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golaker wrote: | Years defending Duncan over Kobe- tie between activeverb and ringfinger (2 years, what have you done for me lately Kobe?!) |
I'm not defending Duncan at all. I am defending logic!
Personally, I don't care about whether someone thinks Kobe is better or Duncan is better. But it irritates me to see people defend their choice in a silly way, since there is so many solid, realistic ways to make a case for either. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | For me it's the head to head results that put Kobe ahead. Kobe got the best of the Spurs in the playoffs. When both teams were built to compete for a championship, Kobe's dominated, and it was always Kobe doing the damage even on the Shaq teams.
Or, just the fact that Kobe is the better basketball player.
Either way works. |
Check out this list though.
FG% - Duncan
FG% at home games - Duncan
FG% at road games - Duncan
FG% at regular season games - Duncan
FG% at playoffs - Duncan
FG% at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Blocks - Duncan
Blocks at home games - Duncan
Blocks at road games - Duncan
Blocks at regular season games - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Off Rebounds - Duncan
Off Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Def Rebounds - Duncan
Def Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
What do you think of such list? |
Not to get too deep into this perpetul argument, but posting a bunch of big man stats and then arguing that they favor the big man in an argument between a big and a guard is kind of silly. Care to rank steals, assists, threes, PPG? |
You mean like the "Kobe" list that is the guard version of my list? Haha. (Page 15 and origin of this discussion) |
That was my point. You would rightly consider that list one-sided, illustrating why your own list is worthless. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | For me it's the head to head results that put Kobe ahead. Kobe got the best of the Spurs in the playoffs. When both teams were built to compete for a championship, Kobe's dominated, and it was always Kobe doing the damage even on the Shaq teams.
Or, just the fact that Kobe is the better basketball player.
Either way works. |
Check out this list though.
FG% - Duncan
FG% at home games - Duncan
FG% at road games - Duncan
FG% at regular season games - Duncan
FG% at playoffs - Duncan
FG% at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Blocks - Duncan
Blocks at home games - Duncan
Blocks at road games - Duncan
Blocks at regular season games - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Off Rebounds - Duncan
Off Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Def Rebounds - Duncan
Def Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
What do you think of such list? |
Not to get too deep into this perpetul argument, but posting a bunch of big man stats and then arguing that they favor the big man in an argument between a big and a guard is kind of silly. Care to rank steals, assists, threes, PPG? |
You mean like the "Kobe" list that is the guard version of my list? Haha. (Page 15 and origin of this discussion) |
That was my point. You would rightly consider that list one-sided, illustrating why your own list is worthless. |
That was the point: He was providing a one-sided Duncan list to satirize the silliness of the one-sided Kobe list. |
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Andre2K Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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No Spurs fan would ever defend Kobe to these lengths on spurstalk, so how this thread became a Tim Duncan slob fest on beyond me, keep it up guys all the trolls would be happy with this discussion _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | For me it's the head to head results that put Kobe ahead. Kobe got the best of the Spurs in the playoffs. When both teams were built to compete for a championship, Kobe's dominated, and it was always Kobe doing the damage even on the Shaq teams.
Or, just the fact that Kobe is the better basketball player.
Either way works. |
Check out this list though.
FG% - Duncan
FG% at home games - Duncan
FG% at road games - Duncan
FG% at regular season games - Duncan
FG% at playoffs - Duncan
FG% at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Blocks - Duncan
Blocks at home games - Duncan
Blocks at road games - Duncan
Blocks at regular season games - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Off Rebounds - Duncan
Off Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Def Rebounds - Duncan
Def Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
What do you think of such list? |
Not to get too deep into this perpetul argument, but posting a bunch of big man stats and then arguing that they favor the big man in an argument between a big and a guard is kind of silly. Care to rank steals, assists, threes, PPG? |
You mean like the "Kobe" list that is the guard version of my list? Haha. (Page 15 and origin of this discussion) |
That was my point. You would rightly consider that list one-sided, illustrating why your own list is worthless. |
That was the point: He was providing a one-sided Duncan list to satirize the silliness of the one-sided Kobe list. |
The point that you and ringfinger are missing is that I asked politely that if you don't like the original list than add to it and let's make this a legitimate comparison on paper.
