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| The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | The hard cap is 48 minutes per game. |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | The hard cap is 48 minutes per game. |
Well done...
Kobe will be playing 40+ minutes by January.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | The hard cap is 48 minutes per game. |
Well done...
Kobe will be playing 40+ minutes by January. |
sure hope he is still playing by then |
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| deal wrote: | | Lakers415 wrote: | | Only one person controls his minutes and his name isn't Byron Scott. |
A coach should always have the last word not the player (no matter what your name is), it's unfortunate BS doesn't. |
Why is why it is so funny to me that people blamed MDA for the achilles injury. Kobe waved off subs, starting from the very first game of MDA's career as a Laker. |
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Christopher C
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| BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
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| kikanga wrote: | Scott has repeatedly taken the blame for Kobe's injury last year.
And it's a favorite point to bring up amongst his detractors.
What is rarely brought up.
Kobe initially hurt his shoulder in training camp (before the season even started).
The month leading up to Kobe's dunk injury, Scott benched Kobe half of the team's games.
From December 23 - January 21 (Night of dunk injury), Scott sat Kobe 8 out of 16 games and his maximum minutes in that time period was 33.
Managing Kobe's minutes started last year, before the in-game injury occurred.
But it was too late. And that's why Scott happily takes the blame |
Yeah, people forget that Bryon deserves a lot of praise for keeping Kobe's PT last season under 36 mpg.  |
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| deal wrote: | | Lakers415 wrote: | | Only one person controls his minutes and his name isn't Byron Scott. |
A coach should always have the last word not the player (no matter what your name is), it's unfortunate BS doesn't. |
Probably in high school, maybe in college, but in the pros, it is the players who have the last word.
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| The Silhouette wrote: | | BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
Without those regular season wins there is no playoffs, so we wait until the playoffs to put the screws down and do whatever it takes to win?
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | The hard cap is 48 minutes per game. |
not a minute more. |
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Omar Little
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| marga86 wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | The hard cap is 48 minutes per game. |
not a minute more. |
Unless there is overtime.
Seriously though, I am more concerned with the minutes per rotation than total minutes. 6-8 minutes per stint is about right IMO. |
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Christopher C
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
Without those regular season wins there is no playoffs, so we wait until the playoffs to put the screws down and do whatever it takes to win? |
Yep. I look at it from the perspective of a Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich, who know that you can sacrifice several regular season wins because the long term goal is what is important. We can rest players here and there, develop the bench, let the guys play through adversity without calling a timeout. Guys like D'Antoni will treat regular season games as must wins because they aren't championship caliber coaches. D'Antoni will play a 7 or 8 man rotation and play a hobbled superstar for a chance to get bounced in the first round. |
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Omar Little
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| The Silhouette wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
Without those regular season wins there is no playoffs, so we wait until the playoffs to put the screws down and do whatever it takes to win? |
Yep. I look at it from the perspective of a Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich, who know that you can sacrifice several regular season wins because the long term goal is what is important. We can rest players here and there, develop the bench, let the guys play through adversity without calling a timeout. Guys like D'Antoni will treat regular season games as must wins because they aren't championship caliber coaches. D'Antoni will play a 7 or 8 man rotation and play a hobbled superstar for a chance to get bounced in the first round. |
In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
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Christopher C
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| 24 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
Without those regular season wins there is no playoffs, so we wait until the playoffs to put the screws down and do whatever it takes to win? |
Yep. I look at it from the perspective of a Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich, who know that you can sacrifice several regular season wins because the long term goal is what is important. We can rest players here and there, develop the bench, let the guys play through adversity without calling a timeout. Guys like D'Antoni will treat regular season games as must wins because they aren't championship caliber coaches. D'Antoni will play a 7 or 8 man rotation and play a hobbled superstar for a chance to get bounced in the first round. |
In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
I know that Phil wouldn't have been in that position in the first place. |
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| The Silhouette wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
Without those regular season wins there is no playoffs, so we wait until the playoffs to put the screws down and do whatever it takes to win? |
Yep. I look at it from the perspective of a Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich, who know that you can sacrifice several regular season wins because the long term goal is what is important. We can rest players here and there, develop the bench, let the guys play through adversity without calling a timeout. Guys like D'Antoni will treat regular season games as must wins because they aren't championship caliber coaches. D'Antoni will play a 7 or 8 man rotation and play a hobbled superstar for a chance to get bounced in the first round. |
In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
I know that Phil wouldn't have been in that position in the first place. |
Sure. Phil would have made Kobe give the ball to Howard like Shaq (what Howard was expecting), while simultaneously running the Kobe/Pau stuff and making Howard play the bynum role (what Pau was expecting), and he would have magically healed Nash and Blake (and made Blake a great tri fit despite not being able to previously), and all would have been great. |
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| 70sdude wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Scott has repeatedly taken the blame for Kobe's injury last year.
And it's a favorite point to bring up amongst his detractors.
