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How do you?
a. Get to Seattle?
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
b. Be in a position to be a legal employee by Monday's deadline?
40%
 40%  [ 2 ]
c. Clean yourself and provision shelter?
60%
 60%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:46 am    Post subject: Identify Yourself?

You've just been offered a great job in Seattle as an Executive Account Executive for a major firm earning a $450,000 annual salary. That company has just been awarded a large contract and needs to have 100% of the Account Executives assigned to their customer in a weeks time. You must arrive at their offices in Seattle an go thru orientation and processing by HR no later than 3pm Monday afternoon as the work with their customer starts 7am Tuesday morning. You must be a legally hired employee prior to starting work and if you're not a legal employee by Monday @ 4pm, your services will no longer be necessary as all accounts will have been awarded to Account executives by that time.


Since you're been unemployed for a while, being a little light on funds, you don't have the $10,000 to spend on a moving company to move all your belongings cross country, so you decide to rent a Uhaul for the trip. On friday night, you've made it as far as Colorado. You decide to stop at an Indian casino for a break and some fun. Not trusting yourself to not go overboard with gambling you leave your wallet in the Uhaul with the rest of all your possessions and enter the casino with only as much cash as you're willing to risk. While you are in the Casino, the Uhaul is stolen.

You now have no more money, no identification, and no transportation. It's now Friday night.

How do you:

a. Get to Seattle?
b. Be in a position to be a legal employee by Monday's deadline?
c. Clean yourself and provision shelter?



Those with abundant life experience have a chance, but satisfactorily identifying yourself so you can sign onto your new job is going to be a LOT more difficult than you currently imagine.


This exercise has been done twice before. A few people were able to figure out how to transport themselves. Nobody was able to figure out how to satisfactorily identify themselves by the deadline. There IS a way to do so.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:53 am    Post subject:

Is this a mathematical puzzle or just life experience?

and why is this a poll
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:58 am    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
Is this a mathematical puzzle or just life experience?

and why is this a poll



Life Experience. (Getting Identified is a LOT more difficult than it used to be, so many who've accomplished it before won't be aware of just how difficult it is to accomplish now when they've no current documentation. Even more difficult if you've only a short time to do so. You must detail how you'll meet the legal requirements of the agency you use to garner identification sufficient to become a legal employee.


The poll is just to keep track of how far folks are able to get. If you can only successfully describe how you'd get as far as Seattle by the deadline, then A.


If you can figure out how to be in Seattle and a legal employee by the deadline, then B

If you can Figure out all 3 by the deadline then C
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:59 am    Post subject:

a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)
b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.) As will the So Sec office...
c) Find a fast food restaurant and take a bird bath or shower at the truck stop you were dropped off at.


Pretty simple actually. I Actually faced a similar situation when I was much younger traveling from Portland Oregon to LA and agin in 2000 when I got stranded in State line NV after the millennium party in vegas.

Where there is willpower there is a way (The ID is actually the easiest part because WA and California share the same DMV database)...

I will say that Tuesday Morning 7am gonna be a (bleep) and possibly gonna get fired for smelling like a McDonalds bathroom but that wasn't part of your question


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:03 am    Post subject:

lakerjoshua wrote:
a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


lakerjoshua wrote:

b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:07 am    Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


lakerjoshua wrote:

b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation


A) yes absolutely, find the right trucker or traveller and you"ll be there by Sunday.

B) CA and Washington DMV share the same database but I can see how you may run into an issue if you are from say Mississippi where they record everything on stone tablets. But alas, my answer only applies to me as you didn't say the starting destination. And yes, I've walked into DMV with nothing and left with a brand new ID card same day.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:08 am    Post subject:

Washington ID Requirements:



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If you’re over 25 years old:Show us 1 of the options from the list below:

Option 1: One “Stand-alone Document”
Option 2: Two “A-List Documents”
Option 3:
One “A-list Document”
and
Two “B-List Documents”
Option 4: At least four “B-List Documents” including:
One from the list of documents that have your name and date of birth
and
One showing your name and signature.