Instead, you're both acting like children and just arguing for the sake of arguing. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | For me it's the head to head results that put Kobe ahead. Kobe got the best of the Spurs in the playoffs. When both teams were built to compete for a championship, Kobe's dominated, and it was always Kobe doing the damage even on the Shaq teams.
Or, just the fact that Kobe is the better basketball player.
Either way works. |
Check out this list though.
FG% - Duncan
FG% at home games - Duncan
FG% at road games - Duncan
FG% at regular season games - Duncan
FG% at playoffs - Duncan
FG% at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Blocks - Duncan
Blocks at home games - Duncan
Blocks at road games - Duncan
Blocks at regular season games - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Off Rebounds - Duncan
Off Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Def Rebounds - Duncan
Def Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
What do you think of such list? |
Not to get too deep into this perpetul argument, but posting a bunch of big man stats and then arguing that they favor the big man in an argument between a big and a guard is kind of silly. Care to rank steals, assists, threes, PPG? |
You mean like the "Kobe" list that is the guard version of my list? Haha. (Page 15 and origin of this discussion) |
That was my point. You would rightly consider that list one-sided, illustrating why your own list is worthless. |
That was the point: He was providing a one-sided Duncan list to satirize the silliness of the one-sided Kobe list. |
Fair enough. That is why these discussions tend to not be productive, both from their subjectivity by definition, and the fact that they are repeatedly prosecuted by people with the same, pretty transparent biases. |
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sniper008 wrote: | No Spurs fan would ever defend Kobe to these lengths on spurstalk, so how this thread became a Tim Duncan slob fest on beyond me, keep it up guys all the trolls would be happy with this discussion |
This has nothing to do with Duncan.
There are posters who will always go against Kobe, today it's Duncan, yesterday it was Shaq, tomorrow it'll be Russell.
There's a pattern if you pay attention. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | Fair enough. That is why these discussions tend to not be productive, both from their subjectivity by definition, and the fact that they are repeatedly prosecuted by people with the same, pretty transparent biases. |
That's true. People get hyper-emotional about this topic, and when that happens logic flies out the door, making a discussion all but impossible. Too bad. |
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Andre2K Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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golaker wrote: | Sniper008 wrote: | No Spurs fan would ever defend Kobe to these lengths on spurstalk, so how this thread became a Tim Duncan slob fest on beyond me, keep it up guys all the trolls would be happy with this discussion |
This has nothing to do with Duncan.
There are posters who will always go against Kobe, today it's Duncan, yesterday it was Shaq, tomorrow it'll be Russell.
There's a pattern if you pay attention. |
The fact that it is Duncan right now makes me wanna puke, its just sad what the Lakers front office has done. Kobe was the undisputed player of his generation just 4 years ago. But now even Laker fans have gotten delusional in the name of being the objective fan. _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
Pg Lonzo
Sg Kawhi
Sf Ingram
Pf Lebron
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golaker Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Sniper008 wrote: | golaker wrote: | Sniper008 wrote: | No Spurs fan would ever defend Kobe to these lengths on spurstalk, so how this thread became a Tim Duncan slob fest on beyond me, keep it up guys all the trolls would be happy with this discussion |
This has nothing to do with Duncan.
There are posters who will always go against Kobe, today it's Duncan, yesterday it was Shaq, tomorrow it'll be Russell.
There's a pattern if you pay attention. |
The fact that it is Duncan right now makes me wanna puke, its just sad what the Lakers front office has done. Kobe was the undisputed player of his generation just 4 years ago. But now even Laker fans have gotten delusional in the name of being the objective fan. |
It'll pass. Kobe will be remembered for his greatness, not for his injury riddled 19th and 20th seasons.