What is rarely brought up.
Kobe initially hurt his shoulder in training camp (before the season even started).
The month leading up to Kobe's dunk injury, Scott benched Kobe half of the team's games.
From December 23 - January 21 (Night of dunk injury), Scott sat Kobe 8 out of 16 games and his maximum minutes in that time period was 33.
Managing Kobe's minutes started last year, before the in-game injury occurred.
But it was too late. And that's why Scott happily takes the blame |
Yeah, people forget that Bryon deserves a lot of praise for keeping Kobe's PT last season under 36 mpg. |
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| 24 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
I know that Phil wouldn't have been in that position in the first place. |
Sure. Phil would have made Kobe give the ball to Howard like Shaq (what Howard was expecting), while simultaneously running the Kobe/Pau stuff and making Howard play the bynum role (what Pau was expecting), and he would have magically healed Nash and Blake (and made Blake a great tri fit despite not being able to previously), and all would have been great. |
If you think Phil Jackson would have coached the same way as D'Antoni, and had the same outcome and win/loss record as D'Antoni, you don't know Phil. |
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So all we need is Jerry West. Cool beans. Where can I get one of those? Is his son a good start?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| The Silhouette wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
I know that Phil wouldn't have been in that position in the first place. |
Sure. Phil would have made Kobe give the ball to Howard like Shaq (what Howard was expecting), while simultaneously running the Kobe/Pau stuff and making Howard play the bynum role (what Pau was expecting), and he would have magically healed Nash and Blake (and made Blake a great tri fit despite not being able to previously), and all would have been great. |
If you think Phil Jackson would have coached the same way as D'Antoni, and had the same outcome and win/loss record as D'Antoni, you don't know Phil. |
I think Phil would have started off better, but leveled off and had a later issue with Pau & Kobe vs Howard. Can't say he would have a much better record, but I can see the argument for somewhat better. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| 24 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
Without those regular season wins there is no playoffs, so we wait until the playoffs to put the screws down and do whatever it takes to win? |
Yep. I look at it from the perspective of a Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich, who know that you can sacrifice several regular season wins because the long term goal is what is important. We can rest players here and there, develop the bench, let the guys play through adversity without calling a timeout. Guys like D'Antoni will treat regular season games as must wins because they aren't championship caliber coaches. D'Antoni will play a 7 or 8 man rotation and play a hobbled superstar for a chance to get bounced in the first round. |
In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
Yep. How soon we forget that Phil was sitting in the high chair when Kobe developed the reputation of being an ironman who made it a habit of playing through any injury. Truthfully no coach has ever put much effort into stopping Kobe from being Kobe. |
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| Phil would have traded away a lot of that roster |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | BruceLeroy1985 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Hope its better than MDA's, which was watching Kobe limp off twice..... |
At least that one was a must win game. Byron had Kobe playing left handed with a torn rotator cuff in a meaningless blowout. |
No game is a must win unless you are in the playoffs with a championship contending team. That was D'Antoni being a dummy and a coward. |
That is a dumb thing to say. So you think a win at that end of the season to get into the playoffs is not a must win? |
Yes, that's what I said. No regular season game in the NBA is a must win. |
Without those regular season wins there is no playoffs, so we wait until the playoffs to put the screws down and do whatever it takes to win? |
Yep. I look at it from the perspective of a Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich, who know that you can sacrifice several regular season wins because the long term goal is what is important. We can rest players here and there, develop the bench, let the guys play through adversity without calling a timeout. Guys like D'Antoni will treat regular season games as must wins because they aren't championship caliber coaches. D'Antoni will play a 7 or 8 man rotation and play a hobbled superstar for a chance to get bounced in the first round. |
In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
Yep. How soon we forget that Phil was sitting in the high chair when Kobe developed the reputation of being an ironman who made it a habit of playing through any injury. Truthfully no coach has ever put much effort into stopping Kobe from being Kobe. |
Exactly. He played through broken fingers, sprained ankles (the same injury people think caused his Achilles tear later in the game), damaged shoulders, and in Phil's final season, played on a knee so gimpy he couldn't even practice. |
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| The Silhouette wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | The Silhouette wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | In all fairness, the Lakers needed that last push just to get in, and if you think Phil Jackson isn't going to go all out to get in as well, you don't know Phil. |
I know that Phil wouldn't have been in that position in the first place. |
Sure. Phil would have made Kobe give the ball to Howard like Shaq (what Howard was expecting), while simultaneously running the Kobe/Pau stuff and making Howard play the bynum role (what Pau was expecting), and he would have magically healed Nash and Blake (and made Blake a great tri fit despite not being able to previously), and all would have been great. |
If you think Phil Jackson would have coached the same way as D'Antoni, and had the same outcome and win/loss record as D'Antoni, you don't know Phil. |
Obviously neither do you. But it is so easy to just make stuff up.
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| Sounds Kobe will be playing 2 more years. |
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