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yinoma2001
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| loseyourname wrote: | | If this is what constitutes a pipe dream, damn, the Lakers have fallen. We're talking one guy who hasn't even played 82 games in his career yet. Neither of these guys has ever been an all-star. I'd think 'pipe dream' is something like Horford and Durant. If Whiteside and Batum are a pipe dream, then what's realistic? Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson? JR Smith and David Lee? How low do we need to aim here? |
Nah. This isn't a pipe dream. This is the "assuming no KD" lineup.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
You trade a #1 overall pick (when there's an absolute monster on the board) for a guy you can sign outright in a year? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "non-KD" group:
DLO/Shaun Livingston (7m)
JC/Lou
Batum (22m)/Young/Brown
Randle/Nance
Hassan (21)/Black/
10m left in cap space. |
Let's roll with this and call up Upshaw from the D league as 3rd string center  |
I don't mind Lou in theory, but you need a tall PG to pair with him. I'm a big fan of Livingston, and he may have to be cut by the Warriors (non-guaranteed deal in 2016) to pay for barnes/ezeli. Good defender, can guard 3 positions and handle the ball. I like versatile guys. Who thought that Livingston would be considered a "vet" one day. I really like him a lot. |
LOVE the idea of Livingston  |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| loseyourname wrote: | | If this is what constitutes a pipe dream, damn, the Lakers have fallen. We're talking one guy who hasn't even played 82 games in his career yet. Neither of these guys has ever been an all-star. I'd think 'pipe dream' is something like Horford and Durant. If Whiteside and Batum are a pipe dream, then what's realistic? Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson? JR Smith and David Lee? How low do we need to aim here? |
Has little to do with that and MUCH to do with the current CBA. It's time for people to recognize it is hard to acquire marquee players in this day and age. And sometimes it has nothing to do with the Laker brand. |
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| ocho wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
You trade a #1 overall pick (when there's an absolute monster on the board) for a guy you can sign outright in a year? |
Harkening back to my 1L days of law school. I love the Socratic method of posting on this thread. 
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| 22 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My "non-KD" group:
DLO/Shaun Livingston (7m)
JC/Lou
Batum (22m)/Young/Brown
Randle/Nance
Hassan (21)/Black/
10m left in cap space. |
Let's roll with this and call up Upshaw from the D league as 3rd string center |
I don't mind Lou in theory, but you need a tall PG to pair with him. I'm a big fan of Livingston, and he may have to be cut by the Warriors (non-guaranteed deal in 2016) to pay for barnes/ezeli. Good defender, can guard 3 positions and handle the ball. I like versatile guys. Who thought that Livingston would be considered a "vet" one day. I really like him a lot. |
LOVE the idea of Livingston |
Livingston or Chalmers would be my choices at backup PGs.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:33 am Post subject: |
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At the SF spot, Evan Fournier is also someone I'm keeping an eye on.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Going after Whiteside is a dream as well. He's in south beach and the Heat will be a top 3 seed. Riley won't let him leave. |
+ no income tax in Florida |
Which, as has been shown, means little.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
You trade a #1 overall pick (when there's an absolute monster on the board) for a guy you can sign outright in a year? |
Harkening back to my 1L days of law school. I love the Socratic method of posting on this thread. |
Yeah, explain the rule against perpetuities and the destructibility of the contingent remainder. I miss real property.
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| ocho wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
You trade a #1 overall pick (when there's an absolute monster on the board) for a guy you can sign outright in a year? |
Yes
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| LakersForever123 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
You trade a #1 overall pick (when there's an absolute monster on the board) for a guy you can sign outright in a year? |
Harkening back to my 1L days of law school. I love the Socratic method of posting on this thread. |
Yeah, explain the rule against perpetuities and the destructibility of the contingent remainder. I miss real property. |
I still have no idea how "R.A.P" works...
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
You trade a #1 overall pick (when there's an absolute monster on the board) for a guy you can sign outright in a year? |
Yes |
I think that's a huge mistake. Admittedly not as sold on Westbrook as most people. |
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I am not sure how one isn't sold on a top 10 player, but besides that, having a star trumps having a guy who might be a star in 4-5 years. Keep all your youngsters and we are looking at being competitive in that time period. Trading one or two for stars quickens that pace.
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | If we land the #1 pick, what about offering it for Westbrook and then moving Clarkson and change for a center? |
The only player I'd trade the #1 pick for is Drummond. Other then that I'd keep it. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I am not sure how one isn't sold on a top 10 player, but besides that, having a star trumps having a guy who might be a star in 4-5 years. Keep all your youngsters and we are looking at being competitive in that time period. Trading one or two for stars quickens that pace. |
If Westbrook wants to be a Laker, sign him in a year and keep the #1 pick. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Going after Whiteside is a dream as well. He's in south beach and the Heat will be a top 3 seed. Riley won't let him leave. |
Well Riley can't do more than offer him a contract, same as every other team in the league. |
And it's limited to 4 years with the lower raises. They don't have full bird rights so will have to use cap space. I still expect him to stay. Miami at the max with a decent roster in the weaker conference.
On the flip side, if he did choose to come to LA, it would say a lot about him. |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Going after Whiteside is a dream as well. He's in south beach and the Heat will be a top 3 seed. Riley won't let him leave. |
Well Riley can't do more than offer him a contract, same as every other team in the league. |
And it's limited to 4 years with the lower raises. They don't have full bird rights so will have to use cap space. I still expect him to stay. Miami at the max with a decent roster in the weaker conference.
On the flip side, if he did choose to come to LA, it would say a lot about him. |
Yup.
But bear in mind, the core in Miami over the next 4 years is ugly. Dragic (30 next year, youngest), Wade (34 next year), Bosh (32 next year). So while he enters his prime, the 3 highest players on the team are way past it.
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That would be the sales pitch, in LA he would have other young guns to run with.
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| try to get Dieng from Minny at deadline. he has the potential. he has shown it playing alongside Love. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | try to get Dieng from Minny at deadline. he has the potential. he has shown it playing alongside Love. |
What do we have that would entice them to give up a big man on a rookie deal?
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| Wait I thought Miami could offer Hassan an extra year but no max? |
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| tj24 wrote: | | Wait I thought Miami could offer Hassan an extra year but no max? |
No. They don't have full bird rights.
IIRC, the same 4 years, 4.5% raises as we could offer. And if they give him that, then they likely don't have enough cap space to go after another max player (and I'm not sure they're just going to dump Wade).
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Going after Whiteside is a dream as well. He's in south beach and the Heat will be a top 3 seed. Riley won't let him leave. |
+ no income tax in Florida |
Well hot damn, let's just give up already. |
At least we got Sacre worst case scenario.
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| How much can Kobe make with a max contract at this point? I'm assuming his rights are grandfathered in. |
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