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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Only in the minds of a trophy hunter does killing animals at the top of the food chain=conservation....
I'm pretty sure they would do fine without humans decimating their endangered populations already. Not to mention the money raised is peanuts compared to tourism from sightseeing these animals on safari. Then theres the other fact that animals have no use for the human concept of money. |
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Reflexx Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:25 am Post subject: |
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If you're not going to eat the animal, then the rules should be changed.
Once you find the animal, you get a shield and a melee weapon of your choice.
My guess is that a giraffe would win 90% of the time. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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TheRod Star Player
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More than likely the money paid for the tag to kill the giraffe, as well as the meat that is harvested returns to the community from which it came. There are a lot of factors involved in hunting big game in Africa. In fact, a vast majority of these exotic animals would have been extinct by now if it weren't for hunters. Africa is a dicey situation when it comes to hunting, but if a hunt occurs legally it pretty much means that thousands of dollars are being pumped into the community and the meat is being donated to local tribes.
If the animal is poached, then that is a serious issue that not only removes the influx of cash, but also typically ruins the meat, and causes severe ecological damage to the species.
It's easy to be outraged at an article that provides very few facts and that essentially is reporting internet trolling and typical judging between humans. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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TheRod wrote: | More than likely the money paid for the tag to kill the giraffe, as well as the meat that is harvested returns to the community from which it came. There are a lot of factors involved in hunting big game in Africa. In fact, a vast majority of these exotic animals would have been extinct by now if it weren't for hunters. Africa is a dicey situation when it comes to hunting, but if a hunt occurs legally it pretty much means that thousands of dollars are being pumped into the community and the meat is being donated to local tribes.
If the animal is poached, then that is a serious issue that not only removes the influx of cash, but also typically ruins the meat, and causes severe ecological damage to the species.
It's easy to be outraged at an article that provides very few facts and that essentially is reporting internet trolling and typical judging between humans. |
Uh, no. |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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The Rod, I appreciate the info but I bet people would donate more money to stop people like her from taking pride in killing an animal for sport than any money game hunters pay to kill these animals.
I personally think it is a disease she has. |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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There should be another name for this.
Game killing isn't traditional "hunting". it is a disease |
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TheRod Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | TheRod wrote: | More than likely the money paid for the tag to kill the giraffe, as well as the meat that is harvested returns to the community from which it came. There are a lot of factors involved in hunting big game in Africa. In fact, a vast majority of these exotic animals would have been extinct by now if it weren't for hunters. Africa is a dicey situation when it comes to hunting, but if a hunt occurs legally it pretty much means that thousands of dollars are being pumped into the community and the meat is being donated to local tribes.
If the animal is poached, then that is a serious issue that not only removes the influx of cash, but also typically ruins the meat, and causes severe ecological damage to the species.
It's easy to be outraged at an article that provides very few facts and that essentially is reporting internet trolling and typical judging between humans. |
Uh, no. |
High fence operations have protected many species of animals in Africa. The money paid to procure tags go towards saving those resources. The meat is consumed with extremely minimal waste.
The problem with all the outrage is a great majority of people hold onto preconceived notions about hunting that are baseless and false. Populations of animals need to be controlled to attain equilibrium.
In the states a large amount of predators have been eradicated, causing huge populations of fauna. Large populations can cause potential harms to the genetic strength of the species. This is where hunting helps as hunters control population size and contribute to conservation in the fees that they pay to secure tags.
In Africa, an old rhino may prove to be a detriment to the rhino population due to aggressive behavior that can lead to the deaths of healthy bulls. These old rhinos have to be put down for the betterment of the herd. Rhino tags cost hundreds of thousands of dollars that go towards conservation and the meat is donated to tribes.
Without him ting regulation and legal hunting practices, a large amount of species in Africa would no longer be here. That's a fact. |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Love how she tried to justify killing a giraffe by claiming how dangerous they are. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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TheRod wrote: | 24 wrote: | TheRod wrote: | More than likely the money paid for the tag to kill the giraffe, as well as the meat that is harvested returns to the community from which it came. There are a lot of factors involved in hunting big game in Africa. In fact, a vast majority of these exotic animals would have been extinct by now if it weren't for hunters. Africa is a dicey situation when it comes to hunting, but if a hunt occurs legally it pretty much means that thousands of dollars are being pumped into the community and the meat is being donated to local tribes.
