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kikanga
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| adkindo wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beasley for Ennis reported by Woj |
I don't get it, Middleton is a SG and Beasley is a SF at best....maybe even trending toward a PF? |
MIL doesn't give 2 craps about traditional positions. Even now, I don't know if they consider Antetokoumpo a PG or SF. Won't be surprised if they run Thon at the 4 since they have Monroe and Plumlee. I think they're just gonna find 5 man lineups they're comfortable with, even if it makes no sense in terms of traditional positions.
They like to double and blitz the P&R ball handler.
With their length with MCW, Greak Freak, and Thon Maker. That strategy could be devastating to opposing teams.
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| kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beasley for Ennis reported by Woj |
I don't get it, Middleton is a SG and Beasley is a SF at best....maybe even trending toward a PF? |
MIL doesn't give 2 craps about traditional positions. Even now, I don't know if they consider Antetokoumpo a PG or SF. Won't be surprised if they run Thon at the 4 since they have Monroe and Plumlee. I think they're just gonna find 5 man lineups they're comfortable with, even if it makes no sense in terms of traditional positions.
They like to double and blitz the P&R ball handler.
With their length with MCW, Greak Freak, and Thon Maker. That strategy could be devastating to opposing teams. |
that is a fair point....maybe it would be ok on offense.....but Middleton can play defense, and Beasley simply don't....so not sure how that works out. |
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| I wonder what motivated Milwaukee to get Beasley considering, they had to deal with OJ Mayo and his problems off the court. |
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| With Houston getting Ennis, would Houston do Young/2nd round pick for Beverly? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beasley for Ennis reported by Woj |
I don't get it, Middleton is a SG and Beasley is a SF at best....maybe even trending toward a PF? |
MIL doesn't give 2 craps about traditional positions. Even now, I don't know if they consider Antetokoumpo a PG or SF. Won't be surprised if they run Thon at the 4 since they have Monroe and Plumlee. I think they're just gonna find 5 man lineups they're comfortable with, even if it makes no sense in terms of traditional positions.
They like to double and blitz the P&R ball handler.
With their length with MCW, Greak Freak, and Thon Maker. That strategy could be devastating to opposing teams. |
Yeah Mil is IMO building the next wave of modern ball-- huge line ups who can do it it... small ball is now contemporary.
Henson
Maker
Parker
Middleton
Giannis
Once they are healthy, that is quite the interesting lineup and concept. all 6'8 and over.
Think we're about 10 years away from that being a concept that other teams employ, but as guards get bigger and moth athletic and bigs become more skilled and mobile..
For now, I think with how interchangeable they are on the wing, I think Beasley does enough to allow them to run their normal schemes. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | With Houston getting Ennis, would Houston do Young/2nd round pick for Beverly? |
I wouldn't trade Beverly if I was Houston. Hes a perfect PG compliment to Harden. Doesn't need ball in his hands to be effective and is an improved spot up 3 pt shooter. Rockets are trying to build a culture similar to the Lakers and I don't think Beasley fit within that plan. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beasley for Ennis reported by Woj |
I don't get it, Middleton is a SG and Beasley is a SF at best....maybe even trending toward a PF? |
MIL doesn't give 2 craps about traditional positions. Even now, I don't know if they consider Antetokoumpo a PG or SF. Won't be surprised if they run Thon at the 4 since they have Monroe and Plumlee. I think they're just gonna find 5 man lineups they're comfortable with, even if it makes no sense in terms of traditional positions.
They like to double and blitz the P&R ball handler.
With their length with MCW, Greak Freak, and Thon Maker. That strategy could be devastating to opposing teams. |
Yeah Mil is IMO building the next wave of modern ball-- huge line ups who can do it it... small ball is now contemporary.
Henson
Maker
Parker
Middleton
Giannis
Once they are healthy, that is quite the interesting lineup and concept. all 6'8 and over.
Think we're about 10 years away from that being a concept that other teams employ, but as guards get bigger and moth athletic and bigs become more skilled and mobile..
