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 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: Michael Brown Shooting By Police Sparks Vigil, Protest, Looting And Calls For Federal Probe |
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I await the results of the investigation. There are two sides to the story.
The police say Brown pushed the officer back into his car and attempted to take his gun.
A witness says Brown put his hands up when he was shot. The officer then shot him multiple times.
People living in Ferguson say outsiders started the looting. It's been front page CNN all morning. I woke about 3:00am to see what I assume to be the beginning of the story.
Ferguson Police Department has handed to investigation to outside agencies. St Louis County, Missouri Police is the lead agency. The FBI is investigating the incident.
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| Apparently there is no video of what happened. I fear this one will never be fully understood. Its a shame. In todays racially divided America, im not sure we can take anyones word on either side of the story. |
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| shansen008 wrote: | | Apparently there is no video of what happened. I fear this one will never be fully understood. Its a shame. In todays racially divided America, im not sure we can take anyones word on either side of the story. |
Mark O'Mara said forensics will show who was telling the truth.
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| Uniformed, on duty officers should all be required to wear Google Glass or some equivalent, recording at all times. All footage streamed and held off site for a period of a few months, and accessible only through court order and never by the police themselves. I've said it many times, and I'll keep saying it. This would protect both civilians and officers alike. |
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I'm having trouble giving credence to the officer's version of events. A kid starting college on Monday is going to try to assault a police officer by shoving him back into the police car while simultaneously trying to take his gun? How does that make sense?
And even if that was true, apparently the kid was shot when he was 35 feet away from the officer, which means even if the officer's version is true, the kid had disengaged and the officer was in no immediate danger. Getting shoved and having a kid try and fail to get your gun doesn't give you license to gun him down in the street when he's 35 feet away. If he's right next to you and still trying to take your gun, sure, but unless the kid was secretly telekinetic you are pretty safe when he's three dozen feet away. |
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| mhan00 wrote: | I'm having trouble giving credence to the officer's version of events. A kid starting college on Monday is going to try to assault a police officer by shoving him back into the police car while simultaneously trying to take his gun? How does that make sense?
And even if that was true, apparently the kid was shot when he was 35 feet away from the officer, which means even if the officer's version is true, the kid had disengaged and the officer was in no immediate danger. Getting shoved and having a kid try and fail to get your gun doesn't give you license to gun him down in the street when he's 35 feet away. If he's right next to you and still trying to take your gun, sure, but unless the kid was secretly telekinetic you are pretty safe when he's three dozen feet away. |
10 years ago, my younger, naive me would believe the cops version because cops don't lie. Now I would not be surprised, and actually expect, this cop to have lied about what happened. Hopefully the looting stops so the bigger message of the protest does not go to waste. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Uniformed, on duty officers should all be required to wear Google Glass or some equivalent, recording at all times. All footage streamed and held off site for a period of a few months, and accessible only through court order and never by the police themselves. I've said it many times, and I'll keep saying it. This would protect both civilians and officers alike. |
I doubt it. There are already cameras EVERYWHERE. the first thing people do when anything happens is pull out their phones and start recording. There seems to be a new video every week of a police officer doing something they shouldn't, and it still hasn't stopped them. They don't care if they're being recorded because they know they can get away with it. It's disturbing. |
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I wish all law enforcement vehicles have the MVR (mobile recording device). I had a case where the MVR absolutely torpedoed a cop's narrative about getting probable cause for a search on a car. After reviewing the video (which he said was not working, another lie), it was not the "suspect" who had criminal charges pressed against him but the officer.
Unfortunately, the state prosecutor couldn't get a criminal conviction. Nevertheless, the MVR was as objective as you can get. And it spared someone from going to jail (though the person did have an illegal handgun, it was illegally obtained).
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I wish all law enforcement vehicles have the MVR (mobile recording device). I had a case where the MVR absolutely torpedoed a cop's narrative about getting probable cause for a search on a car. After reviewing the video (which he said was not working, another lie), it was not the "suspect" who had criminal charges pressed against him but the officer.
Unfortunately, the state prosecutor couldn't get a criminal conviction. Nevertheless, the MVR was as objective as you can get. And it spared someone from going to jail (though the person did have an illegal handgun, it was illegally obtained). |
Was Illegal search and Seizure proven? If so did he/she face any consequences because of the illegal weapon?
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Per police guidelines he had full authority to shoot and kill because the suspect had illegal amounts of black on him.
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| dvdrdiscs wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | I'm having trouble giving credence to the officer's version of events. A kid starting college on Monday is going to try to assault a police officer by shoving him back into the police car while simultaneously trying to take his gun? How does that make sense?
And even if that was true, apparently the kid was shot when he was 35 feet away from the officer, which means even if the officer's version is true, the kid had disengaged and the officer was in no immediate danger. Getting shoved and having a kid try and fail to get your gun doesn't give you license to gun him down in the street when he's 35 feet away. If he's right next to you and still trying to take your gun, sure, but unless the kid was secretly telekinetic you are pretty safe when he's three dozen feet away. |
10 years ago, my younger, naive me would believe the cops version because cops don't lie. Now I would not be surprised, and actually expect, this cop to have lied about what happened. Hopefully the looting stops so the bigger message of the protest does not go to waste. |
I learned in my teen's that cops are slimiy scumbags. Mind you not all, but alot of them are. Once i was like 16 maybe, me and a friend were walking home it was probably 1-2am and a cop came charging from some bushes and tackled my friend in the middle of the street lol the whole side of my friend was all scrapped up from the street. It was nasty. Trying to catch us with drugs or something. While, he didnt get shot and killed, there was still no reason for it, we wouldnt have ran we didnt do anything wrong besides being out late and we only lived like 4 blocks away. |
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I googled, looking for an article where the police shot and killed a unarmed White youth. I didn't find any. Does anyone in the thread have any such article links?
