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Disclaimer: I'm a Kawhi fan ... but damn, these Warriors are such a disquieting collection of (bleep). Between the dirty play on the court, the entitlement and blatant abuse of any official who dares to whistle them on obvious fouls, the obnoxious fans at the OA, etc. ... really, other than the coaching staff, Klay and Barnes, everyone in that building has a completely punchable face.

They're very good, but (bleep) ...


Newsflash: every championship team since ever has played dirty. You just aren't going to win otherwise because the other guy will play dirty too. Review Lakers-Celtics 2008 vs Lakers-Celtics 2010. Every championship team since ever has been entitled and they have all whined about the officiating. And every championship team that isn't your own has obnoxious fans. And you're supposed to pretty much think the guys on the other team have punchable faces. Welcome to fandom.


Other than Rasheed Wallace, I disagree ... and that's one guy in almost 35 years of watching NBA action. The Warriors seem to exceed anything that I've seen previously (with respect to the dirty play, persistent complaining on the court after every adverse call [of which there seem to be unusually few anyway], obnoxious fans, etc.) ...
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Based on his current average of 20 FGA per game, Curry will need to go 25/60 in the last three games to finish at 50% for the season.
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I believe the Warriors will win out and go 73-9.


No disrespect to Memphis, but this will mostly depend on which players suit up for the Spurs on Sunday. And it's a b2b game for GS. But if GS loses to Memphis on Saturday, it'll be interesting to see how badly they will even want to tie the record at that point.

Congrats to them for reaching 70 wins. Well done.
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The Rockets are truly tragic.
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The Rockets are truly tragic.


Bulls are their counterpart in the East.
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I was on the Bulls reddit subpage and man they are crucifying Pau for being soft and messing up the never give up Bull attitude.
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I was on the Bulls reddit subpage and man they are crucifying Pau for being soft and messing up the never give up Bull attitude.


Bulls management messed that up by firing the coach that brought it to them in the first place.
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The Rockets are truly tragic.


Bulls are their counterpart in the East.


Sadly yes. Although I'm glad their (bleep), whiny, online fan base is suffering as they are. They don't deserve to win ish.
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Based on his current average of 20 FGA per game, Curry will need to go 25/60 in the last three games to finish at 50% for the season.

Curry also has 385 made 3ptrs for the year
he'd need 15 more in the final 3 games to reach 400

The next closest guy on the "made 3ptrs in a season" list that's not Steph Curry is Ray Allen with 269 (#4) - so, Curry is way in the hell beyond that already, with 3 more games to go.

Klay Thompson has 266 3's this season, so it's likely he's going to bump Ray down to 5th on that list - Curry and Klay will hold the top 4 spots on that list

it'll be interesting to see how that shakes out too
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Bulls are their counterpart in the East.


Sadly yes. Although I'm glad their (bleep), whiny, online fan base is suffering as they are. They don't deserve to win ish.


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Disclaimer: I'm a Kawhi fan ... but damn, these Warriors are such a disquieting collection of (bleep). Between the dirty play on the court, the entitlement and blatant abuse of any official who dares to whistle them on obvious fouls, the obnoxious fans at the OA, etc. ... really, other than the coaching staff, Klay and Barnes, everyone in that building has a completely punchable face.

They're very good, but (bleep) ...


Newsflash: every championship team since ever has played dirty. You just aren't going to win otherwise because the other guy will play dirty too. Review Lakers-Celtics 2008 vs Lakers-Celtics 2010. Every championship team since ever has been entitled and they have all whined about the officiating. And every championship team that isn't your own has obnoxious fans. And you're supposed to pretty much think the guys on the other team have punchable faces. Welcome to fandom.


Other than Rasheed Wallace, I disagree ... and that's one guy in almost 35 years of watching NBA action. The Warriors seem to exceed anything that I've seen previously (with respect to the dirty play, persistent complaining on the court after every adverse call [of which there seem to be unusually few anyway], obnoxious fans, etc.) ...


Draymond is by far the worst offender. Sets illegal screen after illegal screen, hacks players on drives, and will explode if a call goes against him.
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RG73 wrote:
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Disclaimer: I'm a Kawhi fan ... but damn, these Warriors are such a disquieting collection of (bleep). Between the dirty play on the court, the entitlement and blatant abuse of any official who dares to whistle them on obvious fouls, the obnoxious fans at the OA, etc. ... really, other than the coaching staff, Klay and Barnes, everyone in that building has a completely punchable face.

