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| Curry only had 53 today |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| phlopper is spelt with an f, James. |
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Since inserting Lawson into the starting 5, it's killed the Rockets O.
Harden is suffering worst, because he seems to want to play like a pure SG, just taking as many jumpshots off passes from Lawson as possible. That's not really the type of game Harden or HOU are used to seeing him play. |
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Treble Clef
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| The decision between Curry and Harden depends on where your place importance. Curry was the best player on the best team. Harden was the guy who dealt with the most adversity. |
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Dreamshake
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Since inserting Lawson into the starting 5, it's killed the Rockets O.
Harden is suffering worst, because he seems to want to play like a pure SG, just taking as many jumpshots off passes from Lawson as possible. That's not really the type of game Harden or HOU are used to seeing him play. |
That's not true. Our 1st lost was all about effort. We didn't play with any and a young team kicked our butts. GS mopped us just like they did pre Lawson.
It's gonna take some time to work Lawson in but he's not what's killing us, or the reasons Harden's shot is so off to start the season. I think the break he took in the offseason combined with getting hurt in preseason has more to do with it then anything else. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Since inserting Lawson into the starting 5, it's killed the Rockets O.
Harden is suffering worst, because he seems to want to play like a pure SG, just taking as many jumpshots off passes from Lawson as possible. That's not really the type of game Harden or HOU are used to seeing him play. |
That's not true. Our 1st lost was all about effort. We didn't play with any and a young team kicked our butts. GS mopped us just like they did pre Lawson.
It's gonna take some time to work Lawson in but he's not what's killing us, or the reasons Harden's shot is so off to start the season. I think the break he took in the offseason combined with getting hurt in preseason has more to do with it then anything else. |
So why are they going to lose Game 3 after being up 21? |
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Dreamshake
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| ocho wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Since inserting Lawson into the starting 5, it's killed the Rockets O.
Harden is suffering worst, because he seems to want to play like a pure SG, just taking as many jumpshots off passes from Lawson as possible. That's not really the type of game Harden or HOU are used to seeing him play. |
That's not true. Our 1st lost was all about effort. We didn't play with any and a young team kicked our butts. GS mopped us just like they did pre Lawson.
It's gonna take some time to work Lawson in but he's not what's killing us, or the reasons Harden's shot is so off to start the season. I think the break he took in the offseason combined with getting hurt in preseason has more to do with it then anything else. |
So why are they going to lose Game 3 after being up 21? |
It won't be because Lawson is killing the O.  |
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cmonkee
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Kobe is shooting the 3 better than Harden so far this season:
* Harden: 3-32 (9.4%)
* Kobe: 4-21 (19%)
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Dorray
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| He was 2 for 15 tonight. Off to a very bad start. |
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Rockets: 1st team in NBA history to start season with 3 straight 20-point losses; |
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Dreamshake
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| Dorray wrote: | | He was 2 for 15 tonight. Off to a very bad start. |
Bad is too kind of a word. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | Dorray wrote: | | He was 2 for 15 tonight. Off to a very bad start. |
Bad is too kind of a word. |
Your pals over at ClutchFans are pretty nasty towards Harden right now. I thought we were vicious to our own... |
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How long before a certain Kardashian is enemy #1 at Clutch fans, dream?  |
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Harden is struggling to start this season.
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| did not realize the rockets were struggling this badly. Watch them fire McHale and hire Thibs if this keeps up. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | Harden is struggling to start this season.
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It looks like Harden's shooting really fell off after he bruised his knee in preseason. He was shooting decently before then but he just fell off the cliff after he came back. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | The decision between Curry and Harden depends on where your place importance. Curry was the best player on the best team. Harden was the guy who dealt with the most adversity. |
Best player on the best team should always win. That last win is worth so much more. To illustrate, compare a 25 win season to a 26 win season. There is not much of a difference, basically the same thing. But compare a 69 win season to a 70 win season. That last win makes an astronomical difference. It makes you the second team ever to get 70 wins. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | The decision between Curry and Harden depends on where your place importance. Curry was the best player on the best team. Harden was the guy who dealt with the most adversity. |
Best player on the best team should always win. That last win is worth so much more. To illustrate, compare a 25 win season to a 26 win season. There is not much of a difference, basically the same thing. But compare a 69 win season to a 70 win season. That last win makes an astronomical difference. It makes you the second team ever to get 70 wins. |
I don't believe in any cut and dry formula. If you went with the best player on the team with the most wins, you'd have some poor choices --
Tony Parker over Kevin Durant in 2014
Kevin Garnett over Kobe in 2008
Jermaine O'Neal over Kevin Garnett in 2004
And I am not sure what your point about 70 wins has to do with this. Your formulae is more along the lines that winning 61 games to lead the league is astronomincally better than the next best teams that wins 60 games. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| activeverb wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | The decision between Curry and Harden depends on where your place importance. Curry was the best player on the best team. Harden was the guy who dealt with the most adversity. |
Best player on the best team should always win. That last win is worth so much more. To illustrate, compare a 25 win season to a 26 win season. There is not much of a difference, basically the same thing. But compare a 69 win season to a 70 win season. That last win makes an astronomical difference. It makes you the second team ever to get 70 wins. |
I don't believe in any cut and dry formula. If you went with the best player on the team with the most wins, you'd have some poor choices --
Tony Parker over Kevin Durant in 2014
Kevin Garnett over Kobe in 2008
Jermaine O'Neal over Kevin Garnett in 2004
And I am not sure what your point about 70 wins has to do with this. Your formulae is more along the lines that winning 61 games to lead the league is astronomincally better than winning 60 games. |
70 was chosen because its only been done once before. It is a very significant number in NBA regular seasons. You always hear the juggernaut teams being asked if they can get to 70 wins. If they got to 69 it would be close, but not as spectacular. I chose a large separation to magnify the difference.
