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dcarter4kobe
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
Because winning 29 games means you're closer to succeeding and making progress than making 21 games.
Your wants are misplaced if you EVER utter the words "i'd rather this team win 21 games instead of 29.."
No. You stop caring about the freaking lottery and be happy if they won 29 games, and then be happy the next year when they win 40 games, and so on and so forth. When you stop depending on the "next" top 3 pick to be the magic player that's going to single handedly turn your franchise around then you can start moving forward as a franchise.
Otherwise you get used to and are afraid to leave depravity, cause "one more year".
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We just simply disagree. I think 21 wins and a top 3 draft pick outweighs 29 wins in the medium and long term for the franchise. The NBA is an arms (talent) race, and the most likely place to gain that talent is the draft....or at least the most controllable place. I want to be better than Minnesota, Utah, Denver or any team that is currently accumulating, developing and preparing for the post GSW/CLE NBA. |
Agreed. Especially when you realize the max caliber guys on the free agent market next summer aren't coming. Keep slow building & picking up assets through the draft |
Sure, and maybe ten years from now we might break .500. |
2018. |
But if we aren't in 2018 don't you want to tank and get another pick? |
If we're still a bottom feeder team like we are likely to be now, yes I would hope for a good draft pick any year. In theory though, if we keep our 2017 draft pick, our 2018 pick would go to Philly regardless (no protection)
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dcarter4kobe
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| Bard207 wrote: | | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | The Hunt Brothers of the NBA are at it again only instead of silver, it's Centers... 
5 Centers and counting in Philly... |
Maybe they did it for the draft picks that Utah included.
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The #sixers will receive both the most favorable and least favorable of Utah's 4 2017 second-round picks
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One person on RealGM said that Pleiss has a partial guarantee of $500,000 for the 2017 - 2018 season. |
Would of been a good deal for the Lakers to pick up more assets at the expense of less flexibility (would of only been able to offer Yi 5M)
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Bard207
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | The Hunt Brothers of the NBA are at it again only instead of silver, it's Centers...
5 Centers and counting in Philly... |
Maybe they did it for the draft picks that Utah included.
Derek Bodner
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The #sixers will receive both the most favorable and least favorable of Utah's 4 2017 second-round picks
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One person on RealGM said that Pleiss has a partial guarantee of $500,000 for the 2017 - 2018 season. |
Would of been a good deal for the Lakers to pick up more assets at the expense of less flexibility (would of only been able to offer Yi 5M) |
Yes, it would have been a favorable deal to take, but they made a choice to move forward with Yi.
There is some chatter that Utah made the trade to have more Cap Space to work on an extension for Favors or Hill. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | The Hunt Brothers of the NBA are at it again only instead of silver, it's Centers...
5 Centers and counting in Philly... |
Maybe they did it for the draft picks that Utah included.
Derek Bodner
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The #sixers will receive both the most favorable and least favorable of Utah's 4 2017 second-round picks
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One person on RealGM said that Pleiss has a partial guarantee of $500,000 for the 2017 - 2018 season. |
Would of been a good deal for the Lakers to pick up more assets at the expense of less flexibility (would of only been able to offer Yi 5M) |
Yes, it would have been a favorable deal to take, but they made a choice to move forward with Yi.
There is some chatter that Utah made the trade to have more Cap Space to work on an extension for Favors or Hill. |
I get why they did it. Kendall Marshall was due to get $2m guaranteed on Saturday. It's just funny that they picked up another Center. Now it sounds like Philly will dump Pleiss anyway... Rumor was that Utah was really disappointed in Pleiss.
Doesn't Nick Young have some kind of Aug. 31 deadline coming up? |
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The August 31 date for Nick is in regards to the possibility of him being stretch waived.
65. What happens when a player is released? What are waivers? What is the Stretch provision?
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Individually negotiated revisions to the payment schedule are not allowed for contracts signed or extended under the current CBA2. For these contracts or extensions, a waived player's guaranteed salary for the remaining seasons3 is "stretched" and paid in equal amounts over a greater time span, as follows:
If the player is waived from July 1 to August 31, then his remaining salary is paid over twice the number of years remaining on his contract, plus one. For example, if the player is waived on August 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.3 million, respectively, then his remaining salary is paid over five years (two seasons times two, plus one), in even amounts of $4.1 million per year.
If the player is waived from September 1 to June 30, then the current season is paid per the normal payment schedule, and any remaining years are stretched over twice the number of years remaining plus one as described above. For example, if the player is waived on December 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.5 million, respectively, then the current season (at $10.2 million) is paid normally, and the final season (at $10.5 million) is stretched over three years (one season times two, plus one) and paid in even amounts of $3.5 million per year4.
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Philly absorbed the contract of another Big (Sasha Kaun) in mid July and waived him a few days later. With the Center position being somewhat devalued, deep bench Bigs are vulnerable when teams are looking to prune some salary. |
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The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:36 am Post subject: |
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After Pg13, he is the next best option
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: |
After Pg13, he is the next best option |
If he likes the new coach I could see a scenario where Cousins would be willing to renegotiate his deal while adding a 3rd year. Gets him additional $20 million over the next two seasons while the Kings are now moving into a new building. They would need to shed about $11 million off their current payroll to have the space. You figure that only happens once the team and Cousins gets a look at each other this season, so maybe January.
So let's see, $12.1 million minus $1.1 million. Yup, that would do it.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Better then Huertas.
Do it Mitch! We need as much depth as possible. |
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Not sure why there is a ? after that.
Cousins is bouncing 100% once FA hits. The only way he never hits FA is if he gets traded to a contender that he extends with..
I like our chances at Boogie. He's already very high on our young core and grew up a Laker fan. In the next couple years, our young guy will strut their stuff and guys like Demarcus and PG13 are going to take notice.
