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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 7:57 pm    Post subject:

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SAS calling Toronto pathetic and horrific... can't argue with that...
what woman beater did sas sympathize with? He is a joke and the fact bspn still employs him is a joke.


Dont forget race baiter.... SAS makes everything about race... they can ask him about landing on Jupiter and he will somehow make it about race.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 7:59 pm    Post subject:

So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.
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So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:09 pm    Post subject:

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So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.


Without commenting on the value of these two, the Lakers can always sign some players to short term deals that continue to give them cap flexibility in 2017 and 2018.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:12 pm    Post subject:

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So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


I think Biyombo is an one way hustle role player and should be paid like one, but DeRoz is a good player that needs proper space to operate. He had good games before and I really don't believe Dlo or JC could have done a lot of damage against Cleveland. He is a clear upgrade over our guard crop at this stage of their development.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:26 pm    Post subject:

I think free agency this year is only 7 days. July 1st to July 8th.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:30 pm    Post subject:

markjay wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
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So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.


Without commenting on the value of these two, the Lakers can always sign some players to short term deals that continue to give them cap flexibility in 2017 and 2018.


aka tanking
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:52 pm    Post subject:

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So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.


KD and bron?

Ingram or Simmons/Dudley at 9 mill
Randle/nance/Thon Maker 2 mill after we buy a mid 1st and deal Lou
Whiteside/Leuer at( 8 mill)/Black
Deroz/Affalo (at 10 mill)/Brown...
DLO/D.Murray or Kay felder with 32nd pick

About 92 mill... With Affalo a 1 year deal, leaving 28 mill or so for Westbrook in 17"?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:27 pm    Post subject:

fontana3d wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.


Giving the max to DD, 15 million to BB, an MLE-ish deal to Black or Bass, and matching an offer sheet for JC gets them to the minimum and preserves enough space for Westbrook next year.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:36 pm    Post subject:

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I think free agency this year is only 7 days. July 1st to July 8th.

You're referring to the signing moratorium. Free agency lasts all summer long (and all season as well).
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How much more can Toronto pay Derozan than the rest of the league?


Toronto can offer him a 5-year deal with a first-year salary of $25.9MM and 7.5% annual raises. Other teams can offer him a 4-year deal with a first-year salary of $25.9MM and 4.5% annual raises.


Holy bleep. Thank you for that info. Less confident about singing him now.


He will have an opt out after year 3 no matter where he signs and he will use it to get another new contract. So what Chickenstu posted is technically correct, but barring injury, he won't see years 4 and 5.


Haha yeah. You must have missed my post 4 minutes after the one you see above...

"The extra year really isn't as important as it may appear, though. Almost all players that sign max deals now have opt-out clauses before the end of the deal anyway. It only would really apply in the event of a catastrophic injury to a guy. The annual raises help a little bit but it's not like it's earth-shattering. Besides, I honestly believe that the biggest factor, if we sign DeRozan, will be that he wants to be closer to his mother, not necessarily that it would mark a return to LA."
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:22 pm    Post subject:

FreakofNature wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.


KD and bron?

Ingram or Simmons/Dudley at 9 mill
Randle/nance/Thon Maker 2 mill after we buy a mid 1st and deal Lou
Whiteside/Leuer at( 8 mill)/Black
Deroz/Affalo (at 10 mill)/Brown...
DLO/D.Murray or Kay felder with 32nd pick

About 92 mill... With Affalo a 1 year deal, leaving 28 mill or so for Westbrook in 17"?




Tankaton ranked the teams based on the draft picks that they currently have.


Draft Power Rankings

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Boston -- 3, 16, 23, 31, 35, 45, 53, 58
Phoenix -- 4, 13, 28, 34
Denver -- 7, 15, 19, 51, 56
Philadelphia -- 1, 24, 26
Los Angeles Lakers -- 2, 32
New Orleans -- 6, 38, 40
Milwaukee -- 10, 36, 39
Toronto -- 9, 27
Minnesota -- 5
Orlando -- 11, 41, 47
Sacramento -- 8, 59
Utah -- 12, 42, 52, 60
Chicago -- 14, 48
Atlanta -- 21, 44, 52
Detroit -- 18, 49
Memphis -- 17, 57
Clippers -- 25, 33
Pacers -- 20, 50
Charlotte -- 22
Houston -- 37, 43
San Antonio -- 29
Golden State -- 30
Dallas -- 46
Brooklyn -- 55
Cleveland
Miami
New York
Oklahoma City
Portland
Washington




There are multiple teams that currently have zero draft picks and several more that don't have a first round pick.


The amount of Cash that can be included in a trade is fixed, so Mitch couldn't outbid other teams.