They're very good, but (bleep) ...


Newsflash: every championship team since ever has played dirty. You just aren't going to win otherwise because the other guy will play dirty too. Review Lakers-Celtics 2008 vs Lakers-Celtics 2010. Every championship team since ever has been entitled and they have all whined about the officiating. And every championship team that isn't your own has obnoxious fans. And you're supposed to pretty much think the guys on the other team have punchable faces. Welcome to fandom.


Other than Rasheed Wallace, I disagree ... and that's one guy in almost 35 years of watching NBA action. The Warriors seem to exceed anything that I've seen previously (with respect to the dirty play, persistent complaining on the court after every adverse call [of which there seem to be unusually few anyway], obnoxious fans, etc.) ...


Draymond is by far the worst offender. Sets illegal screen after illegal screen, hacks players on drives, and will explode if a call goes against him.


Agreed ... he seemingly hacks and sets illegal screens through every game with near impunity. His meltdown following his second personal foul call on Thursday night is a perfect example. I cannot think of any player who could have made it through that display without being escorted to the locker room by security immediately afterward. In fact, he's given such wide latitude for objectionable conduct on the court, I guess he would foul out of most games if he faced the officiating others face every day. LeBron doesn't receive this favorable treatment. Kobe didn't receive this favorable treatment. Michael Jordan didn't receive this favorable treatment. But Draymond Green does?

Maybe part of it is the other end of the dilemma Shaq faced for most of his career. By virtue of size, it was assumed that she could take more abuse before a foul was called (in contrast to players of smaller stature). I guess Draymond is allowed to get away with so much because he's shorter than some of the players he's tasked with guarding, and he's considered an overachiever, and the Warriors are the NBA's golden children? In a way, it reminds me of the leeway I've seen when a girl's ambitious parents insist on placing her in a boy's league for team sports (at least on the rec. side). None of the officials seem to know what to do with their whistles when she inevitably commits foul after foul with apparently no consequence. I guess there's a social conditioning involved in that case? Regardless, it's (bleep)-up that Draymond gets away with that conduct, loses his mind the 1x in 10 when he's called for it, and then adds a degree of hubris on the top that makes liking his team so difficult ...

Based on Section V(c)(3) [Overt actions indicating resentment to a call] alone, he should probably have at least 200 - 250 technical fouls this season by now ...
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the association wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
the association wrote:
RG73 wrote:
the association wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm a Kawhi fan ... but damn, these Warriors are such a disquieting collection of (bleep). Between the dirty play on the court, the entitlement and blatant abuse of any official who dares to whistle them on obvious fouls, the obnoxious fans at the OA, etc. ... really, other than the coaching staff, Klay and Barnes, everyone in that building has a completely punchable face.

They're very good, but (bleep) ...


Newsflash: every championship team since ever has played dirty. You just aren't going to win otherwise because the other guy will play dirty too. Review Lakers-Celtics 2008 vs Lakers-Celtics 2010. Every championship team since ever has been entitled and they have all whined about the officiating. And every championship team that isn't your own has obnoxious fans. And you're supposed to pretty much think the guys on the other team have punchable faces. Welcome to fandom.


Other than Rasheed Wallace, I disagree ... and that's one guy in almost 35 years of watching NBA action. The Warriors seem to exceed anything that I've seen previously (with respect to the dirty play, persistent complaining on the court after every adverse call [of which there seem to be unusually few anyway], obnoxious fans, etc.) ...


Draymond is by far the worst offender. Sets illegal screen after illegal screen, hacks players on drives, and will explode if a call goes against him.


Agreed ... he seemingly hacks and sets illegal screens through every game with near impunity. His meltdown following his second personal foul call on Thursday night is a perfect example. I cannot think of any player who could have made it through that display without being escorted to the locker room by security immediately afterward. In fact, he's given such wide latitude for objectionable conduct on the court, I guess he would foul out of most games if he faced the officiating others face every day. LeBron doesn't receive this favorable treatment. Kobe didn't receive this favorable treatment. Michael Jordan didn't receive this favorable treatment. But Draymond Green does?

