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| ringfinger wrote: | http://gawker.com/assisted-suicide-now-legal-in-california-1734768087
As of today.
A good thing, IMO. |
Agreed.
It's worth giving How to Die in Oregon a watch, anyone that doesn't agree with this. It's on Amazon and Netflix last I checked. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Assisted suicide now legal in California |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | http://gawker.com/assisted-suicide-now-legal-in-california-1734768087
As of today.
A good thing, IMO. |
Agreed.
It's worth giving How to Die in Oregon a watch, anyone that doesn't agree with this. It's on Amazon and Netflix last I checked. |
Seen it on Netflix, but avoiding it.
Too depressing. I can't do it. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Assisted suicide now legal in California |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | http://gawker.com/assisted-suicide-now-legal-in-california-1734768087
As of today.
A good thing, IMO. |
Agreed.
It's worth giving How to Die in Oregon a watch, anyone that doesn't agree with this. It's on Amazon and Netflix last I checked. |
Seen it on Netflix, but avoiding it.
Too depressing. I can't do it. |
Yeah, it was extremely moving. One of the few films that's brought me to tears. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Assisted suicide now legal in California |
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| ringfinger wrote: | http://gawker.com/assisted-suicide-now-legal-in-california-1734768087
As of today.
A good thing, IMO. |
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And just in time for another 21-61 Laker season, Brown has got to be a Warriors fan...
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Well, i always wanted to buy myself a gift for my birthday...
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| City_Dawg wrote: | | Well, i always wanted to buy myself a gift for my birthday... |
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Anyone want to tell me why I need Jerry Brown Stain to tell me if I can off myself or not? Am I too logical in this? Who is going to actually stop me from killing myself if I want to? What? I need a Kevorkian device for it to be legal? Is that going to matter when I'm dead?
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| It has been legal here for a while. Rarely used, but an important right. We do want to stay vigilant that we don't ever let it devolve into offing inconvenient people. |
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Difficult decision to be made by the one dying.
It's sorta like a person jumping off a balcony committing suicide.
I can imagine them jumping, changing their mind, reaching back for the rail, too late.
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| jodeke wrote: | Difficult decision to be made by the one dying.
It's sorta like a person jumping off a balcony committing suicide.
I can imagine them jumping, changing their mind, reaching back for the rail, too late. |
That's not what it's for. It's if you're terminally ill about to die and in great pain.
It's not for depression
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | Anyone want to tell me why I need Jerry Brown Stain to tell me if I can off myself or not? Am I too logical in this? Who is going to actually stop me from killing myself if I want to? What? I need a Kevorkian device for it to be legal? Is that going to matter when I'm dead? |
You can swallow rat poison at any time without the governor's permission. It's the "assisted" part which this bill allows.
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| Chronicle wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Difficult decision to be made by the one dying.
It's sorta like a person jumping off a balcony committing suicide.
I can imagine them jumping, changing their mind, reaching back for the rail, too late. |
That's not what it's for. It's if you're terminally ill about to die and in great pain.
It's not for depression |
I understand what it's for. Depression is not the only reason a person wants to end their life.
My point is once the decision is made the person may change their mind but it may be to late.
Death is final.
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| C M B wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | Anyone want to tell me why I need Jerry Brown Stain to tell me if I can off myself or not? Am I too logical in this? Who is going to actually stop me from killing myself if I want to? What? I need a Kevorkian device for it to be legal? Is that going to matter when I'm dead? |
You can swallow rat poison at any time without the governor's permission. It's the "assisted" part which this bill allows. |
Correct. It is about making a suicide, under specific provisions, more humane and painless. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Difficult decision to be made by the one dying.
It's sorta like a person jumping off a balcony committing suicide.
I can imagine them jumping, changing their mind, reaching back for the rail, too late. |
That's not what it's for. It's if you're terminally ill about to die and in great pain.
It's not for depression |
I understand what it's for. Depression is not the only reason a person wants to end their life.
My point is once the decision is made the person may change their mind but it may be to late.
Death is final. |
Which would be a reason not to do it.
But not as reason to take that decision out of the suffering's hands and in to Uncle Sam's right? |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Assisted suicide now legal in California |
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| 24 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | http://gawker.com/assisted-suicide-now-legal-in-california-1734768087
As of today.
A good thing, IMO. |
I'm here to help... |
Haha. I'd offer up my assistance to you as well but I think I'd rather you suffer. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Difficult decision to be made by the one dying.
It's sorta like a person jumping off a balcony committing suicide.
I can imagine them jumping, changing their mind, reaching back for the rail, too late. |
That's not what it's for. It's if you're terminally ill about to die and in great pain.
It's not for depression |
I understand what it's for. Depression is not the only reason a person wants to end their life.