For now, I think with how interchangeable they are on the wing, I think Beasley does enough to allow them to run their normal schemes. |
Unless modern day bigs can post up very effectively there is no significant advantage to having a big lineup because they can't utilize their height in any significant way. There are advantages for going small as with going big but I don't see going big as being much more advantageous. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| BobbyB wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | With Houston getting Ennis, would Houston do Young/2nd round pick for Beverly? |
I wouldn't trade Beverly if I was Houston. Hes a perfect PG compliment to Harden. Doesn't need ball in his hands to be effective and is an improved spot up 3 pt shooter. Rockets are trying to build a culture similar to the Lakers and I don't think Beasley fit within that plan. |
Young is better offensively then Beverly, I'm hoping MDAs obsession with Offense gives the Lakers a chance to get him. |
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| Lakers_Jester wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beasley for Ennis reported by Woj |
I don't get it, Middleton is a SG and Beasley is a SF at best....maybe even trending toward a PF? |
MIL doesn't give 2 craps about traditional positions. Even now, I don't know if they consider Antetokoumpo a PG or SF. Won't be surprised if they run Thon at the 4 since they have Monroe and Plumlee. I think they're just gonna find 5 man lineups they're comfortable with, even if it makes no sense in terms of traditional positions.
They like to double and blitz the P&R ball handler.
With their length with MCW, Greak Freak, and Thon Maker. That strategy could be devastating to opposing teams. |
Yeah Mil is IMO building the next wave of modern ball-- huge line ups who can do it it... small ball is now contemporary.
Henson
Maker
Parker
Middleton
Giannis
Once they are healthy, that is quite the interesting lineup and concept. all 6'8 and over.
Think we're about 10 years away from that being a concept that other teams employ, but as guards get bigger and moth athletic and bigs become more skilled and mobile..
For now, I think with how interchangeable they are on the wing, I think Beasley does enough to allow them to run their normal schemes. |
Unless modern day bigs can post up very effectively there is no significant advantage to having a big lineup because they can't utilize their height in any significant way. There are advantages for going small as with going big but I don't see going big as being much more advantageous. |
In general I agree.
But MIL is a special case. They have 2 guys on their roster who have the potential to shut down a pick and roll single handedly (Greak Freak, Thon). And 2 other solid pick and roll defenders in MCW and Henson. Their size is so ridiculous, they should dominate the boards. If Thon can stretch the floor out to the 3 point line. The drawbacks on offense aren't as severe either.
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Minnesota might be the biggest roster I've EVER seen.
Towns, Dieng, Pekovic, Aldrich, Hill, Payne, Bjelica, and Garnett (expected to be bought out).
That's (bleep) ing madness. 8 players 6'10'' or taller. 
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | With Houston getting Ennis, would Houston do Young/2nd round pick for Beverly? |
I would rather have Ennis.
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| kikanga wrote: | Minnesota might be the biggest roster I've EVER seen.
Towns, Dieng, Pekovic, Aldrich, Hill, Payne, Bjelica, and Garnett (expected to be bought out).
That's (bleep) ing madness. 8 players 6'10'' or taller. |
Today's NBA is a small centers league, not sure Minnesota has any real advantage. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | With Houston getting Ennis, would Houston do Young/2nd round pick for Beverly? |
I would rather have Ennis. |
Morey did a good job of turning a mid season free agent signing from last season into a fringe prospect.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Lakers_Jester wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Beasley for Ennis reported by Woj |
I don't get it, Middleton is a SG and Beasley is a SF at best....maybe even trending toward a PF? |
MIL doesn't give 2 craps about traditional positions. Even now, I don't know if they consider Antetokoumpo a PG or SF. Won't be surprised if they run Thon at the 4 since they have Monroe and Plumlee. I think they're just gonna find 5 man lineups they're comfortable with, even if it makes no sense in terms of traditional positions.
They like to double and blitz the P&R ball handler.
With their length with MCW, Greak Freak, and Thon Maker. That strategy could be devastating to opposing teams. |
Yeah Mil is IMO building the next wave of modern ball-- huge line ups who can do it it... small ball is now contemporary.
Henson
Maker
Parker
Middleton
Giannis
Once they are healthy, that is quite the interesting lineup and concept. all 6'8 and over.
Think we're about 10 years away from that being a concept that other teams employ, but as guards get bigger and moth athletic and bigs become more skilled and mobile..
For now, I think with how interchangeable they are on the wing, I think Beasley does enough to allow them to run their normal schemes. |
Unless modern day bigs can post up very effectively there is no significant advantage to having a big lineup because they can't utilize their height in any significant way. There are advantages for going small as with going big but I don't see going big as being much more advantageous. |
In general I agree.