Stand-alone Documents

Washington State driver license, ID card, or instruction permit — Valid or has expired within 1 year, has your signature, date of birth and photo.
Out-of-state driver license, ID card, or instruction permit (if you have a Social Security number) — Valid or expired within 60 days and has your photo. Also tell us your Social Security number so we can verify it.
U.S. armed services ID card with photo — Valid.
U.S. passport — Valid, has your signature and photo (an emergency passport isn’t acceptable).
Immigration ID with signature — Valid, from the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service, with:
Your signature and photo which are identifiable (I-327, I-551, I-571, I-766).
or
A “Signature Waived” notation or encrypted signature on the back of the card.
U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Naturalization — An original with your signature and photo.
Department of Social and Health Services Children’s Administration (DSHS CA) ID letter —
If you're in:
Court-ordered foster care with DSHS, or
Another supervising Washington agency as your legal custodian, then
You may prove your identity with an ID letter from DSHS CA.

A-List Documents

Out-of-state driver license, ID card or instruction permit (if you don’t have a Social Security number) — Valid or has expired within 60 days and has your photo.
Driver license from a foreign country — Valid or has expired within 60 days, has security features and is verifiable.
Federal or state employee ID card — Valid, shows your signature and photo.
Foreign passport — Valid and stamped U.S. Customs and Border Protection (USCBP) entry form I-94/I94W or Temporary I-551 ADIT stamp.
Tribal enrollment ID card —
Must be federally-recognized Indian tribal enrollment card, or U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs ID card
Must have your signature and photo.
Original U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Naturalization Where your signature and photo aren’t identifiable.
Verification letter — If you’re on work release, or supervised by an agency that we have an agreement with, you may provide a verification letter from that agency. We currently have agreements with:
Washington State Department of Corrections — electronic version only.
U.S. Federal correction authorities (FDOC).
Dept. of Social and Health Services Juvenile Rehabilitation Administration (DSHS JRA) — electronic version only.
DSHS Children’s Administration (CA) — for foster youth only.
Western State Hospital (WSH).
Washington city or county police employee ID card — Valid, has your signature and photo.
U.S. Passport card — has your name and photo.

B-List DocumentsDocuments that establish your name and date of birth

Certified birth certificate. (Puerto Rico birth certificates must have an issue date of July 1, 2010 or later to be accepted.)
Certified Washington birth registration card.
A valid concealed weapons permit issued by a Washington county.
Consular report of birth abroad.
Court-issued adoption papers.
Military DD 214.
U.S. driver license, photo instruction permit, or ID card (invalidated or expired within the past 5 years).
U.S. passport (expired within the past 5 years).
Valid U.S. visa.
Veteran Administration ID with your name, photo, and date of birth.
Ward of the Court decree/Order of Dependency.
Washington State driver license, photo instruction permit, or ID card (invalidated or expired within the past 5 years).

Other acceptable “B-List Documents” with your name and date of birth, signature, photo, or current WA residence address

Divorce decree that has your name and signature (filed with the county).
Driving record from another state issued within the past 30 days.
Foreign passport that has expired within 5 years, or without an I-94/I-94W form or temporary I-551 ADIT stamp.
Foreign driver license expired not more than 5 years. The license must have security features and be verifiable.
Valid Guatemala Consulate ID card.
Marriage license or certificate (filed with the county).
Medicare card.
Valid Mexican Matricula Consular ID card.
Mexican Federal Electoral Card issued 1991 or later. (Your photo must be readily identifiable.)
Mexican school record with a seal and your photo at the age when issued.
Mortgage document or mortgage coupon payment book.
Nexus, Sentri, or Fast Border Crossing card.
Professional license (nurse, physician, engineer, etc.)
Property deed or title (filed).
Property tax bill or statement issued within the last 12 months.
Selective Service card.
School transcript includes your date of birth.
Form I-20 or DS-2019 for foreign exchange students.
School yearbook with your recognizable photo (or copy certified by the school).
Social Security card with your signature. We’ll verify it.
Transportation Worker Credential (TWIC).
U.S. Merchant Mariner’s card (valid or expired within the past 5 years).
WA vehicle title with your current residence address (not a Quick Title with a tamper-proof tape over the VIN and title number).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:08 am    Post subject:

My cousin in Colorado would drive me to Seattle where I would pick up the FedEx package from my mother containing my Birth Certificate and her debit card. Go to the DMV for a new Driver's license/ID card, buy a suit, check into a hotel for a shower and shave, and then off to my new job.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:09 am    Post subject:

lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


lakerjoshua wrote:

b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation


A) yes absolutely, find the right trucker or traveller and you"ll be there by Sunday.

