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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 5m5 minutes ago
RFA Moe Harkless has agreed to a four-year, $40M-plus deal to re-sign with the Portland Trail Blazers, league sources tell The Vertical. |
Yay! |
I doubt the Lakers were interested. |
and yet Mike B reported the lakers were interested in him |
At beginning of FA. Signing of Deng likely changed things. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| is he talking about Mike Bresnahan ?? I find this Laker "Insider" gets his information from reading other "insiders" tweets, so I would take that with a grain of salt |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Good for Harkless. |
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| AY2043 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Cochese wrote: | We'd pretty much have to gut our team to trade for Cousins. i don't think the Kings will trade him unless he asks for a trade or if they can somehow get a guy like Westbrook in exchange.
Tbh, nobody really knows what the Kings are doing. They just drafted two more centers. |
There doesn't seem to be a plan there. Cousins is their best player, and while I don't visit any Kings boards, I would assume he is their most popular player. At his contract I don't see them trading him. I believe that they would let him walk rather than dealing him. |
Well that depends. Judging from all the signals he's sending, there's not a chance in hell that he re-signs when his contract is up. And like Yinoma says, his trade value goes down as his contract gets closer to expiring. The Kings haven't gotten out of the lottery for his entire career, and they don't seem to have the assets to get any pieces in a trade that would push them over the edge, and their reputation precludes them from signing any FA's of significance.
IMO, they'd be better off trading him now for a solid return than they would be waiting for the last year of his contract, and certainly better off than if they let him walk.. |
They're caught up in making a big splash in the new arena this season, but are harming themselves by not resolving the Gay and Cousins issues asap - as you mention, the Kings lose more and more leverage in trades the closer they get to summer 2017.
On top of everything else, Vlade stupidly gave an unprotected 2019 1st to Philly to dump cap space last summer. If the Kings panic trade Cousins next year or let him walk in 2018, they'll be looking at losing a likely top-5 pick in 2019 for a Rondo rental. They need to move on from Cousins desperately. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 5m5 minutes ago
RFA Moe Harkless has agreed to a four-year, $40M-plus deal to re-sign with the Portland Trail Blazers, league sources tell The Vertical. |
Yay! |
I doubt the Lakers were interested. |
and yet Mike B reported the lakers were interested in him |
Did he? I wonder if it was the RFA status that kept them from making an offer?
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| gumby wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | i think with Nance's recent play I would like to see what we can get for Randle |
The FO would rather see what they have in guys like Randle, DLO and Ingram rather than overreacting to one good summer league game and trading someone. |
STOP. stop with the freaking snarky comments every post. like yinomes says go eat a snicker.
so tired of you looking down on every other poster. |
He may be snarky at times, but the real question is, is he wrong in VLF's quote?
Why would the Lakers make room for a malcontent when they still don't know what they have yet.
Last time the Lakers made rash decisions, we got some of our previous coaches.
It's a rebuild. It's going to take some time.
Bye. |
The only time I can remember them making a deal sending recently drafted young players was M Gasol and Crittendon for Pau. Only that team was one piece away from contention so it made a lot of sense. With a 17-win team it doesn't make sense to deal the youth unless it is a no-brainer deal.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| gumby wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | i think with Nance's recent play I would like to see what we can get for Randle |
The FO would rather see what they have in guys like Randle, DLO and Ingram rather than overreacting to one good summer league game and trading someone. |
STOP. stop with the freaking snarky comments every post. like yinomes says go eat a snicker.
so tired of you looking down on every other poster. |
He may be snarky at times, but the real question is, is he wrong in VLF's quote?
Why would the Lakers make room for a malcontent when they still don't know what they have yet.
Last time the Lakers made rash decisions, we got some of our previous coaches.
It's a rebuild. It's going to take some time.
Bye. |
the original post in question was made before some pipes of RW + Cousins.
context brother. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | gumby wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | i think with Nance's recent play I would like to see what we can get for Randle |
The FO would rather see what they have in guys like Randle, DLO and Ingram rather than overreacting to one good summer league game and trading someone. |
STOP. stop with the freaking snarky comments every post. like yinomes says go eat a snicker.
so tired of you looking down on every other poster. |
He may be snarky at times, but the real question is, is he wrong in VLF's quote?
Why would the Lakers make room for a malcontent when they still don't know what they have yet.
Last time the Lakers made rash decisions, we got some of our previous coaches.
It's a rebuild. It's going to take some time.
Bye. |
The only time I can remember them making a deal sending recently drafted young players was M Gasol and Crittendon for Pau. Only that team was one piece away from contention so it made a lot of sense. With a 17-win team it doesn't make sense to deal the youth unless it is a no-brainer deal. |
who said deal him? seeing whats his market value is not dealing him in my books. |
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So when will the roster be finalized? Anybody got a timeline? I feel bad for Ingram. Kid is probably still eating ramen noodles and wearing Sears suits since he doesn't have a contract.
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | gumby wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | i think with Nance's recent play I would like to see what we can get for Randle |
The FO would rather see what they have in guys like Randle, DLO and Ingram rather than overreacting to one good summer league game and trading someone. |
STOP. stop with the freaking snarky comments every post. like yinomes says go eat a snicker.
so tired of you looking down on every other poster. |
He may be snarky at times, but the real question is, is he wrong in VLF's quote?
Why would the Lakers make room for a malcontent when they still don't know what they have yet.