But MIL is a special case. They have 2 guys on their roster who have the potential to shut down a pick and roll single handedly (Greak Freak, Thon). And 2 other solid pick and roll defenders in MCW and Henson. Their size is so ridiculous, they should dominate the boards. If Thon can stretch the floor out to the 3 point line. The drawbacks on offense aren't as severe either. |
They have advantage on boards but small teams have them in a few areas as well. Parker is not a good defender and henson is constantly injured. Thon needs to be able to hit the 3 consistently as well as greek freak or else packing the paint is all teams need to do (and is actually what most teams did resulting in not even making the Playoffs in the weak east).
I am interested in seeing an all big lineup though because I've been pondering about it myself. I just have a hard time seeing it workout unless all the bigs were Brandon ingram/kd/ anthony davis types. Bigs with guard like skills with inside+outside shooting ability, and defensive versatility |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Minnesota might be the biggest roster I've EVER seen.
Towns, Dieng, Pekovic, Aldrich, Hill, Payne, Bjelica, and Garnett (expected to be bought out).
That's (bleep) ing madness. 8 players 6'10'' or taller. |
Today's NBA is a small centers league, not sure Minnesota has any real advantage. |
I don't think they do. Just surprised by the sheer size on their roster. Been calling MIN out for years for hoarding big men (for no apparent reason).
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| Quote: | The Clippers have increased their training camp roster count to 17 players, according to Dan Woike of The Orange County Register, who reports (via Twitter) that the team is bringing in Dorell Wright and Xavier Munford
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| pio2u wrote: | | Quote: | The Clippers have increased their training camp roster count to 17 players, according to Dan Woike of The Orange County Register, who reports (via Twitter) that the team is bringing in Dorell Wright and Xavier Munford
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Dorell Wright has a chance to make the roster, The Clipps are pretty thin at SF. |
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Holy shiet 2.0 might have been right about Rudy Gay??  |
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Not sure how credible this is but
| Quote: | | According to the latest NBA rumors, the Los Angeles Lakers could offer Nick Young and Lou Williams to acquire Gay from the Kings. |
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | Not sure how credible this is but
| Quote: | | According to the latest NBA rumors, the Los Angeles Lakers could offer Nick Young and Lou Williams to acquire Gay from the Kings. |
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Speculation and rumor are two different things. One day the writer of that article might learn the difference. |
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Also saw this from earlier today.
According to Inquisitr, the blockbuster trade between Kings, Nuggets and Lakers involves seven players. The seven players include DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gay, Wilson Chandler, Julius Randle, Lou Williams, Jose Calderon and Nick Young.
Reports have it that Kings center DeMarcus Cousins and Nuggets small forward Wilson Chandler will join Los Angeles Lakers. Meanwhile, Lakers' power forward Julius Randle, shooting guard Lou Williams and Nick Young, and point guard Jose Calderon will still be a team but this time, all will play for Kings.
The report added that Los Angeles Lakers will also send their first round-draft pick next year to Sacramento Kings. As for the Nuggets, they will receive Kings' small forward Rudy Gay and Lakers' second-round draft choice. |
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| farzadkavari wrote: | http://en.yibada.com/articles/162066/20160922/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-trading-nick-young-lou-williams-rudy.htm
Rumor has it, Rudy Gay to Lakers for Williams+Young. |
YES PLEASE!
Usually I wouldn't want Gay but for a useless bad locker room player and a guard who both makes a team worse with his USG%, chucking away terrible shots and zero defense, I would take this deal in a heartbeat.
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| Megaton wrote: | | farzadkavari wrote: | http://en.yibada.com/articles/162066/20160922/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-trading-nick-young-lou-williams-rudy.htm
Rumor has it, Rudy Gay to Lakers for Williams+Young. |
YES PLEASE!
Usually I wouldn't want Gay but for a useless bad locker room player and a guard who both makes a team worse with his USG%, chucking away terrible shots and zero defense, I would take this deal in a heartbeat. |
I agree, let's hope Mitch pulls the trigger. |
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| farzadkavari wrote: | Also saw this from earlier today.
According to Inquisitr, the blockbuster trade between Kings, Nuggets and Lakers involves seven players. The seven players include DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gay, Wilson Chandler, Julius Randle, Lou Williams, Jose Calderon and Nick Young.
Reports have it that Kings center DeMarcus Cousins and Nuggets small forward Wilson Chandler will join Los Angeles Lakers. Meanwhile, Lakers' power forward Julius Randle, shooting guard Lou Williams and Nick Young, and point guard Jose Calderon will still be a team but this time, all will play for Kings.
The report added that Los Angeles Lakers will also send their first round-draft pick next year to Sacramento Kings. As for the Nuggets, they will receive Kings' small forward Rudy Gay and Lakers' second-round draft choice. |
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