Maybe part of it is the other end of the dilemma Shaq faced for most of his career. By virtue of size, it was assumed that she could take more abuse before a foul was called (in contrast to players of smaller stature). I guess Draymond is allowed to get away with so much because he's shorter than some of the players he's tasked with guarding, and he's considered an overachiever, and the Warriors are the NBA's golden children? In a way, it reminds me of the leeway I've seen when a girl's ambitious parents insist on placing her in a boy's league for team sports (at least on the rec. side). None of the officials seem to know what to do with their whistles when she inevitably commits foul after foul with apparently no consequence. I guess there's a social conditioning involved in that case? Regardless, it's (bleep)-up that Draymond gets away with that conduct, loses his mind the 1x in 10 when he's called for it, and then adds a degree of hubris on the top that makes liking his team so difficult ...

Based on Section V(c)(3) [Overt actions indicating resentment to a call] alone, he should probably have at least 200 - 250 technical fouls this season by now ...


Again. Every. NBA. Champion. Since. Ever. Does. This.

Apply logic here. The teams that win the most are going to be not merely the most talented (that gets you a lot of the way), but the most competitive. Every human since the dawn of time competing in a game with rules will "bend" or just outright break those rules for a competitive advantage. In fact, you can pretty much see this in every aspect of human endeavor. If the Warriors played "the right way", some other team would break the rules against them and they would lose. The Spurs play the "right way". They have notoriously been rule breaking, ref whiners since Pop showed up. If they weren't, someone else would beat them. This is a game of attrition here, you have to be able to take more and dish out more than the other guy. Mentally and physically. Within the rules and just outside of them. Or finding whatever gray area or loophole you can to exploit.

You know why Dray doesn't get called? Confidence. He's a winner. Same reason the Celtics didn't get called for that stuff in the Thibs era. Playing to human psychology is part of the game.

Look, I get it, you guys hate the Warriors. That is a totally acceptable part of fandom. But lets not pretend that any of this is new and unique to them. If you really looked for it, you would find the same behavior among every one of the top 10 teams.
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RG73 wrote:
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Cutheon wrote:
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RG73 wrote:
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Disclaimer: I'm a Kawhi fan ... but damn, these Warriors are such a disquieting collection of (bleep). Between the dirty play on the court, the entitlement and blatant abuse of any official who dares to whistle them on obvious fouls, the obnoxious fans at the OA, etc. ... really, other than the coaching staff, Klay and Barnes, everyone in that building has a completely punchable face.

They're very good, but (bleep) ...


Newsflash: every championship team since ever has played dirty. You just aren't going to win otherwise because the other guy will play dirty too. Review Lakers-Celtics 2008 vs Lakers-Celtics 2010. Every championship team since ever has been entitled and they have all whined about the officiating. And every championship team that isn't your own has obnoxious fans. And you're supposed to pretty much think the guys on the other team have punchable faces. Welcome to fandom.


Other than Rasheed Wallace, I disagree ... and that's one guy in almost 35 years of watching NBA action. The Warriors seem to exceed anything that I've seen previously (with respect to the dirty play, persistent complaining on the court after every adverse call [of which there seem to be unusually few anyway], obnoxious fans, etc.) ...


Draymond is by far the worst offender. Sets illegal screen after illegal screen, hacks players on drives, and will explode if a call goes against him.


Agreed ... he seemingly hacks and sets illegal screens through every game with near impunity. His meltdown following his second personal foul call on Thursday night is a perfect example. I cannot think of any player who could have made it through that display without being escorted to the locker room by security immediately afterward. In fact, he's given such wide latitude for objectionable conduct on the court, I guess he would foul out of most games if he faced the officiating others face every day. LeBron doesn't receive this favorable treatment. Kobe didn't receive this favorable treatment. Michael Jordan didn't receive this favorable treatment. But Draymond Green does?

