Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 8518 Location: Left coast
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:04 pm Post subject:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
22 wrote:
LakerRush wrote:
Bringing in Murray as a specialist assistant (shooting coach) is a nice move in the sense that it directly benefits the players. It's also a position of hire that other teams have invested in, but I don't recall us having a shooting coach on payroll since Ed Palubinskas in the 2000-2001 season (mainly for Shaq).
We had Craig Hodges for awhile
And Chuck Person.
And Rambis.
...and Madsen. Maybe that's why they didn't win last year.
I like Murray's jumpshot! One of those modern set shots, Randle and Russell both shoot something of set shots. Excited to see if he can help them out
Haven't seen much of Worthy play but from what I've seen he was a really observant, oppurunistic driver out of the mid post - he'd be patient on his move to catch you sleeping, he'd hit you with multiple fakes , and he'd sneak in layups which Randle could really use to figure out how to do. (When Worthy wasn't dunking on guys)
Underrated post game. But this was back in the day when even role players and journeyman had post games and drop steps. Nowadays it's considered 'special' to have it in your game.
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 8488 Location: The (real) short corner
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:54 am Post subject:
pjiddy wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
22 wrote:
LakerRush wrote:
Bringing in Murray as a specialist assistant (shooting coach) is a nice move in the sense that it directly benefits the players. It's also a position of hire that other teams have invested in, but I don't recall us having a shooting coach on payroll since Ed Palubinskas in the 2000-2001 season (mainly for Shaq).
We had Craig Hodges for awhile
And Chuck Person.
And Rambis.
I believe Rambis was our "defensive coordinator."
Rambis also served as our shooting coach under Phil at one point.
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 8488 Location: The (real) short corner
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:56 am Post subject:
silkwilkes wrote:
Tracy Murray is one of the best pure shooters i have ever seen. He looked like Dell Curry to me. Same mold. No athleticism whatsoever unfortunately... but if he had any room to shoot, it was money in the bank.
I went to one of Magic's summer charity games back in the day. Before the game, Murray was standing near the midcourt line launching shot after shot. I think he hit every single one.
Bringing in Murray as a specialist assistant (shooting coach) is a nice move in the sense that it directly benefits the players. It's also a position of hire that other teams have invested in, but I don't recall us having a shooting coach on payroll since Ed Palubinskas in the 2000-2001 season (mainly for Shaq).
We had Craig Hodges for awhile
And Chuck Person.
And Rambis.
I believe Rambis was our "defensive coordinator."
Rambis also served as our shooting coach under Phil at one point.
Was he? Wasn't all Craig Hodges as the Lakers' shooting coach?
I hope Nance Jr. works with him. He seems like the one who would benefit the most. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:19 am Post subject:
Maybe Tracey Murray can teach Ryan Kelly how to be an unathletic yet useful player. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90307 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:06 am Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
24 wrote:
Shows you what LA thinks of Randle, having MWP and Worthy to develop him.
If Randle ever gets Worthy's spin move from the mid-post..
He already has a nice spin back to his left. If he can spin right and hit a little jumper over each shoulder, he will be murder.
18 foot face up to be a triple threat.
Spin each way to put a man on his back.
Finishing move with either hand.
Step back off the probing dribble or spin.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:12 am Post subject:
24 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
24 wrote:
Shows you what LA thinks of Randle, having MWP and Worthy to develop him.
If Randle ever gets Worthy's spin move from the mid-post..
He already has a nice spin back to his left. If he can spin right and hit a little jumper over each shoulder, he will be murder.
18 foot face up to be a triple threat.
Spin each way to put a man on his back.
Finishing move with either hand.
Step back off the probing dribble or spin.
AND he likes to pass and be a playmaker.
That's a nice set of skills. _________________ Everything. Changes.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:47 am Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
Maybe Tracey Murray can teach Ryan Kelly how to be an unathletic yet useful player.
I think Kelly needs to just get that 3pt shooting percentage up to be somewhat useful to most teams. He's already shown he can attack the closeout and finish, as well as move the ball. Unfortunately, I don't think it will happen with these Lakers.
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90307 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:13 am Post subject:
fiendishoc wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Maybe Tracey Murray can teach Ryan Kelly how to be an unathletic yet useful player.
I think Kelly needs to just get that 3pt shooting percentage up to be somewhat useful to most teams. He's already shown he can attack the closeout and finish, as well as move the ball. Unfortunately, I don't think it will happen with these Lakers.
Biggest problem for him is if someone like Holmes, with better athleticism and defensive clay, is able to hit the 3.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:27 am Post subject:
Holmes shot a worse percentage at the NCAA level, but very well during the Summer Pro League.
What really stands out is, Kelly is 2" taller with a 9'2" standing reach. That's pretty standard for a modern PF. Athletically, I'd almost say it's a wash. What Holmes may add defensively with lateral movement, Kelly adds with extra height and standing reach.
Holmes has a quicker release, but Kelly's release is just as good, and he's more adept to putting the ball on the floor, protecting the basketball, and making the right play. His 2x hamstring injuries last year flat out hurt his game.
Where Holmes stands out is rebounding. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90307 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:59 am Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
Holmes shot a worse percentage at the NCAA level, but very well during the Summer Pro League.
What really stands out is, Kelly is 2" taller with a 9'2" standing reach. That's pretty standard for a modern PF. Athletically, I'd almost say it's a wash. What Holmes may add defensively with lateral movement, Kelly adds with extra height and standing reach.