When they ask any of the basketball greats you'll always hear Kobe in front of Duncan, it's only a topic now because Duncan is active on a championship team.
This won't be a real debate in a few years. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | For me it's the head to head results that put Kobe ahead. Kobe got the best of the Spurs in the playoffs. When both teams were built to compete for a championship, Kobe's dominated, and it was always Kobe doing the damage even on the Shaq teams.
Or, just the fact that Kobe is the better basketball player.
Either way works. |
Check out this list though.
FG% - Duncan
FG% at home games - Duncan
FG% at road games - Duncan
FG% at regular season games - Duncan
FG% at playoffs - Duncan
FG% at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Blocks - Duncan
Blocks at home games - Duncan
Blocks at road games - Duncan
Blocks at regular season games - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Off Rebounds - Duncan
Off Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Def Rebounds - Duncan
Def Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
What do you think of such list? |
Not to get too deep into this perpetul argument, but posting a bunch of big man stats and then arguing that they favor the big man in an argument between a big and a guard is kind of silly. Care to rank steals, assists, threes, PPG? |
You mean like the "Kobe" list that is the guard version of my list? Haha. (Page 15 and origin of this discussion) |
That was my point. You would rightly consider that list one-sided, illustrating why your own list is worthless. |
This list was intended to be silly because the original list on page 15 was silly. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | For me it's the head to head results that put Kobe ahead. Kobe got the best of the Spurs in the playoffs. When both teams were built to compete for a championship, Kobe's dominated, and it was always Kobe doing the damage even on the Shaq teams.
Or, just the fact that Kobe is the better basketball player.
Either way works. |
Check out this list though.
FG% - Duncan
FG% at home games - Duncan
FG% at road games - Duncan
FG% at regular season games - Duncan
FG% at playoffs - Duncan
FG% at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Blocks - Duncan
Blocks at home games - Duncan
Blocks at road games - Duncan
Blocks at regular season games - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Off Rebounds - Duncan
Off Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Def Rebounds - Duncan
Def Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
What do you think of such list? |
Not to get too deep into this perpetul argument, but posting a bunch of big man stats and then arguing that they favor the big man in an argument between a big and a guard is kind of silly. Care to rank steals, assists, threes, PPG? |
You mean like the "Kobe" list that is the guard version of my list? Haha. (Page 15 and origin of this discussion) |
That was my point. You would rightly consider that list one-sided, illustrating why your own list is worthless. |
This list was intended to be silly because the original list on page 15 was silly. |
Yeah, and like I said, the arguments both ways tend to get pretty silly. |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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24 wrote: | KBH wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | 24 wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | For me it's the head to head results that put Kobe ahead. Kobe got the best of the Spurs in the playoffs. When both teams were built to compete for a championship, Kobe's dominated, and it was always Kobe doing the damage even on the Shaq teams.
Or, just the fact that Kobe is the better basketball player.
Either way works. |
Check out this list though.
FG% - Duncan
FG% at home games - Duncan
FG% at road games - Duncan
FG% at regular season games - Duncan
FG% at playoffs - Duncan
FG% at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Blocks - Duncan
Blocks at home games - Duncan
Blocks at road games - Duncan
Blocks at regular season games - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs - Duncan
Blocks at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Off Rebounds - Duncan
Off Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Off Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
Def Rebounds - Duncan
Def Rebounds at home games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at road games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at regular season games - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs - Duncan
Def Rebounds at playoffs + regular season - Duncan
What do you think of such list? |
Not to get too deep into this perpetul argument, but posting a bunch of big man stats and then arguing that they favor the big man in an argument between a big and a guard is kind of silly. Care to rank steals, assists, threes, PPG? |
You mean like the "Kobe" list that is the guard version of my list? Haha. (Page 15 and origin of this discussion) |
That was my point. You would rightly consider that list one-sided, illustrating why your own list is worthless. |
This list was intended to be silly because the original list on page 15 was silly. |
Yeah, and like I said, the arguments both ways tend to get pretty silly. |
No argument there. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Sniper008 wrote: | golaker wrote: | Sniper008 wrote: | No Spurs fan would ever defend Kobe to these lengths on spurstalk, so how this thread became a Tim Duncan slob fest on beyond me, keep it up guys all the trolls would be happy with this discussion |
This has nothing to do with Duncan.