Maybe part of it is the other end of the dilemma Shaq faced for most of his career. By virtue of size, it was assumed that she could take more abuse before a foul was called (in contrast to players of smaller stature). I guess Draymond is allowed to get away with so much because he's shorter than some of the players he's tasked with guarding, and he's considered an overachiever, and the Warriors are the NBA's golden children? In a way, it reminds me of the leeway I've seen when a girl's ambitious parents insist on placing her in a boy's league for team sports (at least on the rec. side). None of the officials seem to know what to do with their whistles when she inevitably commits foul after foul with apparently no consequence. I guess there's a social conditioning involved in that case? Regardless, it's (bleep)-up that Draymond gets away with that conduct, loses his mind the 1x in 10 when he's called for it, and then adds a degree of hubris on the top that makes liking his team so difficult ...

Based on Section V(c)(3) [Overt actions indicating resentment to a call] alone, he should probably have at least 200 - 250 technical fouls this season by now ...


Again. Every. NBA. Champion. Since. Ever. Does. This.

Apply logic here. The teams that win the most are going to be not merely the most talented (that gets you a lot of the way), but the most competitive. Every human since the dawn of time competing in a game with rules will "bend" or just outright break those rules for a competitive advantage. In fact, you can pretty much see this in every aspect of human endeavor. If the Warriors played "the right way", some other team would break the rules against them and they would lose. The Spurs play the "right way". They have notoriously been rule breaking, ref whiners since Pop showed up. If they weren't, someone else would beat them. This is a game of attrition here, you have to be able to take more and dish out more than the other guy. Mentally and physically. Within the rules and just outside of them. Or finding whatever gray area or loophole you can to exploit.

You know why Dray doesn't get called? Confidence. He's a winner. Same reason the Celtics didn't get called for that stuff in the Thibs era. Playing to human psychology is part of the game.

Look, I get it, you guys hate the Warriors. That is a totally acceptable part of fandom. But lets not pretend that any of this is new and unique to them. If you really looked for it, you would find the same behavior among every one of the top 10 teams.


Again, agree to disagree ...

Take a look at the first bolded above. THAT'S the issue. The gray area for the Warriors is unlike anything I've ever seen, and I've been attentively watching NBA ball since the very early 1980's. The 1980s Lakers, Celtics and 76ers teams didn't get away with it (or attempt to), the late 1990s Pistons didn't get away with it, the 1990s Bulls didn't get away with it (or attempt to), the 2000s Lakers and Spurs teams didn't get away with it (or attempt to), and the 2010s Heat didn't get away with it (or attempt to). Through your lens, who were the dirty players on those teams, the ones who got away with questionable play similar to what we see from Draymond? I know the late 1980s Pistons might give you a chance, but what about the others? For me, the Warriors are next-level late 1980s Pistons, which is probably a pretty decent comparison in some ways. Baby-faced assassin PG (Thomas, Curry), SG who can shoot and defend (Dumars, Klay), filthy (i.e., dirty, not exceedingly skilled) front court, never-ending bench depth ... one was more defense-oriented than the other, but ...

I don't know, I don't have much regard for the Warriors conduct on the court after Klay, Barnes and the coaching staff. As for the second bolded above, I agree to a degree, but just this year we saw Cam Newton relentlessly skewered for demonstrating those very same traits ... I'll assume you were in the camp defending Cam. Regardless, you seem to think Draymond is a "winner" in a vacuum. I think he's a winner b/c high tide raises all boats. Either way, we'll have to wait and see what kind of winner he continues to be ...

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RG73 wrote:
the association wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
the association wrote:
RG73 wrote:
the association wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm a Kawhi fan ... but damn, these Warriors are such a disquieting collection of (bleep). Between the dirty play on the court, the entitlement and blatant abuse of any official who dares to whistle them on obvious fouls, the obnoxious fans at the OA, etc. ... really, other than the coaching staff, Klay and Barnes, everyone in that building has a completely punchable face.

They're very good, but (bleep) ...


Newsflash: every championship team since ever has played dirty. You just aren't going to win otherwise because the other guy will play dirty too. Review Lakers-Celtics 2008 vs Lakers-Celtics 2010. Every championship team since ever has been entitled and they have all whined about the officiating. And every championship team that isn't your own has obnoxious fans. And you're supposed to pretty much think the guys on the other team have punchable faces. Welcome to fandom.


Other than Rasheed Wallace, I disagree ... and that's one guy in almost 35 years of watching NBA action. The Warriors seem to exceed anything that I've seen previously (with respect to the dirty play, persistent complaining on the court after every adverse call [of which there seem to be unusually few anyway], obnoxious fans, etc.) ...