B) CA and Washington DMV share the same database but I can see how you may run into an issue if you are from say Mississippi where they record everything on stone tablets.


But even if you're in the Washington Database, you still need to provide a combination of docmentation from the list above:
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:11 am    Post subject:

They had this problem in The Dark Knight Rises when Bruce Wayne crawls out of the lazarus pit in the middle of the desert with no money to his name and no ID. The filmmakers solved it by having it occur offscreen without explanation.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:11 am    Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:
Washington ID Requirements:



Quote:
If you’re over 25 years old:Show us 1 of the options from the list below:

Option 1: One “Stand-alone Document”
Option 2: Two “A-List Documents”
Option 3:
One “A-list Document”
and
Two “B-List Documents”
Option 4: At least four “B-List Documents” including:
One from the list of documents that have your name and date of birth
and
One showing your name and signature.

Stand-alone Documents

Washington State driver license, ID card, or instruction permit — Valid or has expired within 1 year, has your signature, date of birth and photo.
Out-of-state driver license, ID card, or instruction permit (if you have a Social Security number) — Valid or expired within 60 days and has your photo. Also tell us your Social Security number so we can verify it.
U.S. armed services ID card with photo — Valid.
U.S. passport — Valid, has your signature and photo (an emergency passport isn’t acceptable).
Immigration ID with signature — Valid, from the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service, with:
Your signature and photo which are identifiable (I-327, I-551, I-571, I-766).
or
A “Signature Waived” notation or encrypted signature on the back of the card.
U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Naturalization — An original with your signature and photo.
Department of Social and Health Services Children’s Administration (DSHS CA) ID letter —
If you're in:
Court-ordered foster care with DSHS, or
Another supervising Washington agency as your legal custodian, then
You may prove your identity with an ID letter from DSHS CA.

A-List Documents

Out-of-state driver license, ID card or instruction permit (if you don’t have a Social Security number) — Valid or has expired within 60 days and has your photo.
Driver license from a foreign country — Valid or has expired within 60 days, has security features and is verifiable.
Federal or state employee ID card — Valid, shows your signature and photo.
Foreign passport — Valid and stamped U.S. Customs and Border Protection (USCBP) entry form I-94/I94W or Temporary I-551 ADIT stamp.
Tribal enrollment ID card —
Must be federally-recognized Indian tribal enrollment card, or U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs ID card
Must have your signature and photo.
Original U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Naturalization Where your signature and photo aren’t identifiable.
Verification letter — If you’re on work release, or supervised by an agency that we have an agreement with, you may provide a verification letter from that agency. We currently have agreements with:
Washington State Department of Corrections — electronic version only.
U.S. Federal correction authorities (FDOC).
Dept. of Social and Health Services Juvenile Rehabilitation Administration (DSHS JRA) — electronic version only.
DSHS Children’s Administration (CA) — for foster youth only.
Western State Hospital (WSH).
Washington city or county police employee ID card — Valid, has your signature and photo.
U.S. Passport card — has your name and photo.

B-List DocumentsDocuments that establish your name and date of birth

Certified birth certificate. (Puerto Rico birth certificates must have an issue date of July 1, 2010 or later to be accepted.)
Certified Washington birth registration card.
A valid concealed weapons permit issued by a Washington county.
Consular report of birth abroad.
Court-issued adoption papers.
Military DD 214.
U.S. driver license, photo instruction permit, or ID card (invalidated or expired within the past 5 years).
U.S. passport (expired within the past 5 years).
Valid U.S. visa.
Veteran Administration ID with your name, photo, and date of birth.
Ward of the Court decree/Order of Dependency.
Washington State driver license, photo instruction permit, or ID card (invalidated or expired within the past 5 years).