There are posters who will always go against Kobe, today it's Duncan, yesterday it was Shaq, tomorrow it'll be Russell.
There's a pattern if you pay attention. |
The fact that it is Duncan right now makes me wanna puke, its just sad what the Lakers front office has done. Kobe was the undisputed player of his generation just 4 years ago. But now even Laker fans have gotten delusional in the name of being the objective fan. |
I think it's fair to say that Kobe is regarded as the best player of the 2000-09 decade, in part because his highest career accomplishments fit nearly into that decade (he won a ring in 2000 and 2009).
But if you are considering their careers as a whole, Duncan has more accomplishments before and after that decade. His winning this most recent ring to tie Kobe was a factor for some people but for as long as I can remember there's been no real consensus in the Shaq-Duncan-Kobe debate.
However, Kobe probably did get some pop from some people four years ago when he won back-to-back rings. But this stuff is fluid, especially when guys are still playing and accruing career accomplishments. Will be interesting to see if that changes 10 years from now when the dust has settled and the emotions have calmed down. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
IMO, this is mainly due to the low of Kobe's career are so damn bad, compared to Duncan's. Also his personality & attitude doesn't make him very likable to them neutrals. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
IMO, this is mainly due to the low of Kobe's career are so damn bad, compared to Duncan's. Also his personality & attitude doesn't make him very likable to them neutrals. |
First of all, I think it's important to note that even if people are putting Duncan higher than Kobe it's by a sliver.
If Duncan is ranked higher than Kobe (and you can debate that), the reasons can be debated too.
Duncan certainly gets kudos for consistency and performance over the course of his career, starting with his rookie season.
Kobe probably wins the high points in most people's minds. And Kobe has always been a divisive personality, which probably hurts him a bit (although you can argue that means he's being penalized for non-basketball stuff and so he's ranked higher solely for on-the-court stuff).
I think anyone who pretends that there are any absolutes in this, whether they favor Duncan or Kobe, are wrong. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
IMO, this is mainly due to the low of Kobe's career are so damn bad, compared to Duncan's. Also his personality & attitude doesn't make him very likable to them neutrals. |
I think it all depends on how you define it. It isn't easy.
Better career? Duncan IMO. Never missed the playoffs, never had worse than a 50-win season, multiple championships, MVPs, played defense his entire career. It's rare for a player to be in the championship conversation every year for 2 decades.
Better player? I'm going with Kobe. Kobe in his prime was so ridiculous he was doing things that were beyond even that of a once-in-a-generation player.
But the better players don't always have the better careers. And some of that is a factor of luck, and some of that is self-inflicted. |
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golaker Star Player
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ringfinger wrote: | 24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
IMO, this is mainly due to the low of Kobe's career are so damn bad, compared to Duncan's. Also his personality & attitude doesn't make him very likable to them neutrals. |
I think it all depends on how you define it. It isn't easy.
Better career? Duncan IMO. Never missed the playoffs, never had worse than a 50-win season, multiple championships, MVPs, played defense his entire career. It's rare for a player to be in the championship conversation every year for 2 decades.
Better player? I'm going with Kobe. Kobe in his prime was so ridiculous he was doing things that were beyond even that of a once-in-a-generation player.
