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DShotMaker1824
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 Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:29 pm Post subject: 2015-2016 Lakers Potential Rotation Discussion |
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Don't think we have a thread like this so I thought I'd start one.
So what do you want to see in the Lakers rotation throughout the year?
All I want to see if some level of consistency. Below does not take into account foul trouble. Also I think Kobe has to play De-Facto PG.
I'd want to see this starting line-up
Quarter 1
Clarkson
Bryant
Young
Randle
Hibbert
First off the bench - Under 6 Minute Mark
Russell in for Kobe
Bass in for Randle
Second of the bench - Under 4 Minute Mark
Williams in for Clarkson
Black in for Hibbert
So Russell, Williams, Young, Bass and Black closes Quarter 1.
Quarter 2
Russell
Williams
A Brown
Randle
Black (Maybe Upshaw if he makes the team)
Under 8 minute mark
Bryant in for A Brown
Hibbert in for Black
Under 6 Minute Mark
Young in for Russell
Clarkson in for Williams
End 2nd Quarter with Starting Line-Up
3rd Quarter
Starting Line-up
Under 8 Minute Mark
Russell in for Young
Bass in for Randle
Under 4 Minute Mark
Black in for Hibbert
Under 3 Minute Mark
A Brown in for Bryant
End Quarter 3 with Russell, Clarkson, A Brown, Bass, Black
Quarter 4
Russell
Williams
Young
Black
Hibbert
Under 6 & 1/2 Minute Mark
Bryant in for Young
Clarkson in for Russell
Randle in for Black
Close game with Clarkson, Williams, Bryant, Randle, Hibbert
Minutes Totals
Clarkson - 32.5
Bryant - 29.5
Young - 27.5
Randle - 28.5
Hibbert - 36.0
Russell - 25.5 (Play more minutes when Kobe's not playing - probably 40)
Williams - 22.0
Bass - 14.0
A Brown - 7.0
Black - 17.5
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hibbert isn't physically able to play 36 MPG. His career high is 30 MPG.
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Hibbert likely in the 28-30 mpg range. I think it helps him when he plays minutes at that range. Too many minutes and he will fatigue.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I see Russell starting for sure and Bass over Randle.
Clarkson
Russell
Kobe
Bass
Hibbert
Lou, Young, and Randle come in at 4min mark
Black in at 2min mark
Clarkson
Lou
Young
Randle
Black
Close 1st
Same crew starts
Jabari Brown in at 10min Mark
Russell, Kobe and Hibbert in at 6min Mark
Russell
Lou
Kobe
Randle
Hibbert
Then starters in at 3min
By half-
Clarkson 15min /30
Russell 14min /28
Kobe 14min /28
Bass 11min /22
Hibbert 16min /32
Lou 10min /20
Young 10min /20
Randle 12min /24
Black 9min /18
Brown 4min /8
Same. Rotation in 2nd |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Start of 1st and 3rd Quarter
DLo
Clarkson
Kobe
Bass
Hibbert
6 minute mark: Young and Black sub in for Kobe and Hibbert
4 minute mark: Lou and Randle sub in for DLo and Bass
Start of 2nd and 4th Quarter
Lou
Young
Brown/Brown/Nance
Randle
Black
8 minute mark: DLo sub in for J Brown/A Brown/Nance
6 minute mark: Kobe and Hibbert sub in for Young and Black
4 minute mark: Clarkson and Bass in for Lou and Randle
Starters:
DLo: 32 MPG
Clarkson: 32 MPG
Kobe: 24 MPG
Bass: 24 MPG
Hibbert: 24 MPG
Bench:
Lou: 24 MPG
Young: 24 MPG
Randle: 24 MPG
Black: 24 MPG
J Brown/A Brown/Nance: 8 MPG
Toughest part of the rotation is trying to play Clarkson and DLO together while also having at least 1 of them in there for most of the game (to handle PG duties).
My rotation counts on Randle initiating our offense as a Point Forward for 8 minutes a game, while Clarkson and Russell are both resting.
If Kelly plays well at the 4. Maybe slide Bass to the 5 and eat into those minutes I'm giving Hibbert or Black. Or just eat into Bass minutes directly.
We'll probably need a stretch 4 at some point this season.
I know nothing of Jonathan Holmes. But I could see one of the Browns or Nance stealing minutes that I have going to Young.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Hibbert likely in the 28-30 mpg range. I think it helps him when he plays minutes at that range. Too many minutes and he will fatigue. |
If we dump Sacre for Upshaw I'd definitely adjust. We need rim protection to stay competitive.
