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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:00 am    Post subject: Shams Charania: lakers sign forward Jonathan Holmes

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@ShamsCharania: Undrafted Texas forward Jonathan Holmes has reached agreement on a deal with the Lakers, league source tells RealGM. Significant partial.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:03 am    Post subject:

Do we really need camp fodder anymore?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:04 am    Post subject:

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After making a big leap production wise from his sophomore to junior season, Jonathan Holmes came back to Texas for his senior season hoping to end on a high note and lead the Longhorns to the Sweet Sixteen for the first time. Holmes started the season on fire, but like Texas' entire team, faded as the year moved on, particularly with his outside shooting. He suffered a concussion in early February that saw him miss two full conference games, but had a strong enough season to earn a spot on the Big 12 All-Conference Honorable Mention team.

Holmes will now set his sights on the NBA draft and attempt to answer the questions scouts have about his NBA future in pre-draft workouts. The 6'9” forward measured out better than expected in Chicago, which should allow him to see plenty of minutes at the PF spot, with additional minutes coming at the 3 in bigger lineups. While none of Holmes' individual athletic tools leap off the page, he is a well-rounded athlete with a nice combination of quickness and strength that should help him compete against NBA players. He moves well in the open court and is tough enough to throw his weight around on the interior.

To show he can play on the perimeter, Holmes has worked on his three point range working his way up from 2.2 three point attempts per 40 minutes pace adjusted his freshman season to 6.3 his senior season, second most among small forwards in our top 100. Part of that was out of necessity, as Texas had a glut of big men this season that forced Holmes to see a good amount of minutes on the wing, which drew mixed results. But there is no question that his skill-level improved quite a bit over the course of his career, allowing him to score in a variety of different situations, be it off spot-ups, attacking closeouts, in the post, or via the offensive glass.

Holmes never became the knock-down shooter NBA scouts would have liked to see, and he ended his career shooting 33.1% on long distance shots and 33.3% on all catch and shoot jump shots this season according to Synergy Sports Technology. With that said, he demonstrates good fundamentals on his shot, with a quick and compact release that allows him to get his jumper off mostly the same way every time and should allow him to improve his consistency as his career moves on.

With that said, Holmes has been extremely streaky throughout his career, going through huge swings of effectiveness without much rhyme or reason, and the fact that he dips the ball unnecessarily on the catch and thus shoots it with a fairly low release point makes his jumper easier to contest when well defended and/or under pressure. How consistent of a shooter Holmes is able to become will play a huge role in whether or not he's able to carve out a real role in the NBA. His consistent mechanics, combined with the fact that he made 78% of his free throw attempts leaves a lot of room for optimism—particularly with better spacing and ball-movement than he enjoyed at Texas.


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Holmes is not an overly creative ball-handler, and is unlikely to develop into a high volume shot-creator or passer in the NBA. He made just a handful of off the dribble jumpers at Texas, and only distributed 92 assists in 2903 career minutes.

Despite that, his situation at Texas surely didn't help matters a great deal, as he consistently was defended by smaller players, but rarely was able to take advantage of that due to the glut of frontcourt players he was usually utilized alongside of. Moving from the 4 to the 3 hurt his efficiency significantly, and having to share the floor with another paint-clogging big man saw his 2P% drop from an outstanding 58% as a junior to a middling 44% as a senior.

For a player who is not overly explosive to begin with, that was a tough development. Holmes ranked towards the bottom of all forward prospects in the various vertical leap categories tested at the NBA Combine, and his struggles finishing in traffic were much more noticeable with the lack of spacing Texas enjoyed this year. After hitting 67% of his shots around the basket as a junior (Synergy), that dropped to just 48% this past season, despite seeing far fewer attempts.

If matched up against a smaller defender, Holmes has the ability to score in the post with his strong body and soft touch. He can power through defenders of similar size or can shoot over smaller defenders, and while his footwork on the block isn't advanced, he can use his athletic tools to get a decent shot off. He could use this attack sparingly to create some easy offense in the right matchups.

Holmes is an active rebounder from his position, utilizing his athleticism and energy to grab 3.5 offensive rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted, second among small forwards in our top 100 and 6.1 defensive rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted. He has demonstrated good fundamental rebounding skills, toughness and agility to rebound outside his area over his career. He will need to focus on this aspect of his game at the professional level to provide value to his team as a rebounder from his position.

The biggest key to Holmes sticking in the NBA will likely come down to his ability to defend his position. Standing 6-9 with a 6-11 wingspan, a near 9-foot standing reach and a 242 pound frame, Holmes has solid size for a NBA power forward, but is quick enough to step out onto the perimeter and guard most small forwards as well. That gives him great versatility which is highly coveted in today's NBA, even if he'll have to show that that element of his game can translate to competing against NBA athletes.

Holmes gets into a defensive stance willingly, and slides his feet well to stay in front of attacking players. He's a physical and competitive player with plays with a high energy level and isn't afraid to dive on the floor for loose balls or throw his strong frame around. Holmes blocked quite a few shots from the small forward position this year (1.6 per-40), indicating good timing and anticipation skills, and also grabbed a ton of offensive rebounds throughout his career at Texas (4 per-40), which is also a good sign.

Holmes will need to display his versatile skill-set and rebounding ability in pre-draft workouts while showing scouts he can defend both forward positions and be a consistent jump shooter. He has been caught in between positions during his time in college, but there are major questions about whether he was utilized in a way that played to his strengths. Holmes had an outstanding NBA Combine, which opened up quite a few eyes and will likely earn him some looks even in the late first round. Players in his mold who can adequately defend both forward positions, space the floor, and play physical and competitive basketball are very much en vogue these days, which gives him a great chance to carve out a niche in the NBA long term.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:06 am    Post subject:

Don't we have like five undersized 6'8 PF's already?