Last time the Lakers made rash decisions, we got some of our previous coaches.
It's a rebuild. It's going to take some time.
Bye. |
The only time I can remember them making a deal sending recently drafted young players was M Gasol and Crittendon for Pau. Only that team was one piece away from contention so it made a lot of sense. With a 17-win team it doesn't make sense to deal the youth unless it is a no-brainer deal. |
who said deal him? seeing whats his market value is not dealing him in my books. |
Why bother seeing what his market value is? I know, he's peaked and the player he is now is the one he will likely be for his entire career.
You can see everything about a player after one season in the NBA. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Afrosho wrote: | Too bad Cousins isn't free agent until 2018.
Just imagine a Westbrook-Russell-Ingram-Randle-Cousins lineup, with Clarkson, Lou, Deng, Nance, Mozgov off the bench  |
At best maybe 1 plus defender in the starting 5. And he's currently 18 years old.  |
yinoma, have you looked at Cousins' DRPM , DBPM, and DWS over the past 2-3 seasons? He's actually quite a good, defender, and he would be a push at worst replacing Mozgov. And Westbrook isn't a great defender by any means, but he is so much better on defense than JC it's not even funny. Really the glaringly poor defenders in that lineup are DLo and Randle.
My ideal scenario would be to see the Lakers retain their 2017 pick, move it along with JC, Black (to match salaries), and a 2020 top-10 protected pick to Sac for Cousins, then make a free agency push for Westbrook. They'd maybe have to attach a 2nd round pick to Lou in a trade to make room.
Cousins/Moz(need to be moved later)/Zu
Nance/Randle
Ingram/Deng
Russell/MLE vet/Brown
Westbrook/min vet
They'd need a year to gel and time to move Moz to balance the backcourt, but that would be a hell of an exciting fantastical lineup. |
My problems with Boogie:
1. will cost way more than what you posted to get him. Think at least 1 of Ingram/DLO plus one of JC/Randle, future picks. He has 2 full years IIRC on his contract left so it's not like WB.
2. I don't like the WB/Boogie team dynamics. That's asking for a clash of titans. Two strong willed players who want it their way. |
1. It probably will cost more, and I'd be willing to part with Randle, as well. But in the (currently far-fetched) scenario that Cousins isn't traded until draft night 2017 and the Lakers retain a top-3 pick, then the Kings will have no more leverage than OKC has now with Westbrook; and the Lakers offer could be damn competitive, if not an overpay with JC (likely a 18-20ppg scorer), a potential star in Josh Jackson or Markelle Fultz, Randle coming off what should be a much better year, and a future 1st.
It's a fantasy right now, of course, especially since I can't see Vlade dealing a star player to the Lakers without a massive overpay - we'll call it the "hated rival tax."
2. It would be a challenge for a young coaching staff, but if (big if) they get on the same page, they can both work in this offense: Cousins as a supercharged version of Bogut and Westbrook could hopefully find a synergy with Russell that he had back in the day with Harden. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | So when will the roster be finalized? Anybody got a timeline? I feel bad for Ingram. Kid is probably still eating ramen noodles and wearing Sears suits since he doesn't have a contract. |
His agent and sponsors will take care of him. I am sure he isn't driving a corolla around and I'm pretty sure his accommodations in SoCal are just fine.
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| Are the Lakers really looking to sign JR Smith? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Are the Lakers really looking to sign JR Smith? |
God I hope not |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Are the Lakers really looking to sign JR Smith? |
Did u just make this up? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Are the Lakers really looking to sign JR Smith? |
Did u just make this up? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Are the Lakers really looking to sign JR Smith? |
Did u just make this up? |
It was yesterday's rumor.
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| bonkers wrote: | | http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2016/7/26/12283364/sacramento-kings-rudy-gay-frustration |
He diffinitely seems to have lowered his motivation to get traded. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Is JR Smith the only legit "starter" that is still a UFA? |
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| bonkers wrote: | | http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2016/7/26/12283364/sacramento-kings-rudy-gay-frustration |
Rudy Gay would be a great fit here. He reminds me of Igoudala before he went to GS.
The following is what Gay and pre-GS Iggy have in common:
Used to be the leading scorer on a playoff team. Now has bounced around from team to team. Can still get his shot off when a play breaks down but struggles with efficiency when examining PPP. Has the athleticism and physical dimensions to be a great perimeter defender.
Sure Iggy's ceiling as a perimeter defender was higher. And Gay's a more efficient 3PT shooter than pre-GS Iggy. But the 2 share more similarities than differences IMO. Both guys had mild success as the #1 guy on their teams. But could be super effective if used the right way in a smaller role.
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| adkindo wrote: | | Is JR Smith the only legit "starter" that is still a UFA? |
Would you pay JR Smith with the remaining cap? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Is JR Smith the only legit "starter" that is still a UFA? |
Would you pay JR Smith with the remaining cap? |
no, he is not a good fit for us, and we are not a good fit for him in my opinion. I think everyone knows the best place for him is Cleveland. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Are the Lakers really looking to sign JR Smith? |
Did u just make this up? |
It was yesterday's rumor. |
Ah. Good thing I didnt get to go on LG yesterday. |
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Ingram is not even an all-star, so what Super-Team is the article talking about? And thanks for that link and all those pop-ups. Now I'll have to give my pc a shower, and run my anti spyware software. You put credence to a site where you can click on a link to see the world's top 30 paid porn-stars? |
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