Draymond is by far the worst offender. Sets illegal screen after illegal screen, hacks players on drives, and will explode if a call goes against him.


Agreed ... he seemingly hacks and sets illegal screens through every game with near impunity. His meltdown following his second personal foul call on Thursday night is a perfect example. I cannot think of any player who could have made it through that display without being escorted to the locker room by security immediately afterward. In fact, he's given such wide latitude for objectionable conduct on the court, I guess he would foul out of most games if he faced the officiating others face every day. LeBron doesn't receive this favorable treatment. Kobe didn't receive this favorable treatment. Michael Jordan didn't receive this favorable treatment. But Draymond Green does?

Maybe part of it is the other end of the dilemma Shaq faced for most of his career. By virtue of size, it was assumed that she could take more abuse before a foul was called (in contrast to players of smaller stature). I guess Draymond is allowed to get away with so much because he's shorter than some of the players he's tasked with guarding, and he's considered an overachiever, and the Warriors are the NBA's golden children? In a way, it reminds me of the leeway I've seen when a girl's ambitious parents insist on placing her in a boy's league for team sports (at least on the rec. side). None of the officials seem to know what to do with their whistles when she inevitably commits foul after foul with apparently no consequence. I guess there's a social conditioning involved in that case? Regardless, it's (bleep)-up that Draymond gets away with that conduct, loses his mind the 1x in 10 when he's called for it, and then adds a degree of hubris on the top that makes liking his team so difficult ...

Based on Section V(c)(3) [Overt actions indicating resentment to a call] alone, he should probably have at least 200 - 250 technical fouls this season by now ...


Again. Every. NBA. Champion. Since. Ever. Does. This.

Apply logic here. The teams that win the most are going to be not merely the most talented (that gets you a lot of the way), but the most competitive. Every human since the dawn of time competing in a game with rules will "bend" or just outright break those rules for a competitive advantage. In fact, you can pretty much see this in every aspect of human endeavor. If the Warriors played "the right way", some other team would break the rules against them and they would lose. The Spurs play the "right way". They have notoriously been rule breaking, ref whiners since Pop showed up. If they weren't, someone else would beat them. This is a game of attrition here, you have to be able to take more and dish out more than the other guy. Mentally and physically. Within the rules and just outside of them. Or finding whatever gray area or loophole you can to exploit.

You know why Dray doesn't get called? Confidence. He's a winner. Same reason the Celtics didn't get called for that stuff in the Thibs era. Playing to human psychology is part of the game.

Look, I get it, you guys hate the Warriors. That is a totally acceptable part of fandom. But lets not pretend that any of this is new and unique to them. If you really looked for it, you would find the same behavior among every one of the top 10 teams.


Again, agree to disagree ...

Take a look at the first bolded above. THAT'S the issue. The gray area for the Warriors is unlike anything I've ever seen, and I've been attentively watching NBA ball since the very early 1980's. The 1980s Lakers, Celtics and 76ers teams didn't get away with it (or attempt to), the late 1990s Pistons didn't get away with it, the 1990s Bulls didn't get away with it (or attempt to), the 2000s Lakers and Spurs teams didn't get away with it (or attempt to), and the 2010s Heat didn't get away with it (or attempt to). Through your lens, who were the dirty players on those teams, the ones who got away with questionable play similar to what we see from Draymond? I know the late 1980s Pistons might give you a chance, but what about the others? For me, the Warriors are next-level late 1980s Pistons, which is probably a pretty decent comparison in some ways. Baby-faced assassin PG (Thomas, Curry), SG who can shoot and defend (Dumars, Klay), filthy (i.e., dirty, not exceedingly skilled) front court, never-ending bench depth ... one was more defense-oriented than the other, but ...

I don't know, I don't have much regard for the Warriors conduct on the court after Klay, Barnes and the coaching staff. As for the second bolded above, I agree to a degree, but just this year we saw Cam Newton relentlessly skewered for demonstrating those very same traits ... I'll assume you were in the camp defending Cam. Regardless, you seem to think Draymond is a "winner" in a vacuum. I think he's a winner b/c high tide raises all boats. Either way, we'll have to wait and see what kind of winner he continues to be ...