But the better players don't always have the better careers. And some of that is a factor of luck, and some of that is self-inflicted. |
That's fair. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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Andre2K Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
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Most neutrals are Laker haters, they're already calling D'Angelo a bust and Philly lucky for drafting Okafor, but prior to the draft D'Angelo was the best thing since slice bread while Okafor was the one that will struggle against NBA length and doesn't play defense. Everyone has their own bias no matter how objective they try to sound _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
Pg Lonzo
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Pf Lebron
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Sniper008 wrote: | 24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
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Most neutrals are Laker haters, they're already calling D'Angelo a bust and Philly lucky for drafting Okafor, but prior to the draft D'Angelo was the best thing since slice bread while Okafor was the one that will struggle against NBA length and doesn't play defense. Everyone has their own bias no matter how objective they try to sound |
If they are Laker haters they wouldn't be neutrals. And to be fair, Laker fans on this board are calling DLo a bust.
You're right though -- everyone has some kind of bias but clearly, some more than others. |
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golaker Star Player
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Sniper008 wrote: | 24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
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Most neutrals are Laker haters, they're already calling D'Angelo a bust and Philly lucky for drafting Okafor, but prior to the draft D'Angelo was the best thing since slice bread while Okafor was the one that will struggle against NBA length and doesn't play defense. Everyone has their own bias no matter how objective they try to sound |
Ain't that the truth. And the best part? They're Laker haters because of how many times their teams got torched or a game winning shot hit on them by Kobe Bryant. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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golaker wrote: | Sniper008 wrote: | 24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
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Most neutrals are Laker haters, they're already calling D'Angelo a bust and Philly lucky for drafting Okafor, but prior to the draft D'Angelo was the best thing since slice bread while Okafor was the one that will struggle against NBA length and doesn't play defense. Everyone has their own bias no matter how objective they try to sound |
Ain't that the truth. And the best part? They're Laker haters because of how many times their teams got torched or a game winning shot hit on them by Kobe Bryant. |
Then they wouldn't be neutrals. |
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golaker Star Player
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ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | Sniper008 wrote: | 24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
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Most neutrals are Laker haters, they're already calling D'Angelo a bust and Philly lucky for drafting Okafor, but prior to the draft D'Angelo was the best thing since slice bread while Okafor was the one that will struggle against NBA length and doesn't play defense. Everyone has their own bias no matter how objective they try to sound |
Ain't that the truth. And the best part? They're Laker haters because of how many times their teams got torched or a game winning shot hit on them by Kobe Bryant. |
Then they wouldn't be neutrals. |
Neutrals in this context was defined as "non laker-spur fanboys". Read the first quoted post. _________________ Maybe you think it's completely innocent. Maybe you don't. But there's no denying that what the rule book says means a lot less than what the NBA wants at any given moment. -Tim Donaghy |
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golaker wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | golaker wrote: | Sniper008 wrote: | 24LaterMurus wrote: | For whats it's worth, most neutral fans (non laker-spur fanboys) are putting Tim higher than Kobe in the ATG list.
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Most neutrals are Laker haters, they're already calling D'Angelo a bust and Philly lucky for drafting Okafor, but prior to the draft D'Angelo was the best thing since slice bread while Okafor was the one that will struggle against NBA length and doesn't play defense. Everyone has their own bias no matter how objective they try to sound |
Ain't that the truth. And the best part? They're Laker haters because of how many times their teams got torched or a game winning shot hit on them by Kobe Bryant. |
Then they wouldn't be neutrals. |
Neutrals in this context was defined as "non laker-spur fanboys". Read the first quoted post. |
I thought he was just giving an example. i'm pretty sure he meant non Lakers/Spurs fanboys or Lakers/Spurs haters. That would make a lot more sense. |
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golaker wrote: |
The point that you and ringfinger are missing is that I asked politely that if you don't like the original list than add to it and let's make this a legitimate comparison on paper. |
Revising and editing that lousy list isn't project I'd spend my time on, but if it interests you, go ahead. |
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