But for 6'8 he did show he could stay with a taller Okafor and had those 2 blocks against him in the Summer League.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject:

Upshaw vs Holmes for last roster spot?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
Upshaw vs Holmes for last roster spot?


Is Upshaw even signed?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject:

in DX mock draft he was suppose to go 33. he can play some 3
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:10 am    Post subject:

I heard this guy had good stamina and longevity.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:13 am    Post subject:

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Holmes – who excelled in the classroom in Austin as well as on the court – started three and a half years for the Longhorns and was a capable passer, though that is the one attribute he must improve. What scouts love most about him is his ability to defend on the wing and inside, and there’s a feeling that he’s got the potential to hold his own when he’s matched up with a point guard in the pick-and-roll. Is he a leader? Well, teammates raved about him throughout his career.

His basketball DNA appears to have everything teams are currently coveting: Ability to play the stretch four (attempted more 3-pointers in each year at Texas, shot 33% the last two years), but also skilled on the block, where he’s got nice footwork for a man of his size:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:16 am    Post subject:

Another plus: We stole him from the Celtics.

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The Boston Celtics signed Jonathan Holmes to their summer league team after no team picked him in last month's draft. That decision could turn into a smart one.
Celtics coach Brad Stevens is impressed with what he's seen, particularly with Holmes' outside shot (he's made four of six attempts so far in Las Vegas). Here's what he told the Boston Herald:
“He’s got a really good chance, a good player. He stretches the floor as a 4, he’s got a little post game, he’s better rebounding the ball than even I knew when he got here, he can get offensive rebounds, he can get defensive rebounds, he’s strong, he can guard bigger, he’s got a really good chance.”
It will be difficult for Holmes to latch on with Boston, considering they already have David Lee, Amir Johnson, Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk all fighting for minutes. But it wouldn't hurt to give him a non-guaranteed contract and a spot on the roster anyway.
Guys with size who can shoot don't grow on trees. When you find one, don't let him go.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:19 am    Post subject:

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Another plus: We stole him from the Celtics.

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The Boston Celtics signed Jonathan Holmes to their summer league team after no team picked him in last month's draft. That decision could turn into a smart one.
Celtics coach Brad Stevens is impressed with what he's seen, particularly with Holmes' outside shot (he's made four of six attempts so far in Las Vegas). Here's what he told the Boston Herald:
“He’s got a really good chance, a good player. He stretches the floor as a 4, he’s got a little post game, he’s better rebounding the ball than even I knew when he got here, he can get offensive rebounds, he can get defensive rebounds, he’s strong, he can guard bigger, he’s got a really good chance.”
It will be difficult for Holmes to latch on with Boston, considering they already have David Lee, Amir Johnson, Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk all fighting for minutes. But it wouldn't hurt to give him a non-guaranteed contract and a spot on the roster anyway.
Guys with size who can shoot don't grow on trees. When you find one, don't let him go.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:19 am    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
But for 6'8 he did show he could stay with a taller Okafor and had those 2 blocks against him in the Summer League.


He can guard multiple positions SF - C.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject:

Oliver Reed wrote:
I heard this guy had good stamina and longevity.


Typically you'd have someone requesting clips to backup your statement, I don't think that's going to happen here.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:23 am    Post subject:

Iron Mamba wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
But for 6'8 he did show he could stay with a taller Okafor and had those 2 blocks against him in the Summer League.


He can guard multiple positions SF - C.


i like SF part
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:25 am    Post subject:

DX Strengths:



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:25 am    Post subject:

Sounds to me like a poor man's version of Draymond Green. I wonder if he'll make our team?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:27 am    Post subject:

We need a prospect C way more than we need ANOTHER prospect forward. We already have 3 of those, or 4 if you count Kelly.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:28 am    Post subject:

Got too many guys who should be stretch 4s who will be turned into 3s. I trust Mitch but there must be something wrong with Upshaw to go away from him. Significant guarantee puts him ahead of the curve for the last spot.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:31 am    Post subject:

iggypop123 wrote:
Got too many guys who should be stretch 4s who will be turned into 3s. I trust Mitch but there must be something wrong with Upshaw to go away from him. Significant guarantee puts him ahead of the curve for the last spot.


maybe he just partied too hard in vegas
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:33 am    Post subject:

fansincemagic wrote:
Oliver Reed wrote:
I heard this guy had good stamina and longevity.


Typically you'd have someone requesting clips to backup your statement, I don't think that's going to happen here.


Agreed.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:50 am    Post subject:

Betweendrafting Nance, signing Bass and a signing like this, I get the impression Kelly wont be around for long.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:50 am    Post subject:

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Betweendrafting Nance, signing Bass and a signing like this, I get the impression Kelly wont be around for long.


hope that day comes sooner then later
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:57 am    Post subject:

so...

Randle
Bass
Nance
Kelly
Holmes


That's a lot of Pfs
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:01 pm    Post subject:

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Betweendrafting Nance, signing Bass and a signing like this, I get the impression Kelly wont be around for long.


Hopefully we can trade him for a backup PG (Steve Blake maybe?), then cut Sacre, and sign Upshaw.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:05 pm    Post subject:

Oliver Reed wrote:
I heard this guy had good stamina and longevity.


And was really good at handling the balls.
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