97. Can cash be included as part of a trade package?

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Players can be traded for cash, and cash can be included in trade packages. The amount of cash a team can pay or receive per season is limited to the "Maximum Annual Cash Limit," as shown below:

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Season         Amount
2011-12            $3.0 million
2012-13            $3.1 million
2013-14            $3.2 million
2014-15            $3.3 million
2015-16            $3.4 million
2016-17            $3.5 million
2017-18            $3.6 million
2018-19            $3.7 million
2019-20            $3.8 million
2020-21            $3.9 million




If a first round pick became available for sale, how would Mitch be able to get to the front of the line of potential buyers?
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 12:08 am    Post subject:

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I think free agency this year is only 7 days. July 1st to July 8th.

You're referring to the signing moratorium. Free agency lasts all summer long (and all season as well).


So we will have Russell, Clarkson, Lou, Derozan and then WB ? WB wouldn't come here. We would have to get rid of 2 of them IMO.

Can possiblly trade Russell and Lou and get a solid big.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 2:05 am    Post subject:

If we can get rid of swaggy or Lou, would u guys want rondo to come off the bench as the first guard for around $12m/yr? I think he gets higher than the 9.5m he got from sac
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 2:22 am    Post subject:

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fontana3d wrote:
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So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.


Without commenting on the value of these two, the Lakers can always sign some players to short term deals that continue to give them cap flexibility in 2017 and 2018.


I agree. I would hate to be pigeon holed and tied long term to contracts that are bad. We can keep our cap flexibility while still significantly improving (not hard to do) our team and developing the pups. There are solid vets that are out there as well as guys we can get for bargains if we help other teams make their moves. Not saying this is the best avenue, but we may not have a choice. I think we all have different opinions about who we should max out if given the opportunity. My list of the unrestricted FA's who we should max out is short: KD, Conley, Horford, and maybe Whiteside. Again, I am not saying I'm right.

107 million for DeRozan over 4 years is scary. Signing Biyombo may even be scarier either though he would cost less. At least DeRozan is a proven commodity. Biyombo is a crap shoot.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:42 am    Post subject:

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fontana3d wrote:
FreakofNature wrote:
So 45 to 50 mill per for two guys combined gets you 7 points, 4 boards and 1 block from Biyombo, and 2-8 from the field with 0 3pt attempts from deroz?

Bad joke aside, they showed quite a bit thus far, just one of those off rotten games. As we all have to look at what they have done throughout the season and playoffs.


The problem is the Lakers need to spend 90 percent of their cap so got any ideas.


Without commenting on the value of these two, the Lakers can always sign some players to short term deals that continue to give them cap flexibility in 2017 and 2018.


I agree. I would hate to be pigeon holed and tied long term to contracts that are bad. We can keep our cap flexibility while still significantly improving (not hard to do) our team and developing the pups. There are solid vets that are out there as well as guys we can get for bargains if we help other teams make their moves. Not saying this is the best avenue, but we may not have a choice. I think we all have different opinions about who we should max out if given the opportunity. My list of the unrestricted FA's who we should max out is short: KD, Conley, Horford, and maybe Whiteside. Again, I am not saying I'm right.

107 million for DeRozan over 4 years is scary. Signing Biyombo may even be scarier either though he would cost less. At least DeRozan is a proven commodity. Biyombo is a crap shoot.



Really two avenues to choose from. Even take both in a limited way.

Obviously the deroz/Whiteside/Biyombo/Horford etc, avenue. KD of course if at all possible, etc,etc....

Another way is to load up on two year deals with guys like Dudley, Leuer, Solomon Hill, resign Clarkson. Have these guys "compliment" the future hopes Simmons or Ingram/randle and DLO. Have the cap space for Westbrook all set for 17'. Then in two years when PG-13 becomes a FA, these 2 year deal players come off of the book, and we have the cap space for PG-13....

Problem is you are banking on RW and PG-13. All in for that dream. Plus getting a couple bigger names like Deroz and Whiteside may lure in RW for example...

Anyways...

Then in 18' we are set with Westbrook/PG-13/Simmons or Ingram/Randle and DLO. nance and Clarkson along with the 32nd pick, and another 5 players that fit within the system, that compliment the 5 main stars.

That would be quite the team. But I bet the lakers are going for the big splash, even if KD is not part of the Summer signings...
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 5:26 am    Post subject:

Bismack Biyombo has NBA execs talking $17 million a year — but not max, yet

Lakers & Celtics are expected to be suitors.