If you have a 61 vs a 63 win team, it is pretty close so you look at how many games you think that player helped you win. And all wins are taken at the margin. It wouldn't necessarily be the best player on the best team there, depending on how your analysis went, but as the separation becomes larger, those wins at the margin mean a lot more.
I don't understand what you mean with the 61 vs 60 comment. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | The decision between Curry and Harden depends on where your place importance. Curry was the best player on the best team. Harden was the guy who dealt with the most adversity. |
Best player on the best team should always win. That last win is worth so much more. To illustrate, compare a 25 win season to a 26 win season. There is not much of a difference, basically the same thing. But compare a 69 win season to a 70 win season. That last win makes an astronomical difference. It makes you the second team ever to get 70 wins. |
I don't believe in any cut and dry formula. If you went with the best player on the team with the most wins, you'd have some poor choices --
Tony Parker over Kevin Durant in 2014
Kevin Garnett over Kobe in 2008
Jermaine O'Neal over Kevin Garnett in 2004
And I am not sure what your point about 70 wins has to do with this. Your formulae is more along the lines that winning 61 games to lead the league is astronomincally better than winning 60 games. |
70 was chosen because its only been done once before. It is a very significant number in NBA regular seasons. You always hear the juggernaut teams being asked if they can get to 70 wins. If they got to 69 it would be close, but not as spectacular. I chose a large separation to magnify the difference.
If you have a 61 vs a 63 win team, it is pretty close so you look at how many games you think that player helped you win. And all wins are taken at the margin. It wouldn't necessarily be the best player on the best team there, depending on how your analysis went, but as the separation becomes larger, those wins at the margin mean a lot more.
I don't understand what you mean with the 61 vs 60 comment. |
OK originally you said the best player on the best team should always win. Now you're backtracking on that and you're saying the same thing I did -- there isn't a strict formula, you need to consider a lot of different things. So I think the discussion is over. |
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| eureca wrote: | | Quote: | @ESPNStatsInfo
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HOU's problem has also been not having Dwight. Dwight was suspended for 1st game of season and he was rested vs Miami. They are 0-2 without him, and 1-1 with him, beating a strong OKC team last night. Top it off that Harden has only had 1 good game, and you won't win much without playing with your elite Center especially when you're basically a 2 man team with lots of role players.
HOU's main problem is it's evident that they once again will likely be a playoff team, and a threat, but they don't have the weapons and overall ability to beat GST. They need more moves. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | HOU's problem has also been not having Dwight. Dwight was suspended for 1st game of season and he was rested vs Miami. They are 0-2 without him, and 1-1 with him, beating a strong OKC team last night. Top it off that Harden has only had 1 good game, and you won't win much without playing with your elite Center especially when you're basically a 2 man team with lots of role players.
HOU's main problem is it's evident that they once again will likely be a playoff team, and a threat, but they don't have the weapons and overall ability to beat GST. They need more moves. |
GS looks like a juggernaut in the west. Unless they have injuries hard to see anyone beating them, except maybe San Antonio |
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^^^
We can't use the talent excuse this season. We lost the first 3 games cuz we playing like garbage, Harden especially. Our game vs GS showed that no matter the talent, they play better team ball. They play smarter as a whole, run plays, etc.
It would help to have a PF back but we still need to play better. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | ^^^
We can't use the talent excuse this season. We lost the first 3 games cuz we playing like garbage, Harden especially. Our game vs GS showed that no matter the talent, they play better team ball. They play smarter as a whole, run plays, etc.
It would help to have a PF back but we still need to play better. |
I consider Houston a me-too team. Good enough to get into the second round of the playoffs and maybe the conference finals, but not a serious contender. I think the cream of the west is GS, San Antonio, OK and the Clippers. Houston is pretty much irrelevant unless you are a Houston fan. If you didn't come on here and write about them all the time I would never think of them. |
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