Other acceptable “B-List Documents” with your name and date of birth, signature, photo, or current WA residence address

Divorce decree that has your name and signature (filed with the county).
Driving record from another state issued within the past 30 days.
Foreign passport that has expired within 5 years, or without an I-94/I-94W form or temporary I-551 ADIT stamp.
Foreign driver license expired not more than 5 years. The license must have security features and be verifiable.
Valid Guatemala Consulate ID card.
Marriage license or certificate (filed with the county).
Medicare card.
Valid Mexican Matricula Consular ID card.
Mexican Federal Electoral Card issued 1991 or later. (Your photo must be readily identifiable.)
Mexican school record with a seal and your photo at the age when issued.
Mortgage document or mortgage coupon payment book.
Nexus, Sentri, or Fast Border Crossing card.
Professional license (nurse, physician, engineer, etc.)
Property deed or title (filed).
Property tax bill or statement issued within the last 12 months.
Selective Service card.
School transcript includes your date of birth.
Form I-20 or DS-2019 for foreign exchange students.
School yearbook with your recognizable photo (or copy certified by the school).
Social Security card with your signature. We’ll verify it.
Transportation Worker Credential (TWIC).
U.S. Merchant Mariner’s card (valid or expired within the past 5 years).
WA vehicle title with your current residence address (not a Quick Title with a tamper-proof tape over the VIN and title number).


Again, CA, OR and WA all share the same DMV database. How long has it been since you've been to DMV? lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:12 am    Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


lakerjoshua wrote:

b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation


A) yes absolutely, find the right trucker or traveller and you"ll be there by Sunday.

B) CA and Washington DMV share the same database but I can see how you may run into an issue if you are from say Mississippi where they record everything on stone tablets.


But even if you're in the Washington Database, you still need to provide a combination of docmentation from the list above:


it's done off of a fingerprint now. Sorry to blow a hole in your hypothetical but it's true, you just walk in, scan your fingerprint and boom new ID. Think it's 22 bucks or used to be. I've lived in all 3 states so I would know


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:12 am    Post subject:

JerryMagicKobe wrote:
My cousin in Colorado would drive me to Seattle where I would pick up the FedEx package from my mother containing my Birth Certificate and her debit card. Go to the DMV for a new Driver's license/ID card, buy a suit, check into a hotel for a shower and shave, and then off to my new job.


What ID are you using to pickup that Fedex overnight package at their customer counter?

Have you been issued a Washington State ID/Drivers License prior? You'll still need to satisfy the documentation combination from the list above.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:14 am    Post subject:

lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


lakerjoshua wrote:

b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation


A) yes absolutely, find the right trucker or traveller and you"ll be there by Sunday.

B) CA and Washington DMV share the same database but I can see how you may run into an issue if you are from say Mississippi where they record everything on stone tablets.


But even if you're in the Washington Database, you still need to provide a combination of docmentation from the list above:


it's done off of a fingerprint now.


Not in Washington State. There is no fingerprinting at our Dept of Licensing Offices. The list above is from the Dept of Licensing Requirements as of August 1st 2015
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:16 am    Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


lakerjoshua wrote:

b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation


A) yes absolutely, find the right trucker or traveller and you"ll be there by Sunday.

B) CA and Washington DMV share the same database but I can see how you may run into an issue if you are from say Mississippi where they record everything on stone tablets.


But even if you're in the Washington Database, you still need to provide a combination of docmentation from the list above:


it's done off of a fingerprint now.


Not in Washington State. There is no fingerprinting at our Dept of Licensing Offices. The list above is from the Dept of Licensing Requirements as of August 1st 2015


I've also been to a Nevada DMV where I gave them my address and they pulled up the photo and that was when I was stuck in Nevada so NV also shares the DMV database
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:20 am    Post subject:

lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
Aussiesuede wrote:
lakerjoshua wrote:
a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


lakerjoshua wrote:

b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation


A) yes absolutely, find the right trucker or traveller and you"ll be there by Sunday.

B) CA and Washington DMV share the same database but I can see how you may run into an issue if you are from say Mississippi where they record everything on stone tablets.


But even if you're in the Washington Database, you still need to provide a combination of docmentation from the list above:


it's done off of a fingerprint now.