My point is once the decision is made the person may change their mind but it may be to late.
Death is final. |
Which would be a reason not to do it.
But not as reason to take that decision out of the suffering's hands and in to Uncle Sam's right? |
The bold is what I'm talking about.
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| jodeke wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Difficult decision to be made by the one dying.
It's sorta like a person jumping off a balcony committing suicide.
I can imagine them jumping, changing their mind, reaching back for the rail, too late. |
That's not what it's for. It's if you're terminally ill about to die and in great pain.
It's not for depression |
I understand what it's for. Depression is not the only reason a person wants to end their life.
My point is once the decision is made the person may change their mind but it may be to late.
Death is final. |
Which would be a reason not to do it.
But not as reason to take that decision out of the suffering's hands and in to Uncle Sam's right? |
The bold is what I'm talking about. |
Right. So again, because of the fact one might want to change their mind, that would be a reason not to choose to do it.
But that shouldn't be a reason, to put the choice in the government's hand and not your own. Just because they allow you to do something, doesn't mean you have to do it. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Difficult decision to be made by the one dying.
It's sorta like a person jumping off a balcony committing suicide.
I can imagine them jumping, changing their mind, reaching back for the rail, too late. |
That's not what it's for. It's if you're terminally ill about to die and in great pain.
It's not for depression |
I understand what it's for. Depression is not the only reason a person wants to end their life.
My point is once the decision is made the person may change their mind but it may be to late.
Death is final. |
Which would be a reason not to do it.
But not as reason to take that decision out of the suffering's hands and in to Uncle Sam's right? |
The bold is what I'm talking about. |
Right. So again, because of the fact one might want to change their mind, that would be a reason not to choose to do it.
But that shouldn't be a reason, to put the choice in the government's hand and not your own. Just because they allow you to do something, doesn't mean you have to do it. |
When the decision to end life was made it was in a frame of mind. If the frame changed the decision may also.
I'm talking about changing your mind and possibly being to late. | Quote: | | physicians to prescribe lethal doses of medication to mentally competent adults expected to die within six months, |
It may be to late to change their minds.
No one has to, they have a choice to end pain and suffering. That doesn't mean they can't change their mind.
The choice is not in the governments hands, it's in the hands of the patient and possibly his or her family.
The reason for the law is the give a choice and doctors, lacking a better choice of words, doing it right.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Assisted suicide now legal in California |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | http://gawker.com/assisted-suicide-now-legal-in-california-1734768087
As of today.
A good thing, IMO. |
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Haha. I'd offer up my assistance to you as well but I think I'd rather you suffer. |
Of course you would, which is why you need my ever so necessary and yet humane assistance. |
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| jodeke wrote: | When the decision to end life was made it was in a frame of mind. If the frame changed the decision may also.
I'm talking about changing your mind and possibly being to late. | Quote: | | physicians to prescribe lethal doses of medication to mentally competent adults expected to die within six months, |
It may be to late to change their minds.
No one has to, they have a choice to end pain and suffering. That doesn't mean they can't change their mind.
The choice is not in the governments hands, it's in the hands of the patient and possibly his or her family.
The reason for the law is the give a choice and doctors, lacking a better choice of words, doing it right. |
I get what you're saying. But the knife cuts both ways.
If you don't allow it, then, people are sparred from potentially changing their mind.
But what about someone who is truly suffering and in pain on a daily basis? You're not giving them a humane option to end that suffering.
In either case, there would be little to no time to change one's mind. It's not like a slow, 2-week death, it would essentially be immediate. So no need to worry there. Can't change your mind once you're dead. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | When the decision to end life was made it was in a frame of mind. If the frame changed the decision may also.
I'm talking about changing your mind and possibly being to late. | Quote: | | physicians to prescribe lethal doses of medication to mentally competent adults expected to die within six months, |
It may be to late to change their minds.
No one has to, they have a choice to end pain and suffering. That doesn't mean they can't change their mind.
The choice is not in the governments hands, it's in the hands of the patient and possibly his or her family.
The reason for the law is the give a choice and doctors, lacking a better choice of words, doing it right. |
I get what you're saying. But the knife cuts both ways.
If you don't allow it, then, people are sparred from potentially changing their mind.
But what about someone who is truly suffering and in pain on a daily basis? You're not giving them a humane option to end that suffering.
In either case, there would be little to no time to change one's mind. It's not like a slow, 2-week death, it would essentially be immediate. So no need to worry there. Can't change your mind once you're dead. |
Someone truly suffering, IMO, should have the option.
Agreed, as I said, it would/may be to late.
Side note: My comments were afterthoughts. I think assisted suicide is a good law. Somewhere Dr Jack Kevorkian is smiling.
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