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| If Randle can't dominate brandon bass on both ends of the floor in training camp and solidify that starting spot I will be disappointed. |
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| diando wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Hibbert likely in the 28-30 mpg range. I think it helps him when he plays minutes at that range. Too many minutes and he will fatigue. |
If we dump Sacre for Upshaw I'd definitely adjust. We need rim protection to stay competitive. |
Upshaw needs to prove he can stay on the court and stay away from the drugs first thus why we are keeping Sacre. |
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Let's get this out of the way:
1. Young ain't starting. Byron hates his guts (and I don't blame him) and he's much better off the bench anyway.
2. Russell/Clarkson/Kobe/Hibbert are the starters. I don't see how this is debatable until any sudden roster transactions.
3. The only debatable part is either Bass starting or Randle. I can why Bass would start, but I would rather have Randle start to build chemistry with the core young players in the lineup.
My rotation would be simply this:
DeAngelo Russell/Jordan Clarkson/Lou Williams
Jordan Clarkson/Lou Williams/Jabari Brown
Kobe Bryant/Nick Young/Anthony Brown
Julius Randle/Brandon Bass/Larry Nance Jr.
Roy Hibbert/Tarik Black/Robert Upshaw
The most difficult part of the rotation is obviously no clear backup PG in the lineup. Which means when Clarkson and Russell start and the game goes on, eventually only one can sit out while the other has to stay in the game until the other comes back in for him (in other words, If Russell sits first, Clarkson has to stay in and take over at PG while Lou comes in at SG, or Clarkson sits first while Russell stays put at his position and Lou replaces Clarkson at SG).
We CAN'T at any point in the game have BOTH Clarkson and Russell sit out at the same time. Otherwise we will see some funky offense.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: |
We CAN'T at any point in the game have BOTH Clarkson and Russell sit out at the same time. Otherwise we will see some funky offense. |
You don't trust Randle to play point forward for us?
I think he could spell us a couple minutes a game where Clarkson and Russell both get to rest at the same time.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Megaton wrote: |
We CAN'T at any point in the game have BOTH Clarkson and Russell sit out at the same time. Otherwise we will see some funky offense. |
You don't trust Randle to play point forward for us?
I think he could spell us a couple minutes a game where Clarkson and Russell both get to rest at the same time. |
I didn't really think of that actually.
That is a good point. It's just that's also a lot more responsibility for him. And it would also require Byron to have him play to that style and not limit him strictly as a post PF.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: |
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DLo, JC, Kobe, Bass & Hibbert will most likely start....all others will fall in place according to the minutes allotted for each....
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Jordan Clarkson (24), Lou Williams (24)
DeAngelo Russell (28), Jabari Brown (14), Jordan Clarkson (6)
Kobe Bryant (28), Nick Young (20)
Julius Randle (24), Brandon Bass (24)
Roy Hibbert (28), Tarik Black (15), Robert Upshaw (5) |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Megaton wrote: |
We CAN'T at any point in the game have BOTH Clarkson and Russell sit out at the same time. Otherwise we will see some funky offense. |
You don't trust Randle to play point forward for us?
I think he could spell us a couple minutes a game where Clarkson and Russell both get to rest at the same time. |
The problems with putting Randle into a point-forward activity (with a shaky jumper):
- he is virtually zero scoring threat from up top. Can be defended for the drive only, a problem which exists already for the most natural point guard (Russell). Better instead to move Randle through areas he can score from. He's not Lamar just yet.
- he is probably fourth best ball-handler among the four smalls in the unit described. There's three guards out there with him. Use them as guards. |
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Hibbert, 28-30 min
Randle, 24-30 min
Kobe, 24-30 min
Clarkson, 32-34 min
Russell, 28-30 min
Black, 18-20 min
Bass, 18-24 min
Young, 18-24 min
JBrown, 10-12 min
William, 20-26 min |
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Time will tell, but no matter how you try to shuffle these players around it doesn't look compatible IMO. I really wish they would have re-signed Davis.
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My problem is having D'lo and Kobe play together. Kobe will want the ball to facilitate the offense. (AKA Kobe Johnson - see Kobe last game against the Cavs)
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Starting the season I would like to see a starting lineup of Clarkson, Kobe, A. Brown, Bass and Hibbert. Brown would bring the outside shooting that would be needed, and that would be a decent defensive group.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Starting the season I would like to see a starting lineup of Clarkson, Kobe, A. Brown, Bass and Hibbert. Brown would bring the outside shooting that would be needed, and that would be a decent defensive group. |
At least your on the train that D'Lo shouldn't start with Kobe.