Not in Washington State. There is no fingerprinting at our Dept of Licensing Offices. The list above is from the Dept of Licensing Requirements as of August 1st 2015


I've also been to a California DMV where I gave them my address and they pulled up the photo and that was when I was stuck in Nevada so NV also shares the DMV database


So is this to mean that your hitchhiking tour now took you through Nevada on your way to Seattle? Okay, we can work with that. Now explain how you were able to hithchike to Nevada and goto one of their DMV offices on monday morning (They're closed
Sat & Sun) and then arrive in Seattle by your 4 pm deadline prepared to fill out your I-9 form at your new employer? Remember, I-9's REQUIRE original and copies, or temporaries, are unacceptable.
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They had this problem in The Dark Knight Rises when Bruce Wayne crawls out of the lazarus pit in the middle of the desert with no money to his name and no ID. The filmmakers solved it by having it occur offscreen without explanation.



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:23 am    Post subject:

Lol no man, no detour I'm sticking to my original plan cuz i'm running out of time!! lol
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:25 am    Post subject:

>get into one of my banks by the time it opens on saturday morning
>issue temporary debit card, open credit card if necessary
>use public computer to e-mail and SMS family back home to ship my vital IDs to me in Seattle post-haste
>book flight to arrive at SeaTac on Saturday evening
>supershuttle to hotel in downtown
>order some weed from winterlife co-op, scruffy but fit white guy will deliver via bicycle 1-hour past your expected delivery window
>purchase suitable business attire
>package containing vitals arrives monday morning, you're legitimate again
>still high, show up to sign for job
>really (bleep) high, when HR rep hands you a pen you feel a rumbly in your tumbly, run to restroom, sit there for hours while you stagger out log after log
>finally finish, you think you can't poop anymore
>stand up to clean and pull your pants up, you look in the toilet and there's nothing there
>you imagined it
>lose out on job opportunity

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject:

Aussiesuede wrote:
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Aussiesuede wrote:
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a) Hitchhike and panhandle (shouldn't be hard to do at a casino)


So since it's friday night, you envision being able to hitch hike and panhandle your way from Colorado to Seattle by your Monday deadline?


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b) DMV will issue a temporary ID card first thing Monday Morning (Some even have a fingerprint scanners and will print you a new ID on the spot.)


Which DMV? Colorado? Washingtons? Neither will issue a Temp ID to someone who is not already in their records. And neither will issue a temp to those in their records without presentation of alternative documentation from their respective lists of alternative documentation


A) yes absolutely, find the right trucker or traveller and you"ll be there by Sunday.

B) CA and Washington DMV share the same database but I can see how you may run into an issue if you are from say Mississippi where they record everything on stone tablets.


But even if you're in the Washington Database, you still need to provide a combination of docmentation from the list above:


it's done off of a fingerprint now.


Not in Washington State. There is no fingerprinting at our Dept of Licensing Offices. The list above is from the Dept of Licensing Requirements as of August 1st 2015


I've also been to a California DMV where I gave them my address and they pulled up the photo and that was when I was stuck in Nevada so NV also shares the DMV database


So is this to mean that your hitchhiking tour now took you through Nevada on your way to Seattle? Okay, we can work with that. Now explain how you were able to hithchike to Nevada and goto one of their DMV offices on monday morning (They're closed
Sat & Sun) and then arrive in Seattle by your 4 pm deadline prepared to fill out your I-9 form at your new employer? Remember, I-9's REQUIRE original and copies, or temporaries, are unacceptable.



Fine I'll play along. I'll go to the SS office first and get the temp SS card (since I'll need that for the job also to prove citizenship) then take the temp SS card with me to DMV just in case WA indeed does not have biometric scanners (Which they do but I'll humor you).

If all else fails I will mug someone who looks similar to me and assume their identity.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:28 am    Post subject:

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Lol no man, no detour I'm sticking to my original plan cuz i'm running out of time!! lol


Well for the sake of argument, we'll assume that you lived in Seattle a year ago and have a current DL/ID on file. The Dept of Licensing will accept that as ONE of your List A documents. You still need to provide another, and then that'll only get you a paper Temp License which has emboldened on it "NOT LEGAL IDENTIFICATION" until your permanent arrives in the mail. Obviously that Temp is not acceptable for your I-9 form at your new employer, and you'll still need another form of I-9 acceptable ID as well.