To me, that is the new dream:
Cousins/Zu
Nance/Rande
Ingram
George
Russell/Clarkson
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Better then Huertas.
Do it Mitch! We need as much depth as possible. |
Just stop
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| 2019 wrote: |
Not sure why there is a ? after that.
Cousins is bouncing 100% once FA hits. The only way he never hits FA is if he gets traded to a contender that he extends with..
I like our chances at Boogie. He's already very high on our young core and grew up a Laker fan. In the next couple years, our young guy will strut their stuff and guys like Demarcus and PG13 are going to take notice.
To me, that is the new dream:
Cousins/Zu
Nance/Rande
Ingram
George
Russell/Clarkson
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How the heck do you think the Lakers can afford max deals for Boogie AND PG13? We'd have to scrounge to have enough for 1 let alone both.
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| 2019 wrote: |
Not sure why there is a ? after that.
Cousins is bouncing 100% once FA hits. The only way he never hits FA is if he gets traded to a contender that he extends with..
I like our chances at Boogie. He's already very high on our young core and grew up a Laker fan. In the next couple years, our young guy will strut their stuff and guys like Demarcus and PG13 are going to take notice.
To me, that is the new dream:
Cousins/Zu
Nance/Rande
Ingram
George
Russell/Clarkson
unstoppable |
Yes, a losing, troubled selfish player is exactly what we need. And are you expecting them to abolish the CBA?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Would be a great backup 1 in this offense especially.
Dunno why the Bucks stole him from us when we were gonna re-sign him.
Note: We only released his contract to get Boozer off waivers which we didn't think we'd get till it happened, and then we were gonna re-sign Marshall back after the time period passed. Bucks picked him up, never used him, he got hurt and they didn't rehab or anything and just dumped him to the wayside(classy....).
Anyway, Marshall as a backup 1 in this offense would be fantastic. But he'd have to wait till Huertas was gone or Calderon was not here after this year passes. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Better then Huertas.
Do it Mitch! We need as much depth as possible. |
can you explain why is he better then huertas? when he hasn't played much in the nba last year?
do you also know that Lakers can carry only 15 players? and not 300? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Better then Huertas.
Do it Mitch! We need as much depth as possible. |
can you explain why is he better then huertas? when he hasn't played much in the nba last year?
do you also know that Lakers can carry only 15 players? and not 300? |
Why is he better? Hmm.. More creative with the ball, doesn't make dumb mistakes, has a solid IQ, knows how to run a offense. He can sometimes go on a nice shooting clip.
If Huertas wasn't on the team picking up someone who fits the system would be a no brainer also... Wasn't Marshall injured last year? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | The Hunt Brothers of the NBA are at it again only instead of silver, it's Centers...
5 Centers and counting in Philly... |
Maybe they did it for the draft picks that Utah included.
Derek Bodner
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The #sixers will receive both the most favorable and least favorable of Utah's 4 2017 second-round picks
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One person on RealGM said that Pleiss has a partial guarantee of $500,000 for the 2017 - 2018 season. |
Would of been a good deal for the Lakers to pick up more assets at the expense of less flexibility (would of only been able to offer Yi 5M) |
  It's would have, not would of!!!
Sorry, that's a major pet peeve of mine.  |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you guys buy your lakers tickets today? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Better then Huertas.
Do it Mitch! We need as much depth as possible. |
can you explain why is he better then huertas? when he hasn't played much in the nba last year?
do you also know that Lakers can carry only 15 players? and not 300? |
Why is he better? Hmm.. More creative with the ball, doesn't make dumb mistakes, has a solid IQ, knows how to run a offense. He can sometimes go on a nice shooting clip.
If Huertas wasn't on the team picking up someone who fits the system would be a no brainer also... Wasn't Marshall injured last year? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Better then Huertas.
Do it Mitch! We need as much depth as possible. |
can you explain why is he better then huertas? when he hasn't played much in the nba last year?
do you also know that Lakers can carry only 15 players? and not 300? |
Why is he better? Hmm.. More creative with the ball, doesn't make dumb mistakes, has a solid IQ, knows how to run a offense. He can sometimes go on a nice shooting clip.
If Huertas wasn't on the team picking up someone who fits the system would be a no brainer also... Wasn't Marshall injured last year? |
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You guys have jokes. Good one. Almost had me, guys. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| How many players are we away from playoff contention? Does D. Cousins make us a playoff team? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | How many players are we away from playoff contention? Does D. Cousins make us a playoff team? |
Ehh. Maybe. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| zePokar wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | How many players are we away from playoff contention? Does D. Cousins make us a playoff team? |
Ehh. Maybe. |
I wonder if that is the grand plan right now behind the scenes? See how the team does and if they are within playoff reach, they go all in to acquire Cousins or another star player to put us back on the map. Obviously we aren't gonna give up all the young assets to Sacramento, but we have the flexibility and assets to make it interesting.. i.e. ( Yi's contract) |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | via NBA.com
The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived guard Kendall Marshall, whose rights were acquired by trade from Philadelphia on Friday. |
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Would be a great backup 1 in this offense especially.
Dunno why the Bucks stole him from us when we were gonna re-sign him.
Note: We only released his contract to get Boozer off waivers which we didn't think we'd get till it happened, and then we were gonna re-sign Marshall back after the time period passed. Bucks picked him up, never used him, he got hurt and they didn't rehab or anything and just dumped him to the wayside(classy....).
Anyway, Marshall as a backup 1 in this offense would be fantastic. But he'd have to wait till Huertas was gone or Calderon was not here after this year passes. |
Marshall would be a disaster in this offense. Can't shoot, can't really penetrate and score, mostly pounds the ball until he finds an open guy for a mediocre shot. Does nothing off ball. An anachronism.
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