klay's contract kicks in as well as Draymond's this season).
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | If we miss out on the big names, it'll be quite a task for Mitch to use the $60m. It sounds easy to say that we should use it on a max player, a placeholder, Clarkson, b/c again, the market will be flooded with newfound cap space for nearly 3/4th of the NBA. |
Even though wings such as MKG, Chandler and Gallinari might not have been highly sought by the Lakers in Summer 2016; having them extended - locked up by their current teams will lower the number of available FA wings and likely drive up salaries higher than some here are expecting. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | You may think so, but if that would free up cap space for the Warriors to chase say Durant, Horford, are you going to keep a 32 y.o. just b/c he was the Finals MVP 2 seasons prior? It's a business decision and that 11-12m in 2016 may be the difference (plus they have to pay Barnes, Ezeli, have 5-6m option for Livingston, Klay's contract kicks in as well as Draymond's this season). |
Yes cause they know they will meet Lebron every yr in the finals if they make it.
They will let go ezeli, livingston before they think of letting go Iggy |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | You may think so, but if that would free up cap space for the Warriors to chase say Durant, Horford, are you going to keep a 32 y.o. just b/c he was the Finals MVP 2 seasons prior? It's a business decision and that 11-12m in 2016 may be the difference (plus they have to pay Barnes, Ezeli, have 5-6m option for Livingston, Klay's contract kicks in as well as Draymond's this season). |
Yes cause they know they will meet Lebron every yr in the finals if they make it.
They will let go ezeli, livingston before they think of letting go Iggy |
Even if they do, with Klay + Draymond's extensions kicking in, and rumors that Warriors may be trying to get in the Durant sweepstakes, they may be in a situation where they have to unload Iggy. That'll be in 2016, not this season, so if they meet the Cavs again, he'll still be around.
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Interesting tidbit on DRoz:
| Quote: | | DeRozan tore a tendon in his left leg in November and though he missed 17 games the injury really seemed to play havoc with the first 4 months of his season. He bottomed out in February when he shot 33.9% from the field and 12.5% from the 3 point line in 11 games....but the good news is that DeRozan recovered and in Toronto's final 22 games averaged 24.0 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 4.3 assists, shooting 45.5%... |
Sean Deveny from Sporting News.
That explains his putrid numbers a bit more. But I think he's around a 24/5/4 player when he's hitting on all cylinders. I still think if we miss on Durant, he will be someone the team takes a look at, assuming the price is right (i.e. no max...Jim99187).
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Interesting tidbit on DRoz:
| Quote: | | DeRozan tore a tendon in his left leg in November and though he missed 17 games the injury really seemed to play havoc with the first 4 months of his season. He bottomed out in February when he shot 33.9% from the field and 12.5% from the 3 point line in 11 games....but the good news is that DeRozan recovered and in Toronto's final 22 games averaged 24.0 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 4.3 assists, shooting 45.5%... |
Sean Deveny from Sporting News.
That explains his putrid numbers a bit more. But I think he's around a 24/5/4 player when he's hitting on all cylinders. I still think if we miss on Durant, he will be someone the team takes a look at, assuming the price is right (i.e. no max...Jim99187). |
I'd pay him 20-22 mill a year. He's a top 10 SG in the league. Lead his team to the playoffs 2 seasons ago, and still dropped 20 PPG last year when hurt.
If it weren't for Lou Williams, he would've led the team in scoring last year as well.
He played all-NBA 2nd team Klay Thompson even this summer during the U.S. Bball exhibition game.
I think he can be more efficient if he isn't asked to be the number 1 option.
But if we got him, he probably would have to assume that role.
Doubt we can sign someone better than him in that department.
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Interesting tidbit on DRoz:
| Quote: | | DeRozan tore a tendon in his left leg in November and though he missed 17 games the injury really seemed to play havoc with the first 4 months of his season. He bottomed out in February when he shot 33.9% from the field and 12.5% from the 3 point line in 11 games....but the good news is that DeRozan recovered and in Toronto's final 22 games averaged 24.0 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 4.3 assists, shooting 45.5%... |
Sean Deveny from Sporting News.
That explains his putrid numbers a bit more. But I think he's around a 24/5/4 player when he's hitting on all cylinders. I still think if we miss on Durant, he will be someone the team takes a look at, assuming the price is right (i.e. no max...Jim99187). |
I'd pay him 20-22 mill a year. He's a top 10 SG in the league. Lead his team to the playoffs 2 seasons ago, and still dropped 20 PPG last year when hurt.
If it weren't for Lou Williams, he would've led the team in scoring last year as well.
He played all-NBA 2nd team Klay Thompson even this summer during the U.S. Bball exhibition game. |
In my original post, I had Batum as the most likely target. But I wouldn't oppose DRoz at all if both sides reached a reasonable number. Bear in mind he's making around 9m now so he could easily get double that, perhaps more elsewhere.
I get the arguments against him, the fact that another team may pay him more, but in the situation where both parties arrive at a reasonable number, I'm not opposed to him.
BTW, Sean Deveny had him as the 4th best SG for this upcoming season.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Interesting tidbit on DRoz:
| Quote: | | DeRozan tore a tendon in his left leg in November and though he missed 17 games the injury really seemed to play havoc with the first 4 months of his season. He bottomed out in February when he shot 33.9% from the field and 12.5% from the 3 point line in 11 games....but the good news is that DeRozan recovered and in Toronto's final 22 games averaged 24.0 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 4.3 assists, shooting 45.5%... |
Sean Deveny from Sporting News.
That explains his putrid numbers a bit more. But I think he's around a 24/5/4 player when he's hitting on all cylinders. I still think if we miss on Durant, he will be someone the team takes a look at, assuming the price is right (i.e. no max...Jim99187). |
I'd pay him 20-22 mill a year. He's a top 10 SG in the league. Lead his team to the playoffs 2 seasons ago, and still dropped 20 PPG last year when hurt.
If it weren't for Lou Williams, he would've led the team in scoring last year as well.
He played all-NBA 2nd team Klay Thompson even this summer during the U.S. Bball exhibition game. |
In my original post, I had Batum as the most likely target. But I wouldn't oppose DRoz at all if both sides reached a reasonable number. Bear in mind he's making around 9m now so he could easily get double that, perhaps more elsewhere.
I get the arguments against him, the fact that another team may pay him more, but in the situation where both parties arrive at a reasonable number, I'm not opposed to him.
BTW, Sean Deveny had him as the 4th best SG for this upcoming season. |
He didn't shoot well against the Wizards in the playoffs. Idk about giving him 20 million. |
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