If the animal is poached, then that is a serious issue that not only removes the influx of cash, but also typically ruins the meat, and causes severe ecological damage to the species.
It's easy to be outraged at an article that provides very few facts and that essentially is reporting internet trolling and typical judging between humans. |
Uh, no. |
High fence operations have protected many species of animals in Africa. The money paid to procure tags go towards saving those resources. The meat is consumed with extremely minimal waste.
The problem with all the outrage is a great majority of people hold onto preconceived notions about hunting that are baseless and false. Populations of animals need to be controlled to attain equilibrium.
In the states a large amount of predators have been eradicated, causing huge populations of fauna. Large populations can cause potential harms to the genetic strength of the species. This is where hunting helps as hunters control population size and contribute to conservation in the fees that they pay to secure tags.
In Africa, an old rhino may prove to be a detriment to the rhino population due to aggressive behavior that can lead to the deaths of healthy bulls. These old rhinos have to be put down for the betterment of the herd. Rhino tags cost hundreds of thousands of dollars that go towards conservation and the meat is donated to tribes.
Without him ting regulation and legal hunting practices, a large amount of species in Africa would no longer be here. That's a fact. |
5 Reasons Trophy Hunting is not Conservation
What The Safari Hunting Industry Doesn’t Want You To Know About Killing Lions
Big game hunting in Africa is economically useless - IUCN |
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non-player zealot Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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lakersken80 wrote: | Only in the minds of a trophy hunter does killing animals at the top of the food chain=conservation....
I'm pretty sure they would do fine without humans decimating their endangered populations already. Not to mention the money raised is peanuts compared to tourism from sightseeing these animals on safari. Then theres the other fact that animals have no use for the human concept of money. |
It's such an outdated mode of thinking. It should've stayed in the 1800s. Teddy Roosevelt was one of the most prolific trophy hunters in history and yet, being so full of odd contradictions, he also used his bully pulpit for conservation efforts, mostly setting aside national park land. At least if nothing else, he was the rare one that had the power and initiative to do something right as well. John Muir was a friend of his and he told him straight that what he was doing was wrong.
Another one was Archduke Franz Ferdinand of the Austro-Hungarian court. Some think he was most prolific trophy hunter in history, at least recorded history. His assassination on June 28, 1914 by a young Serb is largely viewed as the spark that set off WWI. He was hunted down by a group of would-be assassins, a different one at various stops along the route of the Archduke's appearance. The first two assassins got gunshy and didn't act and the third threw a bomb at their car that was mistimed. Franz and his wife Sophie went to a scheduled address and then to the hospital to visit the people in the car behind them that received the blast of the bomb. Due to a miscommunication among his people, when they left the hospital, his driver took a route that brought them back to the general area where they were first attacked. Nineteen yr old Gavrilo Princip learned that the assassination plot was foiled so he walked to a cafe and was eating a sandwich as the Archduke's car happened to come up the street right within striking distance, one of those random coincidences that changed history. They were in an early open car, the kind which Roosevelt himself was shot in a couple years earlier. The kid ran up and shot Franz and his wife, killing her as well, which added to the outrage, but as a cosmic turn of justice, Franz knew what it felt like in his final moments on earth to be hunted down. As an aside, Princip died of TB in prison. Before he was captured, Princip tried to commit suicide with a cyanide capsule and then he tried to shoot himself in the head, but both attempts failed.
As another aside, TR was shot on Oct. 14, 1912 by a .38 caliber revolver while sitting in his White steamcar during a campaign stop in Milwaukee. A nut named John Shrank was lying in wait for him. Shrank was the mentally disturbed variety of would-be assassin, voices in his head told him to do it, etc. I saw a show on notorious guns in history. Iirc, the gun that Shrank used was stolen from the museum that had it on display and it has never been recovered. That was the famous shot that hit TR's eyeglass case and went thru a folded speech and lodged in his chest. He made an odd, rambling 20-30 min speech after showing the crowd his bloodied shirt. The transcript of said speech shows he was gettin woozy. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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OregonLakerGuy Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Not a fan of trophy hunting and don't mind seeing the social pressure to stop applied to its practitioners.
I just hope it does not devolve into yet another excuse to hate other humans. Disagree and let them know, but stay civilized. |
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