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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:41 pm    Post subject:

He did.

The Lakers essentially let him walk though.. they clearly weren't as behind him as they were when they hired him.

I don't blame D'Antoni for leaving, honestly. You have a front office not willing to commit to one more year.. then also a fanbase who were calling for your head all because of Phil Jackson not to mention Magic Johnson and basically the entire media bashing you.

Byron Scott basically duplicated D'Antoni's season.. I didn't see hardly any improvement in any area and Byron didn't catch not even 1/4th of the flack D'Antoni did. I would've hightailed it too lol. Not to suggest that you run when the going gets tough.. just.. it was a bad situation.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject:

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Mitch was 100% right in whatever led D'Antoni to leave. Unfortunately, the FO was 100% wrong to bring in Byron.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject:

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They were wrong to hire him. Good riddance.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:02 pm    Post subject:

The people who want MDA back are the same poor fools who would get back with an ex after a little time away because all they have recollection of are the "good times." Then you get back with her and it doesn't take long before you say, 'Oh yeah, now I remember why this didn't work.' Smh.

MDA's offensive philosophy might've taken over the league in recent years, but the guy sucks as a head coach. Scott is stubborn in his ways and so was MDA in that first year. It took him months before he finally accepted the fact that the roster didn't fit his offense and that he had to play to their strengths instead in order to get wins. When he benched Pau in order to start Earl Clark with Howard instead...LOL. That said it all. Things didn't truly turn around for that team until he relinquished his pride. But to his credit, he did it. Now we're waiting on Scott to do the same, if ever. He'll have to at some point this year, otherwise his attempt at being the MDA antithesis will backfire (if not already) and he'll go down as an even worse coach, which would say a lot since everyone couldn't stand MDA (and rightfully so).

During his second year with the roster being so heavily revamped, the players they brought in did fit his system a lot more. But that team was still pretty terrible. The only meaningful difference between that team and Scott's from last year was that they were a little more fun to watch and scored more points. Pringles is the perfect assistant, but shield his buttocks from head chair.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:04 pm    Post subject:

atleast Dantoni's was a good offensive coach. Bryon coaches neither defense or offense. Should've hired them both. Bryon as assistant coach.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:10 pm    Post subject:

Fans and their short memories. D'antoni knows nothing about playing to a team's strengths. And he wasn't fired, he walked because the Lakers wouldn't give him an extension and he didn't want to be a lame duck coach. I don't blame him.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:16 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
The people who want MDA back are the same poor fools who would get back with an ex after a little time away because all they have recollection of are the "good times." Then you get back with her and it doesn't take long before you say, 'Oh yeah, now I remember why this didn't work.' Smh.

MDA's offensive philosophy might've taken over the league in recent years, but the guy sucks as a head coach. Scott is stubborn in his ways and so was MDA in that first year. It took him months before he finally accepted the fact that the roster didn't fit his offense and that he had to play to their strengths instead in order to get wins. When he benched Pau in order to start Earl Clark with Howard instead...LOL.


To be fair, that was the right move and the team started winning. That move seem to wake Pau up as well as he began to buy into the system. Now what he said afterwards that he was trying to win the game might not have been smart on his part because you just don't say that about your star player especially one as sensitive as Pau but it was the right move by benching him to win ball games. That is the type of coach we NEED, someone with enough moxie to bench whoever is not playing well to give lesser players opportunities to shine which Earl Clark very much did.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:20 pm    Post subject:

K2 wrote:
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Mitch was 100% right in whatever led D'Antoni to leave. Unfortunately, the FO was 100% wrong to bring in Byron.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:22 pm    Post subject:

Brown- bad hire
D'antoni- bad hire
Scott- bad hire

In this context, whether firing them (or letting them leave) was a good decision doesn't really matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:45 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
Brown- bad hire
D'antoni- bad hire
Scott- bad hire

In this context, whether firing them (or letting them leave) was a good decision doesn't really matter.


Scott is the worst of the bunch, though. At least brought pretty good defensive coaching to the table. What ultimately did him in was overreacting to people's complaints to his anemic offense which caused him to try to install the Princeton in a single training camp while neglecting defense. And at least D'Antoni brings modern offensive concepts. What did him in is his unwillingness to adapt to his roster and poor people skills. Byron literally brings nothing of value to the table.

Edit: Nothing of value other than being Kobe's friend and keeping the LA media somewhat at bay.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:56 pm    Post subject:

Two ways to look at this:

1) From a pure basketball perspective...firing one of the better coaches in the league was a mistake.