Are you a Warriors fan?


I'd argue that the KG Celtics most definitely exhibited these traits. On another board, I compared Draymond to the KG of that era. His fullback move to set screens (in some cases walking forward or out right tossing a guy to the floor like in a link I provided earlier) are things I saw KG do with impunity during the playoffs.
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RG73 wrote:
the association wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
the association wrote:
RG73 wrote:
the association wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm a Kawhi fan ... but damn, these Warriors are such a disquieting collection of (bleep). Between the dirty play on the court, the entitlement and blatant abuse of any official who dares to whistle them on obvious fouls, the obnoxious fans at the OA, etc. ... really, other than the coaching staff, Klay and Barnes, everyone in that building has a completely punchable face.

They're very good, but (bleep) ...


Newsflash: every championship team since ever has played dirty. You just aren't going to win otherwise because the other guy will play dirty too. Review Lakers-Celtics 2008 vs Lakers-Celtics 2010. Every championship team since ever has been entitled and they have all whined about the officiating. And every championship team that isn't your own has obnoxious fans. And you're supposed to pretty much think the guys on the other team have punchable faces. Welcome to fandom.


Other than Rasheed Wallace, I disagree ... and that's one guy in almost 35 years of watching NBA action. The Warriors seem to exceed anything that I've seen previously (with respect to the dirty play, persistent complaining on the court after every adverse call [of which there seem to be unusually few anyway], obnoxious fans, etc.) ...


Draymond is by far the worst offender. Sets illegal screen after illegal screen, hacks players on drives, and will explode if a call goes against him.


Agreed ... he seemingly hacks and sets illegal screens through every game with near impunity. His meltdown following his second personal foul call on Thursday night is a perfect example. I cannot think of any player who could have made it through that display without being escorted to the locker room by security immediately afterward. In fact, he's given such wide latitude for objectionable conduct on the court, I guess he would foul out of most games if he faced the officiating others face every day. LeBron doesn't receive this favorable treatment. Kobe didn't receive this favorable treatment. Michael Jordan didn't receive this favorable treatment. But Draymond Green does?

Maybe part of it is the other end of the dilemma Shaq faced for most of his career. By virtue of size, it was assumed that she could take more abuse before a foul was called (in contrast to players of smaller stature). I guess Draymond is allowed to get away with so much because he's shorter than some of the players he's tasked with guarding, and he's considered an overachiever, and the Warriors are the NBA's golden children? In a way, it reminds me of the leeway I've seen when a girl's ambitious parents insist on placing her in a boy's league for team sports (at least on the rec. side). None of the officials seem to know what to do with their whistles when she inevitably commits foul after foul with apparently no consequence. I guess there's a social conditioning involved in that case? Regardless, it's (bleep)-up that Draymond gets away with that conduct, loses his mind the 1x in 10 when he's called for it, and then adds a degree of hubris on the top that makes liking his team so difficult ...

Based on Section V(c)(3) [Overt actions indicating resentment to a call] alone, he should probably have at least 200 - 250 technical fouls this season by now ...


Again. Every. NBA. Champion. Since. Ever. Does. This.

Apply logic here. The teams that win the most are going to be not merely the most talented (that gets you a lot of the way), but the most competitive. Every human since the dawn of time competing in a game with rules will "bend" or just outright break those rules for a competitive advantage. In fact, you can pretty much see this in every aspect of human endeavor. If the Warriors played "the right way", some other team would break the rules against them and they would lose. The Spurs play the "right way". They have notoriously been rule breaking, ref whiners since Pop showed up. If they weren't, someone else would beat them. This is a game of attrition here, you have to be able to take more and dish out more than the other guy. Mentally and physically. Within the rules and just outside of them. Or finding whatever gray area or loophole you can to exploit.

You know why Dray doesn't get called? Confidence. He's a winner. Same reason the Celtics didn't get called for that stuff in the Thibs era. Playing to human psychology is part of the game.

Look, I get it, you guys hate the Warriors. That is a totally acceptable part of fandom. But lets not pretend that any of this is new and unique to them. If you really looked for it, you would find the same behavior among every one of the top 10 teams.


Again, agree to disagree ...