Holmes has a quicker release, but Kelly's release is just as good, and he's more adept to putting the ball on the floor, protecting the basketball, and making the right play. His 2x hamstring injuries last year flat out hurt his game.
Where Holmes stands out is rebounding.
Holmes may also be able to play some 3 against bigger opponents as well.
Holmes shot a worse percentage at the NCAA level, but very well during the Summer Pro League.
What really stands out is, Kelly is 2" taller with a 9'2" standing reach. That's pretty standard for a modern PF. Athletically, I'd almost say it's a wash. What Holmes may add defensively with lateral movement, Kelly adds with extra height and standing reach.
Holmes has a quicker release, but Kelly's release is just as good, and he's more adept to putting the ball on the floor, protecting the basketball, and making the right play. His 2x hamstring injuries last year flat out hurt his game.
Where Holmes stands out is rebounding.
Holmes may also be able to play some 3 against bigger opponents as well.
I value this because i think Randle could use to be moved between the 4 and the 3 occasionally on D
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:44 pm Post subject:
Simply put, I don't trust Randle defending SFs. Holmes has some versatility because of his lateral quickness and solid length.
It wouldn't be pretty for a frontline, but I do expect the Lakers to run small lineups with a power frontcourt utilizing Randle and MWP for a few stints. That allows them to play small, but stay very physical in the paint. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
There are certain guys who just "get it". When Steve Kerr was commentating, or doing phone interviews on the radio, you could tell he knew his stuff - Jeff Van Gundy is another guy who you know definitely knows his (bleep). I feel similarly about Worthy, so this is a very good hire.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:08 pm Post subject:
Lakerfan 4 Life wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
ocho wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
22 wrote:
LakerRush wrote:
Bringing in Murray as a specialist assistant (shooting coach) is a nice move in the sense that it directly benefits the players. It's also a position of hire that other teams have invested in, but I don't recall us having a shooting coach on payroll since Ed Palubinskas in the 2000-2001 season (mainly for Shaq).
We had Craig Hodges for awhile
And Chuck Person.
And Rambis.
I believe Rambis was our "defensive coordinator."
Rambis also served as our shooting coach under Phil at one point.
Was he? Wasn't all Craig Hodges as the Lakers' shooting coach?
Yeah, I remember Craig being the designated shooting coach, under Phil.
Thing is, with Paul Pressey and Byron, it's not like the Lakers really needed a designated "shooting" coach. Both Pressey and Byron were extremely good shooters in their days as players. _________________ Just chill and watch the new Dynasty evolve...
Time for the Lakers to create a whole new legacy! We want 10 more trophies boys!
Also would note, that if Byron was not here, Worthy likely wouldn't be doing this.
I think the ties to Byron are a big reason why we have James as Player Development Coach right now. You sure as heck know that Worthy wouldn't be doing this for D'antoni
And this is the part that a lot of fans that are not in love with Scott dont necessarily think about. Bscott comes with benefits.
#1 he actually knows what it means to be a laker and a multiple time champion laker in los angeles. this is not the same as winning a ring once in detroit.
#2 the teams he won with are full of legends that have gone on to do great things. Darn near all of them are still around basketball and doing great things. its a frat of the highest order. Laker Phi Theta .
if we could get magic to stop moving around for one moment lol, we might be able to get him to tutor Russell. I think if magic sees the kid is legit, especially with his floor general game. He might just give the kid some tips.
The beauty of these moves are we have guys that fit perfectly for our players. James could help anyone. But like hibbert said about training with Cap. he chose cap over say an athletic quick big like the dream, since cap played more methodical like hib does.
Julius Randle's game at its best will be James worth/ a little more passing mixed in. He's a PF, thats quick enough to play SF. They fit like a glove. same with metta and randle. quick, strong, PF/SF body types.
The fat that james and metta were both above average to great defenders makes it even better. If randle cant get it right with these two in his ear and helping him daily. He aint the one. It's really that simple.
Murray on shooting. you know who needs this most? Nick young. to get more consistency on his shot. Trace was a hired gun too. But he stayed in the league for a long time. and i'm telling you from experience old man tracy can still shoot it with the best of them from DEEEEP.
This is something these Free agents should think about when the lakers make their offer to them. Look at how the lakers take care of their own. We are allowing big game to double dip. we are paying metta to more or less tutor our guy, we've paid kareem to tutor drew. At the drop of a dime we can make a phone call to a Legendary player at any position 1 - 5 and said player can come help you out. What other team can do that? There is no other team that has that ability. This is why its funny when new fans say stuff like "The lakers can no longer hold onto the old days. haaa haaa. you're crazy. We have legends. You never let go of guys that are walking statues. But, only highly intelligent/aware players will understand this side of things.
Simply put, I don't trust Randle defending SFs. Holmes has some versatility because of his lateral quickness and solid length.
It wouldn't be pretty for a frontline, but I do expect the Lakers to run small lineups with a power frontcourt utilizing Randle and MWP for a few stints. That allows them to play small, but stay very physical in the paint.
Mike i'm with you on not trusting randle playing sf defense. if randle was a defender by nature already. then yes. but since thats not the case. I'm afraid. It's not that he isnt quick enough to deal with most sf's. he is. but who cares if he doesnt know how to use it. You have to learn angles but also anticipation.
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