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Bismack Biyombo’s postseason surge won’t be enough to push him to a full max-contract when he opts out of his current deal this summer—probably not, at least. But he’s certainly made the prospect of re-signing him a difficult one for the Raptors, and has earned himself a sizable payday.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/bismack-biyombo-toronto-raptors-2016-free-agency-los-angeles-lakers-boston-celtics-chicago-bulls-houston-rockets/gmhq185wbjpw15rmhj6cdwdiz
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 5:33 am    Post subject:

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Bismack Biyombo has NBA execs talking $17 million a year — but not max, yet

Lakers & Celtics are expected to be suitors.

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Bismack Biyombo’s postseason surge won’t be enough to push him to a full max-contract when he opts out of his current deal this summer—probably not, at least. But he’s certainly made the prospect of re-signing him a difficult one for the Raptors, and has earned himself a sizable payday.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/bismack-biyombo-toronto-raptors-2016-free-agency-los-angeles-lakers-boston-celtics-chicago-bulls-houston-rockets/gmhq185wbjpw15rmhj6cdwdiz


17 million per for 3 years with the 3rd year being a team option is a good deal.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 5:37 am    Post subject:

It is factually untrue that we need to spend 50 mil. We can simply write a check to the league for that amount (or however much the difference between what we spend and the minimum cap is). Yes that would be tanking and no I don't think we should tank.

The solution is to snag some guys on shorter term deals rather than throw max contracts at guys who CAN'T EVEN CATCH THE DAMN BALL.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 5:47 am    Post subject:

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It is factually untrue that we need to spend 50 mil. We can simply write a check to the league for that amount (or however much the difference between what we spend and the minimum cap is). Yes that would be tanking and no I don't think we should tank.

The solution is to snag some guys on shorter term deals rather than throw max contracts at guys who CAN'T EVEN CATCH THE DAMN BALL.


The problem with that is if you are a marquee FA (2017) and you see the Lakers being stingy with their purse and rather not spend it instead of taking a chance at a FA(s) this summer, the optic doesn't look good.
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Bismack Biyombo has NBA execs talking $17 million a year — but not max, yet

Lakers & Celtics are expected to be suitors.

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Bismack Biyombo’s postseason surge won’t be enough to push him to a full max-contract when he opts out of his current deal this summer—probably not, at least. But he’s certainly made the prospect of re-signing him a difficult one for the Raptors, and has earned himself a sizable payday.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/bismack-biyombo-toronto-raptors-2016-free-agency-los-angeles-lakers-boston-celtics-chicago-bulls-houston-rockets/gmhq185wbjpw15rmhj6cdwdiz


17 million per for 3 years with the 3rd year being a team option is a good deal.


That would be a good deal for Bismack Biyombo.

However my gut feeing is that BB has found a home with the Raptors and will stay put.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 5:54 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
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pio2u wrote:
Bismack Biyombo has NBA execs talking $17 million a year — but not max, yet

Lakers & Celtics are expected to be suitors.

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Bismack Biyombo’s postseason surge won’t be enough to push him to a full max-contract when he opts out of his current deal this summer—probably not, at least. But he’s certainly made the prospect of re-signing him a difficult one for the Raptors, and has earned himself a sizable payday.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/bismack-biyombo-toronto-raptors-2016-free-agency-los-angeles-lakers-boston-celtics-chicago-bulls-houston-rockets/gmhq185wbjpw15rmhj6cdwdiz


17 million per for 3 years with the 3rd year being a team option is a good deal.


That would be a good deal for Bismack Biyombo.

However my gut feeing is that BB has found a home with the Raptors and will stay put.


Raptors don't have enough cap space for both a max Derozan and a max Biyombo (not sure if they do with $17mil/yr). I'm hoping we get Derozan or an equivalent upgrade at the wing
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 6:11 am    Post subject:

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If we can get rid of swaggy or Lou, would u guys want rondo to come off the bench as the first guard for around $12m/yr? I think he gets higher than the 9.5m he got from sac


lol

I don't have Rondo really high on my PG list, but asking him to come off the bench behind Dlo or JC at this stage of their careers would be beyond disrespectful.
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If we can get rid of swaggy or Lou, would u guys want rondo to come off the bench as the first guard for around $12m/yr? I think he gets higher than the 9.5m he got from sac


lol

I don't have Rondo really high on my PG list, but asking him to come off the bench behind Dlo or JC at this stage of their careers would be beyond disrespectful.


If we get Rondo, then he's starting at PG, prob slide DLo to 2 and have him and Rondo run the offense, Clarkson would be the 6th man (no hate on Clarkson, I like him).
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 6:19 am    Post subject:

What do y'all think of possiblly Josh McRoberts as a stretch big ? I can see Miami wanting to trade him. Maybe we can snag a future 1st for him

Or go Young for McRoberts

Or I read in another forum that if Bosh retires and the Heat need a PF and let's say we get Simmons that a Randle for Winslow deal.
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