Take a look at the first bolded above. THAT'S the issue. The gray area for the Warriors is unlike anything I've ever seen, and I've been attentively watching NBA ball since the very early 1980's. The 1980s Lakers, Celtics and 76ers teams didn't get away with it (or attempt to), the late 1990s Pistons didn't get away with it, the 1990s Bulls didn't get away with it (or attempt to), the 2000s Lakers and Spurs teams didn't get away with it (or attempt to), and the 2010s Heat didn't get away with it (or attempt to). Through your lens, who were the dirty players on those teams, the ones who got away with questionable play similar to what we see from Draymond? I know the late 1980s Pistons might give you a chance, but what about the others? For me, the Warriors are next-level late 1980s Pistons, which is probably a pretty decent comparison in some ways. Baby-faced assassin PG (Thomas, Curry), SG who can shoot and defend (Dumars, Klay), filthy (i.e., dirty, not exceedingly skilled) front court, never-ending bench depth ... one was more defense-oriented than the other, but ...

I don't know, I don't have much regard for the Warriors conduct on the court after Klay, Barnes and the coaching staff. As for the second bolded above, I agree to a degree, but just this year we saw Cam Newton relentlessly skewered for demonstrating those very same traits ... I'll assume you were in the camp defending Cam. Regardless, you seem to think Draymond is a "winner" in a vacuum. I think he's a winner b/c high tide raises all boats. Either way, we'll have to wait and see what kind of winner he continues to be ...

Are you a Warriors fan?


I'd argue that the KG Celtics most definitely exhibited these traits. On another board, I compared Draymond to the KG of that era. His fullback move to set screens (in some cases walking forward or out right tossing a guy to the floor like in a link I provided earlier) are things I saw KG do with impunity during the playoffs.


I know some feel that way, and I can respect that ... but I can't get onboard with most of the KG scorn (for purported illegal screens) at all. His elite defensive game for many, MANY years wasn't predicated on hacking guys and setting illegal screens (though he employed the latter at times). However, those very tactics, along with the Association's blessing to act out without fear of reprisal from the officials, are the principal (and perhaps only) reason that Green enjoys great success on that end of the court. Garnett pushed the envelope and found the gray area that's there for all to exploit ... for me, Draymond is a different issue altogether.

He wore green, and for that, some of us hate KG. I get it ... but KG was the classic guy who you hated to play against, but would have sacrificed your firstborn to have in Purple & Gold. Can you say the same of Draymond? I see the hate part, and there's no denying that he's a talented cog in the GS wheel, but I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get that guy here.

(the entire clip speaks to who KG was as a competitor, but second 24 is where it's at ...)

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^^ To be honest, I can't stand the histrionics with Draymond but I'd freaking LOVE to have that guy on board . I'm not comparing them in terms of players because KG obviously is a whole different caliber and all world no matter what team he's on. I'm just comparing their on court histrionics and hooliganism. However, we'll have to diverge in opinions with how we viewed him as a Celtic though. It was well documented that a part of Thibodeaus defensive genius was in the fact that he tracked which calls got called most and which weren't and his guys were taught to commit certain fouls because the refs would eventually stop calling them (moving screens being the #1). KG was public offender #1 in that regard imo. No doubt his ferocity on the Lakers would have been a site to behold with him and Kobe side by side but it doesn't discount his repeated history of tucking tail and running when a guy his size was ready to throw some hands or going after the smallest, weakest, guy on the opposing team (usually European). He's a (bleep), but he would have been our (bleep) if we ever were able to pull off a trade for him in 07.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3gplfo/kevin_garnett_appreciation_day_compilation_of_his/

Never seen a dude squaring up and backpedal as fast as KG.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:44 pm    Post subject:

GSW went into "I got this" mode and resting folks a tad too soon...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:17 pm    Post subject:

The Warriors moving screens are on another level. Curry basically tackles Zbo and Van Gundy calls it a screen.
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Matt Barnes terrorizing the Dubs.
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I don't think they are beating the record. They might not even tie it.
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Curry choking on a fat one...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:29 pm    Post subject:

K28 wrote:
Curry choking on a fat one...


He's been a mess this game. Curry is my man right now but he has been either mentally fatigued or physically fatigued or something several of the last few games.
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