Come on, you can do it. You really want that nice $450k job. Don't just let it slip away.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:30 am    Post subject:

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Fine I'll play along. I'll go to the SS office first and get the temp SS card (since I'll need that for the job also to prove citizenship) then take the temp SS card with me to DMV just in case WA indeed does not have biometric scanners (Which they do but I'll humor you).

If all else fails I will mug someone who looks similar to me and assume their identity.


You were off to a good start, but as of 1/1/2013, Social Security now REQUIRES government issued photo id.

Also, Only 2 Dept of Licensing Offices in the city of Seattle are equipped with Biometric Scanners for Enhanced Id's, and Enhanced Id's can't be issued on the spot in Washigton state. And Enhanced Id Applications are by appointment only.

Washington Enhanced ID




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To apply for a replacement card, you must provide one document to prove your identity. If you were born outside the U.S., you must also provide documents to prove your U.S. citizenship or current, lawful, work-authorized status. See page 2 for an explanation of acceptable documents.
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Evidence of Identity
You must provide current, unexpired evidence of identity in your legal name. Your legal name will be shown on the Social Security card. Generally, we prefer to see documents issued in the U.S. Documents you submit to establish identity must show your legal name AND provide biographical information (your date of birth, age, or parents' names) and/or physical information (photograph, or physical description - height, eye and hair color, etc.). If you send a photo identity document but do not appear in person, the document must show your biographical information (e.g., your date of birth, age, or parents' names). Generally, documents without an expiration date should have been issued within the past two years for adults and within the past four years for children.
As proof of your identity, you must provide a:

U.S. driver's license; or

U.S. State-issued non-driver identity card; or

U.S. passport
If you do not have one of the documents above or cannot get a replacement within 10 work days, we may accept other documents that show your legal name and biographical information, such as a U.S. military identity card, Certificate of Naturalization, employee identity card, certified copy of medical record (clinic, doctor or hospital), health insurance card, Medicaid card, or school identity card/record. For young children, we may accept medical records (clinic, doctor, or hospital) maintained by the medical provider. We may also accept a final adoption decree, or a school identity card, or other school record maintained by the school.



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:36 am    Post subject:

C M B wrote:
>get into one of my banks by the time it opens on saturday morning
>issue temporary debit card, open credit card if necessary


Yep, totally acceptable


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>use public computer to e-mail and SMS family back home to ship my vital IDs to me in Seattle post-haste


I'll assume that the family is sending your Birth Certificate? Where to? How will you retrieve without current Identification?


C M B wrote:

>book flight to arrive at SeaTac on Saturday evening



How do you board a flight without ID?




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>lose out on job opportunity


Come on. Don't give up on a $450k job opportunity that easily. You can still do it. You're family is counting on you!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:38 am    Post subject:

scenario B

>withdraw money from bank on saturday morning
>take city bus to nearest walmart
>buy their most basic digital bedside clock
>remove plastic housing, put electronic parts into steel case, probably won't turn on because you're not really technically inclined but that won't matter
>run into police station, screaming
>police swiftly arrest you
>"b-b-b-but I invented this!"
>claim transmisogynist islamophobia undocumented immigrant discrimination
>Air Force One arrives within 3 hours
>Obama breaks down doors and kills all the cops in the place like in the original Terminator
>apologizes
>you're given ESPY award, nobel peace prize, access to all secret government documents
>congress signs bill to make your photo the top post anytime anyone signs into facebook, forever
>won't need ID or a job ever again
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:49 am    Post subject:

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My cousin in Colorado would drive me to Seattle where I would pick up the FedEx package from my mother containing my Birth Certificate and her debit card. Go to the DMV for a new Driver's license/ID card, buy a suit, check into a hotel for a shower and shave, and then off to my new job.


What ID are you using to pickup that Fedex overnight package at their customer counter?

Have you been issued a Washington State ID/Drivers License prior? You'll still need to satisfy the documentation combination from the list above.

Even simpler.
Girlfriend books a room at whatever 5 star Hotel that is near the employer and has a conceirge.
Overnight my current passport and her debit card to the hotel concierge with specific instructions as to who I am and what is inside the FedEx envelope. I pick up the envelope, check in, go upstairs to my room with the tailor waiting on stand-by. Get fitted for the suit, shirt and shoes, take a nap while the tailor finishes, wake, dress and hitch a ride in the hotel limo to my new employer.
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