2) From a tanking for a chance at drafting a superstar perspective...its a good move. It kind of worked...the draft position improved from #7 to #2.
Byron Scott is the perfect guy until the eat first contract comes off the books
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:07 pm    Post subject:

Well considering nobody has hired MDA after his Laker stint, maybe the rest of the NBA knows that MDA's touch is no longer effective....its been ages since his successful coaching stint in Phoenix and the rest of the league has incorporated his methods along with the types of defense he never put into action.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:36 pm    Post subject:

For the love of all that is . . . give it a rest! P&M threads exist for a reason!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:57 pm    Post subject:

MDA sucked, he had talent and still could not win.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:02 pm    Post subject:

MDA quit
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:05 pm    Post subject:

Was it wrong to make this thread?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:17 pm    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
Was it wrong to make this thread?


making a shammockery out of it
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:13 pm    Post subject:

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Was it wrong to make this thread?


No. Byron still sucks.

Anyone know why he didn't keep JC in near the end?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:15 pm    Post subject:

It was wrong to let Dan go
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:26 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
The people who want MDA back are the same poor fools who would get back with an ex after a little time away because all they have recollection of are the "good times." Then you get back with her and it doesn't take long before you say, 'Oh yeah, now I remember why this didn't work.' Smh.

MDA's offensive philosophy might've taken over the league in recent years, but the guy sucks as a head coach. Scott is stubborn in his ways and so was MDA in that first year. It took him months before he finally accepted the fact that the roster didn't fit his offense and that he had to play to their strengths instead in order to get wins. When he benched Pau in order to start Earl Clark with Howard instead...LOL. That said it all. Things didn't truly turn around for that team until he relinquished his pride. But to his credit, he did it. Now we're waiting on Scott to do the same, if ever. He'll have to at some point this year, otherwise his attempt at being the MDA antithesis will backfire (if not already) and he'll go down as an even worse coach, which would say a lot since everyone couldn't stand MDA (and rightfully so).

During his second year with the roster being so heavily revamped, the players they brought in did fit his system a lot more. But that team was still pretty terrible. The only meaningful difference between that team and Scott's from last year was that they were a little more fun to watch and scored more points. Pringles is the perfect assistant, but shield his buttocks from head chair.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:19 am    Post subject:

ch3cky0selff00 wrote:
Mike D'Antoni was hired too early imo.

"Small ball" hadn't really taken over the NBA as much as it has now.

I think with no Pau, no Dwight, and no Phil Jackson as "the guy the FO chose D'Antoni over" people would be beyond excited at the prospect of D'Angelo Russell, Jordan Clarkson, and Julius Randle being coached by him.

I think he'd be better suited for a young team who was willing to buy into his philosophy rather than a team full of veterans who were stuck in their ways (Kobe, Pau) or thinking they were a post player when they really weren't (Dwight)

He made players like Jodie Meeks, Kent Bazemore, Ryan Kelly, Steve Blake, Jordan Farmar, Nick Young and even Jordan Hill look like above average players.

It's just unfortunate the Lakers couldn't get a good defense minded assistant to go along with D'Antoni


Yeah mDA was fine and was about as good as you can expect to get when you fire a coach during a season and all of the good coaches already had jobs. He was held to the unrealistic standards of what people thought Phil could have done with that team so he never had the support of the fans. They had to move on from him and once the Lakers start to turn the corner, they'll need to move on from Byron.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:34 am    Post subject:

scott is the worst coach we have had. worse than mike brown

please don't even compare him to dantana
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:41 am    Post subject:

They should've ate the Pringles
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:47 am    Post subject:

It would have been interesting last year to see D'antoni run a team with Lin (who's doing decent in his first 2 games as a Hornet), Clarkson, Ed Davis, Wes Johnson and (I guess) Jordan Hill. It would have been fun but probably just a few more wins to take the Lakers out of the Russell pick.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:09 am    Post subject:

Lakers made 3 bad hires since Phil left. It was wrong to hire MDA for start. He managed minutes bad, he never had anything close to a good defense and is stubborn.
Being better than Scott doesn't mean he's a great coach. We sucked in 2014 too, but his team was better to watch than Scott's. I give him that.

As for the new way of playing he started, yes it was revolutionary and nowadays most teams (except Scott and a few others) use it but he may even be forgotten throughout the years cause he never won.
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