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Ahem, gun casings were found 35 feet away from the squad car? I don't know what actually occured, but I can plainly see that the officers version Did NOT happen.
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So many similar cases.
It pisses me off that the police do not seem to serve anyone. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | I googled, looking for an article where the police shot and killed a unarmed White youth. I didn't find any. Does anyone in the thread have any such article links? |
Salt Lake City Cop Kills 15 Year-Old Teen |
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| mhan00 wrote: | I'm having trouble giving credence to the officer's version of events. A kid starting college on Monday is going to try to assault a police officer by shoving him back into the police car while simultaneously trying to take his gun? How does that make sense?
And even if that was true, apparently the kid was shot when he was 35 feet away from the officer, which means even if the officer's version is true, the kid had disengaged and the officer was in no immediate danger. Getting shoved and having a kid try and fail to get your gun doesn't give you license to gun him down in the street when he's 35 feet away. If he's right next to you and still trying to take your gun, sure, but unless the kid was secretly telekinetic you are pretty safe when he's three dozen feet away. |
I actually have no trouble believing that a kid headed to college could be hot headed enough to do something crazy like that. It's not unreasonable to imagine.
As to the 35 feet, unless the officer felt he had a gun then that's way outside the limit. Officers are granted 20 feet when they feel their lives are in danger because a person can close the gap of 20 feet before an officer can pull and train his/her gun on them for a good shot.
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| C M B wrote: | | Per police guidelines he had full authority to shoot and kill because the suspect had illegal amounts of black on him. |
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| dvdrdiscs wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | I googled, looking for an article where the police shot and killed a unarmed White youth. I didn't find any. Does anyone in the thread have any such article links? |
Salt Lake City Cop Kills 15 Year-Old Teen |
It happens. Obviously not with anything near the frequency, but it happens.
There was a 16 year old kid from the SFV (I think) who was shot by under cover police who mistook him for a drug dealer. He was sitting in his car in a parking lot and they charged his car with guns drawn and without identifying themselves. He, for obvious reasons, got scared to death and tried to drive away. They shot him to death
There was a white guy shot in Long Beach not all that long ago. All he was doing was sitting drunk on a porch with a hose nozzle in his hand. The cops said he was pointing it like it was a weapon. They shot him to death.
It happens. And regardless of how often and to which race, it happens way too often. Perhaps it'd be better to focus on the fact that unarmed people are dying at the hands of police forces that are becoming more and more militarized. |
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| KobeBryantCliffordBrown wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | I'm having trouble giving credence to the officer's version of events. A kid starting college on Monday is going to try to assault a police officer by shoving him back into the police car while simultaneously trying to take his gun? How does that make sense?
And even if that was true, apparently the kid was shot when he was 35 feet away from the officer, which means even if the officer's version is true, the kid had disengaged and the officer was in no immediate danger. Getting shoved and having a kid try and fail to get your gun doesn't give you license to gun him down in the street when he's 35 feet away. If he's right next to you and still trying to take your gun, sure, but unless the kid was secretly telekinetic you are pretty safe when he's three dozen feet away. |
I actually have no trouble believing that a kid headed to college could be hot headed enough to do something crazy like that. It's not unreasonable to imagine.
As to the 35 feet, unless the officer felt he had a gun then that's way outside the limit. Officers are granted 20 feet when they feel their lives are in danger because a person can close the gap of 20 feet before an officer can pull and train his/her gun on them for a good shot. |
I agree completely with the bolded. It's not unimaginable at all. My problem is seeing why the kid would angry enough to put himself in harm's way like that. Something is not adding up. And it's not just the 35 feet. |
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It sounds to me like the teens probably disobeyed the cops orders to get out of the street or something and the cop stupidly overreacted and went nuts.
These guys feel a bit too free to shoot at unarmed people and do high speed traffic chases for stolen vehicles thru neighborhoods and such.
This one looks very bad, Nancy Grace is all pissed off.
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| jodeke wrote: | | shansen008 wrote: | | Apparently there is no video of what happened. I fear this one will never be fully understood. Its a shame. In todays racially divided America, im not sure we can take anyones word on either side of the story. |
Mark O'Mara said forensics will show who was telling the truth. |
Lets hope, or were you taking the opportunity to be sarcastic? |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | dvdrdiscs wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | I googled, looking for an article where the police shot and killed a unarmed White youth. I didn't find any. Does anyone in the thread have any such article links? |
Salt Lake City Cop Kills 15 Year-Old Teen |
It happens. Obviously not with anything near the frequency, but it happens.
There was a 16 year old kid from the SFV (I think) who was shot by under cover police who mistook him for a drug dealer. He was sitting in his car in a parking lot and they charged his car with guns drawn and without identifying themselves. He, for obvious reasons, got scared to death and tried to drive away. They shot him to death
There was a white guy shot in Long Beach not all that long ago. All he was doing was sitting drunk on a porch with a hose nozzle in his hand. The cops said he was pointing it like it was a weapon. They shot him to death.
It happens. And regardless of how often and to which race, it happens way too often. Perhaps it'd be better to focus on the fact that unarmed people are dying at the hands of police forces that are becoming more and more militarized. |
This is the problem right here. |
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| shansen008 wrote: | | Apparently there is no video of what happened. I fear this one will never be fully understood. Its a shame. In todays racially divided America, im not sure we can take anyones word on either side of the story. |
There is cell phone video, the police have confiscated it from a girl who was at the scene.
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