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| diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Starting the season I would like to see a starting lineup of Clarkson, Kobe, A. Brown, Bass and Hibbert. Brown would bring the outside shooting that would be needed, and that would be a decent defensive group. |
At least your on the train that D'Lo shouldn't start with Kobe. |
Vlf comes from the school of bringing the rooks along in a measured way. I dont think hes implying that ultimately, DLo and Kobe arent a good pairing. |
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| 24 wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Starting the season I would like to see a starting lineup of Clarkson, Kobe, A. Brown, Bass and Hibbert. Brown would bring the outside shooting that would be needed, and that would be a decent defensive group. |
At least your on the train that D'Lo shouldn't start with Kobe. |
Vlf comes from the school of bringing the rooks along in a measured way. I dont think hes implying that ultimately, DLo and Kobe arent a good pairing. |
Basically we are looking at ball hog (Kobe) and ball hog Jr (DLo).
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| 24 wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Starting the season I would like to see a starting lineup of Clarkson, Kobe, A. Brown, Bass and Hibbert. Brown would bring the outside shooting that would be needed, and that would be a decent defensive group. |
At least your on the train that D'Lo shouldn't start with Kobe. |
Vlf comes from the school of bringing the rooks along in a measured way. I dont think hes implying that ultimately, DLo and Kobe arent a good pairing. |
Yes, that is why I said to start. Though if we get through the season and neither Russell or Randle are starting, I won't worry or blame Byron, or the players, or the FO. The reason I think A Brown could be a decent starter now is because he was a 4-year college player, he is 22-23 already. Plus if he can bring that shot he had in college the spacing will be much better.
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| 70sdude wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Megaton wrote: |
We CAN'T at any point in the game have BOTH Clarkson and Russell sit out at the same time. Otherwise we will see some funky offense. |
You don't trust Randle to play point forward for us?
I think he could spell us a couple minutes a game where Clarkson and Russell both get to rest at the same time. |
The problems with putting Randle into a point-forward activity (with a shaky jumper):
- he is virtually zero scoring threat from up top. Can be defended for the drive only, a problem which exists already for the most natural point guard (Russell). Better instead to move Randle through areas he can score from. He's not Lamar just yet.
- he is probably fourth best ball-handler among the four smalls in the unit described. There's three guards out there with him. Use them as guards. |
You're right about him having a shaky jumper.
I think this year could be a good learning experience. We aren't making the playoffs, so why not let him figure out point forward. It could go a long ways to making him more Lamar-like in the future.
Also I think Randle loves having the ball in his hands. Like alot of young players, Randle could end up boarding and defending better if he knows he'll have a chance to run the offense each game. Even if its for only 8 minutes in the middle of the rotation.
Surrounding him with proficient catch and shoot guys like Lou, Swaggy, and either Brown would definitely open the paint up for slashing. Have Black, Hibbert, or Bass set the pick for him and read-and-react from there.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Starting the season I would like to see a starting lineup of Clarkson, Kobe, A. Brown, Bass and Hibbert. Brown would bring the outside shooting that would be needed, and that would be a decent defensive group. |
Same starting lineup I would like to see as of today too.
- Keeps Kobe at SG, more of a paced structured unit on offense, IMO Clarkson is going to have a very good year (including an improved 3pt%) . Like the vet defensive presence and mid range abilities of Bass and Hibbert. Also would like to see a competitive SF battle with A. Brown, Holmes and Nance. Each brings something a little different to the position.
Second unit : Russell/Williams/ rookie SF runner-up or Young at times/ Randle/Black.
Second unit is more uptempo and likely dynamic when going right. Russell has some pressure off him and can distribute to some decent scorers. Randle has the freedom to rebound and push the pace a bit.
Most importantly the Lakers seem to have more versatility and depth this year. Scott has options when someone gets hurt or against a variety of lineups every night.
Health and how quickly players develop will be key. Unlike last year this roster has the players to absorb minimal mpg for Kobe and Hibbert for example. And if a player is off on any given night there is some one on the bench that can provide a spark. Also going to be interesting to see who progresses over the course of the season. If/when Russell or Randle start pushing for starting time. Or if any of the players can consistently earn SF mpg. Who steps up to sub for Hibbert (Black, Sacre or even Upshaw?) |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | diando wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Starting the season I would like to see a starting lineup of Clarkson, Kobe, A. Brown, Bass and Hibbert. Brown would bring the outside shooting that would be needed, and that would be a decent defensive group. |
At least your on the train that D'Lo shouldn't start with Kobe. |
Vlf comes from the school of bringing the rooks along in a measured way. I dont think hes implying that ultimately, DLo and Kobe arent a good pairing. |
Yes, that is why I said to start. Though if we get through the season and neither Russell or Randle are starting, I won't worry or blame Byron, or the players, or the FO. The reason I think A Brown could be a decent starter now is because he was a 4-year college player, he is 22-23 already. Plus if he can bring that shot he had in college the spacing will be much better. |
For ABrown to jump into the starting lineup, he's going to have to have an amazing training camp/preseason.
The itch will be there for Scott to go DLO/Clarkson/Kobe.
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